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Airguns by Make and Model => Cometa Airguns => Topic started by: 2nd RCHA on August 26, 2012, 09:16:56 AM
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Hey there Gent's, I just finished tuning my last Cometa, a Fusion Premier in .22, and it's shooting Beautifully now, and all I did was give it a good cleaning, lube, and changed the mainspring to a Crosman Quest 1000(just like my other 2 Cometa's), I'm getting low 900's,910-920 or so(which is what the factory specs are for these models). I'm wondering what other Cometa owners out there are getting with their shooters which have their original springs in them.The 3 Cometas I have now are all in .22, I'm thinking of getting a Fenix 400 Premier in .177, What kind of numbers should I expect, I figure judging by what I'm getting in .22, I should see numbers in and around 1100-1200 fps @ the muzzle, but that's all paper, I'd like to hear some real world numbers,,So, Please post some numbers for me,, I'd also like to say that these guns really like H&N pellets, I tried JSB,AirArms, Crosman Premiers, RWS,Kovohute(which came in second), and Gamo Magnums, and they all didn't group as well as the H&N's,,Siverpoint's, Baracuda Match, Field Targets, and Spitzkugeln's came out on top, on paper and in the chrono.Anyway's, Thank's Guy's,,and I hope to see some numbers, and see what kind of pellets your Cometas like. Cheer's, Andy
P.S.,,,I alway's add 3-4 drops of my secret pellet lube to all my pellet tins(It's actually "Wynn's Metal Oil", ;D, It does wonders,,and makes cleaning a snap ;)
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hi
just bought myself a Cometa Fusion .177 so was hoping to get some reliable info myself, all the research I did says that the 177 should be hitting the 980 -1085 range, but can not confirm that as i have not been able to crono it as yet.(if anyone could help out with some working info i would also appreciate it) ;D
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A rough ball park number would go like this..
Take the velocity you are getting, with that pellet (did not state what gr.)
Take the fpe # you get from chairgun and subtract 2fpe as base.
If all calibers had the same spring and internals then it would roughly go like this....177 15fpe... .22 17fpe...25 19fpe.
Identical parts went in to my 34's... .177 14.7 fpe .22 16.3 fpe.. almost 2 fpe gain
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A rough ball park number would go like this..
Take the velocity you are getting, with that pellet (did not state what gr.)
Take the fpe # you get from chairgun and subtract 2fpe as base.
If all calibers had the same spring and internals then it would roughly go like this....177 15fpe... .22 17fpe...25 19fpe.
Identical parts went in to my 34's... .177 14.7 fpe .22 16.3 fpe.. almost 2 fpe gain
sorry :P I am using JSB Ultra shock heavy .177 cal 4.5mm 0.67 gr/ 10.3 grains
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A rough ball park number would go like this..
Take the velocity you are getting, with that pellet (did not state what gr.)
Take the fpe # you get from chairgun and subtract 2fpe as base.
If all calibers had the same spring and internals then it would roughly go like this....177 15fpe... .22 17fpe...25 19fpe.
Identical parts went in to my 34's... .177 14.7 fpe .22 16.3 fpe.. almost 2 fpe gain
sorry :P I am using JSB Ultra shock heavy .177 cal 4.5mm 0.67 gr/ 10.3 grains
Thanks bro,
But was meaning,2nd RCHA.
He indicated a speed for his .22, but did not indicate a weight for the pellet.
Get the fpe of the .22, and the fpe of the .177 should be about 2 fpe lower. Then chairgun can tell what the ball park velocity for the .177 would be.
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ARE Cometas available in the US? the 400 model looks nice.
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Hey Guy's,,Thank's for responding, and Welcome aboard ShadowRaider. Here's a list of the pellets, their weight, and how they performed on the chrono @ the muzzle.
H&N SilverPoint's @ 17.13gr,.@ 918fps(average 10 shot's)
H&N Field Target's @ 16.36gr,.@ 912fps(average 10 shot's)
H&N Baracuda Match @ 21.14 gr,./5.52@ 888fps(average 10 shot's)
H&N Coppa-Point's @ 16.05gr,.@922fps(10 shot's average)
H&N FTT's @ 14.97gr,.@ 924fps(10 shot average)
H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme @ 19.09gr,.@ 895fps(10 shot average)
H&N Baracuda Green's @ 12.35 gr,. @ 1059fps ;D(10shot average)
Crosman Premier Domes @ 14.3gr,.@ 910fps(average 10 shot's)
Daisy Field Point's @ 14gr,. @ 918fps (10 shot average),,I must add, that these aren't the "Daisy's" you shot as a kid, even a while back, Over the last couple yrs Daisy has changed their pellet design, Gone is the overly soft, overly graphiteized , mis-shapened pellet, These are now very similar in their skirt design to Crosman Premeir's with a nice slope from skirt to head, and it seems that a little more antimony is being used as they're quite a bit harder than the old design, and they give great groupings, 10 shot's @ 20M produce one big hole that can be covered by a "Loonie"(our 1 Dollar Coin)(about the size of the old US 50cent pieces), and they're nice and shiny now, no more black fingers 8).
