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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: jusanothajoe on January 06, 2013, 02:34:22 PM
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Received my new to me HW97K .20 that I bought off the classifieds. was low mileage with around 50 pellets through it. Mounted a Hawke 4-12X50 with a RWS lockdown mount. Bought a tin of H&N ftt's and a tin of JSB's. Man not a very big selection in .20 She liked the Ftt's right away. first pic is 5 shot group at 35 yrds, .325 CTC. The 97 will give the TX's a run for their money in accuracy. I like to shoot empty shotgun hulls for reactive targets, 2nd pic is one I almost hit in the middle.
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Sweet shooting!
Remember the saying...70% shooter..30% gun
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Sweet shooting!
Remember the saying...70% shooter..30% gun
LOL, not in this case, 90% gun and 2% shooter and 8% luck. The 97 is a Sweeeeeet gun for sure.
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Very nice gun. Mine in .177 seems to like H&N Cudas so far but I've been looking to give the FTT a try. Nice to see your getting that kinda accuracy outta them. Btw, nice shooting.
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Great gun. It'll do you right
Richard
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Try the Beeman FTS. I know it's the same pellet as the FTT but I shoot both in my R9 .20 and the Beeman FTS is more accurate. Don't worry about the lack of selection in .20, all you need is one good pellet
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Nice shooting.
I know a few HW97 owners who prefer the it over the TX and they have owned both.
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I actually own both and my 97K is actually in .20. The FTS shoot at 802 fps (tuned gun) and i have it set up for HFT in days that are too windy to shoot the tx on. The TX is shooting 8.44 jsb at 850 (detuned) but it is PCP accurate... out to 30 yards the TX is surgical... but pushing metal spinners out to 75 yards the TX is pitiful compared to a .20 cal smacking the &^^& out of those metal discs... and for hunting... the HW is a serious plague on our crow population. Love them both...
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I've had my 97 Stainless/synthetic in .177 for approximately a month and am still sorting out pellets. I recently bought 5 tins of pellets in the 10 grain range from different companies. I can consistently shoot 1/2" to 3/4" groups with HN 8.6 FTT's at 25 yards. Most of the time I get 4 nicely together and then I blow it on the fifth. I tried to shoot LW pellets that my FWB 601 likes but the HW shoots them like a scattergun.
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So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?
I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.
Just can't decide!
For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!
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So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?
I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.
Just can't decide!
For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!
It really depends on what you're going to use it for. If you're going to be doing serious FT, then go with the TX. Build quality, the Air Arms has the upper hand as well but to each their own. I don't own an HW underlever but I do have several other Weihrauchs and they can't touch the Brit guns for their build quality. The .20 caliber is nice, but I prefer something more powerful than either of these two underlevers to propel that size pellet. Most FT shooters use .177 for the flatter trajectory and some of the smaller target zones. Like I said, everyone has an opinion but we'll gladly spend your money for you ;D We're really good enablers here!
I say buy both!! ;D ;D
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If they made a TX in .20, I prolly would have bought one. But I am well pleased with the 97K. What I can tell you is both the TX and the 97k are the least hold sensitive guns I have shot, and thats what I needed. I can't hit a bull in the ars with a magnum airgun. I am shooting better groups at 35yrds with the TX's and the 97K, than I could shoot with other guns at 12 yrds. The 97 is a little easier to cock, and has a shorter cocking stroke. You can't go wrong with either of these guns. But the TX's with a walnut stock are just beautiful guns.
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If they made a TX in .20, I prolly would have bought one. But I am well pleased with the 97K. What I can tell you is both the TX and the 97k are the least hold sensitive guns I have shot, and thats what I needed. I can't hit a bull in the ars with a magnum airgun. I am shooting better groups at 35yrds with the TX's and the 97K, than I could shoot with other guns at 12 yrds. The 97 is a little easier to cock, and has a shorter cocking stroke. You can't go wrong with either of these guns. But the TX's with a walnut stock are just beautiful guns.
So this is where I am at as well. I've shot a lot of rifles and while I can handle a magnum springer for hunting duties, I simply don't find them super accurate though - to be fair - much of my hunting ends up at fairly close range due to the foliage/ cover we have here in CT.
I just envision using something where I have a known yardage (laser), and if I do my part - I can simply put rounds consistently on the money.
With either the TX or 97, I'm concerned about the .22 offering providing the possibility of extending my workable range out past 40yds. I'm not sure if one of the tuning options can provide a 17-18fpe .22 option for either rifle??? Ideally I'd prefer .22 but I'm certain with proper shot placement from an accurate rifle - .177 could work fine...
I don't want to derail this thread so if people feel I am, please let me know. I just like that I'm seeing many of you contributing to this thread have or have shot both options in both offerings.
