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Airguns by Make and Model => Benjamin Airguns => Topic started by: trslayer on October 26, 2010, 02:44:36 PM
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Just joined this morning. I would personally like to thank everyone for their posts on the NPSS, It really helped to narrow my search for a new air rifle. I recently ordered one from PyramidAir in the .177. It arrived last week and needless to say I was impressed with the initial appearance, feel, and overall function. Unfortunately, after putting about 400 pellets of various weights and brands through it, the accuracy was less than adequate for my taste. I have been shooting air rifles for almost 30 years and I not only know how to shoot, but I also know how one should shoot. I was able to half way sight it in and then noticed that the scope that came on it had issues. Sometimes it would take about a dozen clicks to get the cross-hairs to move. I then went to the gun safe and broke out my spare Leupold VX3/4.5-14x50 and mounted it. This fixed the adjustment problem, but it did not do anything for accuracy. My test range was between 15 to 20 yards and the group sizes ranged anywhere from 1.5 to over 3 inches. I continued to read any and all posts on this website on the NPSS and finally decided to call Pyramid and get them to take this one back and send another in .22 cal.
I was happy with the tech support end of things, but I did run into trouble authorizing the return. The first lady I talked to said that she would issue a FedEx label since the gun appeared to be defective and they would get me the .22 cal ASAP, but I never received the label. So, I called back this morning and got someone who wasn't as pleasant to deal with. She informed me that if their people tested the rifle and found it to be OK that I was responsible for both the shipping and a restocking fee even though I was trading it in for another from them.
I am looking forward to getting the new one in. From reading several of your posts, it seems that most are very happy with the gun. The best thing though, it is made in the USA!!!
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Welcome to GTA Forums. Glad you found us and joined this merry bunch of airgun addicts. :)
The NPSS is a very good gun but like any other, there can be duds in the bunch. From your description, I would have suggested shooting a few different rounds through it to see if any others would group better. All of my airguns will shoot CPHP quite well but other guns prefer a diet of certain rounds. A major part of the airgun journey is finding the right gun to suit your shooting style and then finding the right ammo to feed the gun. When this all comes together, it's SWEET. ;D
Hope you have better luck with the .22 version when it arrives. Be sure to post pictures and keep us informed on how you are getting acquainted with it. Again, welcome.
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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Thanks for the info. I am looking at several different brands and weights of pellets and intend on trying them all. Quick question though. I saw a post by CharlieDaTuna on pellet weights to stay away from. I believe for the .22 caliber he did not recommend going over 15.0 gr because it would shorten the life of the spring and eventually damage the gun. Is the the case for the nitro piston guns also? I was wanting to lean toward a heavier pellet if possible say 16-18 gr. range, but I don't want to hurt the gun.
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Sounds like you've been doing your homework. I wish you the best with a new gun. Crosman themselves might be an option if the dealer wants to play hardball.
You may have seen these common items elsewhere:
Pivot pin bushings, some replace with bronze.
Crown may benefit from a polish- remove shroud and inspect.
Possible seal damage- best clue without disassembly would be low or inconsistent velocities, if you have access to a chrony.
I found mine really likes Beeman FTS, although Crosman Hollow Points did very well, too. Standard Premiers were so-so. I am only at about 200 shots and while I think it could be grouping better, it is certainly doing better than 3" at 20 yards. It's least favorites (like Superdomes) are on the order of 1.5".
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Welcome to the GTA!!! Hope it work's out for you. Just saw your next post an yes the NP's give you a much wider range of pellet weight's to use.
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Yeah, as the guys say, you have a wider variety of ammo you can use with the NPSS. The issue with too light or too heavy pellet in a springer is the spring. It can and will be damaged or broken if you use the wrong weight ammo. With the nitrogen piston/gas spring/RAM, you don't have that worry. But you would still have some concerns with an NP equipped gun using very light weight ammo. It could cause the piston to slam the end of the chamber a bit hard and could cause damage to the main seal. With a .22, I'd start with 14.3gr and work your way up and see how the gun performs. I have an XL1100 I have set it up for H&N Crow Magnum 18.2gr and my RAM converted SS dialed in with 16gr Predator rounds. But the XL has quite a bit more power than the NPSS. I would suggest staying between 14-16gr ammo.
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I have two NPSS .177's and they love H&N FTS 8.64 gn pellets. I think they are the same as the Beeman FTS ones. Dave is right about pellet selection. You can take two same air guns and both can like different pellets.
Generally you will not know which pellets are best until the barrel is seasoned. I use cheap pellets until my new barrels are seasoned. Generally around 500 shots or so.
Best of luck.
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Chiming in here for what it's worth, I use the JSB Match Diabolo Exact .177 Cal, 8.4 Grains, in my .177 NPSS; anything else just wants to fail, including the Crosman premiers (heavies and lights), H&N Barracudas, R-10's or anything else I tried.
It took a good 500 pellets or so thru the gun for it to finally settle down and start giving good groups. Though I have to say, I'm no where near as happy with the gun in general as are most people who post about it.
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I think you will really like the NPSS in .22 cal. I have one and it shoots great. I like it so much, that I have another one on the way.
It likes H&N FTT pellets the best and is really a joy to shoot.
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I think you will really like the NPSS in .22 cal. I have one and it shoots great. I like it so much, that I have another one on the way.
It likes H&N FTT pellets the best and is really a joy to shoot.
One for each hand? I like my 22 NPSS but think it should be a little more accurate than it is but I still think it may need more time. Sure is a fun gun to shoot.
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One for each hand?
Yea, I figured if I get another NPSS, it will look identical to my other one and my wife won't know I bought a new airgun. I just can't have both of them out at the same time :-)
Keep at it Chortdraw, and it should prove to be a good shooter.
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With my .22 NPSS, I had a week or two of frustration with accuracy until I noticed the pivot bolt was not fully tightened. I replaced the plastic washers with brass and tightened her down good. Accuracy dramatically improved. I also polished the crown on the barrel and the lead-in in the breech - not sure if that made any difference or not. This weekend I did a trigger job and that helped some as well. I found a great deal of difference in accuracy with different pellets. Mine likes JSB Exact Jumbo pellets. I haven't shot a group lately, but it seems deadly accurate at 30 yards which is about as much room as I have to shoot. Sometime soon I will replace the piston seal and that may help a little as well. The main things on my rifle that I fixed to get her to shoot were the loose pivot bolt and finding the right pellet.
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+1 on the breech washers.
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Thanks for all of the info guys. Everyone here has been great and all posts have been extremely helpful. I will let everyone know when it arrives. Nov. 5th can't get here quick enough.
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*cough* *cough* For me, November 2nd can't get here quick enough. ;)