Thanks much for the insight guys!
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my tuned 97K will shoot at 17 fpe with fts pellets and that has being a proven combo out to 50 yards for hunting small game. Crows have been actually taken out to 73 yards (rangefinder confirmed) and to be honest with you I still thought that pellets were over penetrating. I am going to test the crosman .20 cal domes (14.3 gr) to see if they are close to the accuracy desired, an those should prove just as suited as the .22 in about the same weight, but with flatter trajectory. i have used a .22 hw77 at 12 fpe in for hunting and that combo will roll a rabbit at 40 yards all day long... and that was using hobbies at 11.9 gr!!!
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In .22 I would go with a TX, a little more power. In .20 97K is only choice. In .177 you can't go wrong either way. I feel comfortable hunting with my .22 TX, or any of my guns for that matter. but my shots are inside 40 yrds, and I havn't done any longer range shooting. I will tell you if you have never picked these guns up, they are heavy. too heavy for some people, but it doesn't bother me. Are they worth the money ? ............................. YES. and don't worry about derailing this thread, this is what this site is for
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You can't go wrong with a 97 in .20. Don't worry about the selection of pellets in .20 either. I have two .20's and they both like several different pellets.
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as far as weight... I like the my fatty blue laminate HW97k... It is very stable, stable enough to be shot from a bench rest with no problem... With the scope it tips the scales at 11 lb. Not the kind of gun to walk around the woods with. Fot that the Ole trusty RWS 34 .22 will do.
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So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?
I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.
Just can't decide!
For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!
here's one if you are interested.
http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=57178&adSort=&StartingAd=0&NumberOfPages=5 (http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=57178&adSort=&StartingAd=0&NumberOfPages=5)
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Honestly, I love the blue laminate 97 in .20cal. Velocity seems to be a nice compromise between the .177/.22 options. Stock is also really stunning - a little "loud" but really nice. Weight wise, I'm not too worried about handling. I've got some pretty substantial powder burners so this will fit right in...
You guys might have swayed me.... lol I'm not sure. Curious what guys with the TX are seeing for muzzle velocity? Like wise, curious as to what you guys are generating for velocity and what your 97's shooting with the .20's?
Decisions decisions!!! ???
Thanks again for fielding my questions.
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All my guns are stock with less than 500 shots
HW97K .20
H&N FTT's 11.42gr JSB 13.73gr
High - 780 High - 702
Low - 772 Low - 689
Avg - 775 Avg - 694
ES - 8 ES - 13
SD - 2 SD - 3
TX200 .177 I didn't write everything down, all I have is the Avg
H&N FTT's 8.64gr
Avg - 868
TX200 .22
H&N FTT's 14.66gr
Avg - 686
all three running around 14-15 FPE
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Curious what guys with the TX are seeing for muzzle velocity? Like wise, curious as to what you guys are generating for velocity and what your 97's shooting with the .20's?
My TX200HC (.177) is generating 17.4 fpe average so it's really pushing the envelope ;D
Have you visited the TX Fever thread here on the GTA? You should, that might help influence your decision between the two rifles.
The best way to really make up your mind is shoot both. Find both rifles through some GTA members near you and try them out. A lot of us aren't biased here, as you can see several people have both guns and enjoy using them ;)
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Man o man congrats on that shooter! My next springer will be the 97 k with thumbhole stock in 20 cal. If they still make them by the time i break down to buy one. Lol nice shooting too.
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My Tx is pushing 8.44 jsb at 850 fps (as requested on the tune). My HW97K is pushing .20 cal FTS at 802 fps... a cannon.
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Curious what guys with the TX are seeing for muzzle velocity? Like wise, curious as to what you guys are generating for velocity and what your 97's shooting with the .20's?
My TX200HC (.177) is generating 17.4 fpe average so it's really pushing the envelope ;D
Have you visited the TX Fever thread here on the GTA? You should, that might help influence your decision between the two rifles.
The best way to really make up your mind is shoot both. Find both rifles through some GTA members near you and try them out. A lot of us aren't biased here, as you can see several people have both guns and enjoy using them ;)
I haven't seen the TX Fever thread and searching didn't reveal anything either.
Care to point me in the right direction????
Curious what work was done to generate those figures? Pretty serious energy. Would love that in .22!!!
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I've heard of a tuned .22 TX generated over 20fpe! :o
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Curious what guys with the TX are seeing for muzzle velocity? Like wise, curious as to what you guys are generating for velocity and what your 97's shooting with the .20's?
My TX200HC (.177) is generating 17.4 fpe average so it's really pushing the envelope ;D
Have you visited the TX Fever thread here on the GTA? You should, that might help influence your decision between the two rifles.
The best way to really make up your mind is shoot both. Find both rifles through some GTA members near you and try them out. A lot of us aren't biased here, as you can see several people have both guns and enjoy using them ;)
I haven't seen the TX Fever thread and searching didn't reveal anything either.
Care to point me in the right direction????
Curious what work was done to generate those figures? Pretty serious energy. Would love that in .22!!!
Here's the Fever thread
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=39820.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=39820.0)
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Thanks for the heads up!
Some fine looking rifles in there!!! ;)
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I actually own both and my 97K is actually in .20. The FTS shoot at 802 fps (tuned gun) and i have it set up for HFT in days that are too windy to shoot the tx on. The TX is shooting 8.44 jsb at 850 (detuned) but it is PCP accurate... out to 30 yards the TX is surgical... but pushing metal spinners out to 75 yards the TX is pitiful compared to a .20 cal smacking the &^^& out of those metal discs... and for hunting... the HW is a serious plague on our crow population. Love them both...
What tune do you have in yours to get that low numbers?Or did you use heavy pellets for 802 fps? A box stock .20 should shoot 760-800 fps. with 11-11.5gr pellets. My PG2-kitted .20 cal. puts out 855-865 fps with H&N FTT ,11.4gr. All measured at sea level to 80 ft. elev.
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So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?
I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.
Just can't decide!
For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!
It really depends on what you're going to use it for. If you're going to be doing serious FT, then go with the TX. Build quality, the Air Arms has the upper hand as well but to each their own. I don't own an HW underlever but I do have several other Weihrauchs and they can't touch the Brit guns for their build quality. The .20 caliber is nice, but I prefer something more powerful than either of these two underlevers to propel that size pellet. Most FT shooters use .177 for the flatter trajectory and some of the smaller target zones. Like I said, everyone has an opinion but we'll gladly spend your money for you ;D We're really good enablers here!
I say buy both!! ;D ;D
The build quality ,in my book, isnīt measured by the look of the stock nor the deepness/hue of the blueing. That would be the quality of finish and looks. When i say build quality i mean the quality of the parts & craftmanship (tolerances,how well everything fits together) and how things hold up in the long run. The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.
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MY gun (the 97k) shot in the mid 7s when i bought it... if you have one doing 850 its got to be a real hot one. i sent mine out to jan Kraner and i think he used a maccari spring and a sized seal, plus the i think a spacer. but when i got it it shot 815 with FTS and then it finally settled at 802 +-3 fps. real consistent. If i could get that gun up to 850 I would retire the TX. Not sell mind you... but retire it to plinker duty... But i would have to keep that butter like action... if it gets any harsher, even if it magically did 3000 fps, it would be no good.
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Double checked today in cold,cold (below freezing-Swedish winter you know) weather- although the rifle was at room temp -and got an average of 832 fps. I calculated a bit wrong (ftps vs. meters ps) in my first post so that 865 was a bit too enthusiastic figure ;). Now i used a conversion chart and got the 832 av. for 10 shots. A fellow HW97 owner has the same tune (Vortek PG2) in his .22 and he gets an average of 748 ftps with H&N FTT and 761 with Crosman HP. This guy has tried the most in his gun : V-Mach,Maccari etc. and mixed/matched with different kits but his gun shoots best,smoothest and is most quiet with the PG2 in it. So-it seems to be a very good kit in these rifles. Butter smooth but very powerful.
One has no use for power if it canīt be controlled though so i totally agree. I have one of those (a modified Gamo Hunter 890) in .177 and itīs a handful. Canīt hit anything past 40 yrds...
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The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.
Apparently you've never seen a Theoben up close....
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So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?
I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.
Just can't decide!
For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!
It really depends on what you're going to use it for. If you're going to be doing serious FT, then go with the TX. Build quality, the Air Arms has the upper hand as well but to each their own. I don't own an HW underlever but I do have several other Weihrauchs and they can't touch the Brit guns for their build quality. The .20 caliber is nice, but I prefer something more powerful than either of these two underlevers to propel that size pellet. Most FT shooters use .177 for the flatter trajectory and some of the smaller target zones. Like I said, everyone has an opinion but we'll gladly spend your money for you ;D We're really good enablers here!
I say buy both!! ;D ;D
The build quality ,in my book, isnīt measured by the look of the stock nor the deepness/hue of the blueing. That would be the quality of finish and looks. When i say build quality i mean the quality of the parts & craftmanship (tolerances,how well everything fits together) and how things hold up in the long run. The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.
I've only saw AND shot a Diana 34, only held a 48. I OWN a 34 now, sorry but with my very limited experience, the Diana's are not on the same quality level with the AA's. not knocking the Diana's at all, just stating my very humble opinion. And the wood and bluing definitely contributes to the build quality of a gun
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The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.
Apparently you've never seen a Theoben up close....
Really? Iīve seen,hold and shot a couple of them. Theoben is no more though... Bankruptcy or something.
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So for those who've shot both - what the consensus with regards to the TX vs 97?
I'm planning on using my rifle for double duty with a fair amount of small game hunting tied in with some paper work with my kids. I was pretty well set on the TX but love the .20 option for the HW and see posts like this so regularly.
Just can't decide!
For the OP - great to hear your getting along so well with the new rifle. Really beautiful firearm and should serve you very well long term. I see you have quite the collection. Its going to be hard to decide what comes out of the safe!
It really depends on what you're going to use it for. If you're going to be doing serious FT, then go with the TX. Build quality, the Air Arms has the upper hand as well but to each their own. I don't own an HW underlever but I do have several other Weihrauchs and they can't touch the Brit guns for their build quality. The .20 caliber is nice, but I prefer something more powerful than either of these two underlevers to propel that size pellet. Most FT shooters use .177 for the flatter trajectory and some of the smaller target zones. Like I said, everyone has an opinion but we'll gladly spend your money for you ;D We're really good enablers here!
I say buy both!! ;D ;D
The build quality ,in my book, isnīt measured by the look of the stock nor the deepness/hue of the blueing. That would be the quality of finish and looks. When i say build quality i mean the quality of the parts & craftmanship (tolerances,how well everything fits together) and how things hold up in the long run. The AA nor any other Brit brand has nothing on Weihrauch (nor Diana etc.) or any German gun manufacturer in that regard. The TX200 sure looks good and shoots well but it being a better quality than an HW97- donīt think so... JMHO in this matter.
I've only saw AND shot a Diana 34, only held a 48. I OWN a 34 now, sorry but with my very limited experience, the Diana's are not on the same quality level with the AA's. not knocking the Diana's at all, just stating my very humble opinion. And the wood and bluing definitely contributes to the build quality of a gun
Youīre comparing a 34 (nothing bad about the 34 but it ainīt Dianaīs high end rifle) against upper level rifles so it isnīt a fair comparison really. The 54 & 56 on the other hand with the recoilles action and all are a hoot to shoot and very well build.
I still say the build quality is measured in fitment/tolerances of parts and how an item holds in the long run. The blueing and woodwork shows the quality of the finish - ,in my book . We may have to agree to disagree in this matter... 8)
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To lillysdad621
So you got your HW97K back from Jan? Nice! Did he do the trigger as well? I going to Brookhaven tomorrow with my RWS460 and HW97K. Stop by If you have time.
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yeah, I haven't had the pleasure of holding or shooting a 54 or 56. And I'll say that the wood and bluing ADD to the quality, cause if you have an internally cheap and crappy gun with nice wood and bluing..................... it's STILL cheap and crappy LOL
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Of course but the internal parts are the ones that make a gun shoot and either do it good,smooth and accurate or bad, twitchy and inaccurate. The wood/blueing is just the cosmetic part and in all fairness the AA woodwork is pure eye-candy.
Iīm not saying the TX is worse than the HW at all but to say the build quality on Brit made guns is superior to German ones ainīt true. The final touch and finish, in this case,favors the AA (as it truly should mind the pricing) but take those two,put a say 15.000 rounds thru them both without doing any service to neither and see which one is in better shape afterwards. It wonīt be the AA.
Iīd say the Brit cars vs. German made is the same story.
That off my chest i wouldnīt mind owning a TX in .20 at all - in fact iīd have bought one in a heart beat- but since it isnīt available that wonīt happen. I may get a Brit gun (Daystate Huntsman) in .22 this spring so i have nothing against British made guns. Just stating the facts as I see them. Each to their own.
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That is the reason I bought a HW97 in .20 because AA doesn't make a TX in .20.................... but I'm glad now, the HW97 is a joy to shoot ;D 15,000 rounds thru both............... I'll let you know
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Sounds good! The cal .20 is really something. They say (those wise people in-the-know;) itīs the perfect cal. for Theoben HE Gas Ram System too. Too bad the brand is gone. Weihrauch has adapted the system in their HW 90 though so hopefully itīll be further developed for 77/97 range too. A 97K TH walnut stock and SS barrel in .20 with Gas Ram ? Iīll be the first one to order.
I wrote 15.000 rds thru both WITHOUT any service. Are you willing to be the Quinea Pig ?? Didnīt think so ... ;)
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Hereīs something to bling that old bazooka up with : (http://www.airgunbuyer.com/ecommerce/large/access600/ginbbrassguard600.jpg) That and a Rowan Engineering trigger and youīre set. Looks wise ...