I could add a few more, but my arms getting a little sore after all this shooting, anyways you get the general idea of how this weapon perform's, If theres anything I left out, just let me know. Thank's, and Cheer's, Andy.
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This puts those guns into the RWS 350 mag class.
The .22 that 2nd RCHA has is generating 26 fpe...that would put the .177 around the 21 fpe mark.
I say 21 cause that is where the 350 .177 sits, when owners of the .22 say they are getting 26 fpe from there guns.
You're talking 930-940 with 10.3 gr JSB .177 heavies.
Or 930ish with crosman premiers 10.5 gr.
That is some serious lead slinging, cause my 350 slings some serious lead ;D
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ARE Cometas available in the US? the 400 model looks nice.
A few months ago I emailed these guys below and they confirmed several times in English and in Spanish that there weren't any issues with them shipping air rifles to the US. I've always been interested in a Cometa 400 Compact in .25 cal. Other than that I've read that a US dealer is in the process of setting up.
http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/cometa-airguns/co2rifles-cometa-star400pellets300.asp?product=400-compact-star (http://www.aceros-de-hispania.com/cometa-airguns/co2rifles-cometa-star400pellets300.asp?product=400-compact-star)
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ARE Cometas available in the US? the 400 model looks nice.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,33231.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,33231.0.html)
I have been in contact with Airforce and as yet they have no inventory....as for Aceros....they can not ship anything to the U.S. with a moderator....I have spoken with them this week and that's all they will say.
RL in Canada= Zip- Nothing with Moderators In the Country and they will not ship anything to the U.S. not even a breech seal.
Just hold back and wait too see how the Airforce gig unfolds.
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@Andy
Things like what you did there are what make this forum great. I don't have a Cometa and will probably never own one, but I like learning and read this thread.
I guess I'm just trying to say, it's very cool of you to chrony all of those pellet types for someone, and the HUGE amount of typing involved.
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PA now sells Cometa :)
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PA now sells Cometa :)
Beat me to it!
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PA is pre-order. none in stock. i wonder what the stock guns are shooting. the 400 seems to be = to an rws34 from what i've been able to find.
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Airscopes had a couple for sale a while back. Also Pamona and American-armscorp have them listed. Has anyone dealt with this suppliers? Another question how are the triggers on the spring rifles.
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ARE Cometas available in the US? the 400 model looks nice.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,33231.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,33231.0.html)
I have been in contact with Airforce and as yet they have no inventory....as for Aceros....they can not ship anything to the U.S. with a moderator....I have spoken with them this week and that's all they will say.
Strange, must be something really recent, my buddy had me call and email them about 2 months ago, he wasn't sure they were understanding his English, they confirmed they could and would ship a 400 compact in .22 to him. After talking and confirming with them and assuring my buddy he went and placed the order, he received the order and shipping confirmation (credit card was charged). He ended up canceling the Cometa order because he found a mint UK Stingray Carbine in .22 locally.
He was bent on getting a Cometa and before going through Aceros he called Panoma and was told that they don't stock them, an email to American-Armscorp was never returned.
The 400 Compact in .25 really interests me. Great to see Pyramid is carrying the line. I think Airscopes only had 220's left.
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What's really nice to see is how the interest in this Spanish Beauty, or should I say Line of Beauties:) has pickin' up. I'm glad something other than GAMO is coming across the pond, But I did notice that P/A isn't carrying their "Premeir" line-up, I wonder if they want to see what the demand is like first. I'd like to see Cappelo do a show featuring either the "Fusion", or the "Fenix", I own both, and they're both wonderful. I'd have to say the barrel's match, even rival Lothar Walther barrel's in terms of craftsmanship, eye of detail, design, and material, The Fusion Premeir has a "full" length barrel, but when you take off the "air-stripper" and look down you'll see about 6" of tube before the barrel really start's ???, so in actuality the "rifled" barrel's only about 14" long,much like the "compact" version ::). Anyway's,,It makes for one very accurate, and powerful shooter. I have one question though, It's regarding the "air-stripper" it self. It's 1/2" UNF, Does that mean if I find something else thats 1/2" UNF, like another type of "air-stripper" can i just un-screw one, and screw on the other?. Thank's, and Cheer's, Andy.
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According to the numbers listed on PA these rifles seem to be little power houses ;D
I am very interested in that Fusion for sure. May have to get a project springer gun for sure. But a few more "C" notes I know I can have a Weihrauch with trusted performance.....................the dilemmas we constantly face! :D
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Just in case, Anyone would like to know a little about Cometa, and it's operation,These guy's have apparently been around since 1874. Cheer's, Andy.
http://www.cometaairgun.com/en/cometa_presentacion.html (http://www.cometaairgun.com/en/cometa_presentacion.html)
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Hey Guy's,,Thank's for responding, and Welcome aboard ShadowRaider. Here's a list of the pellets, their weight, and how they performed on the chrono @ the muzzle.
H&N SilverPoint's @ 17.13gr,.@ 918fps(average 10 shot's)
H&N Field Target's @ 16.36gr,.@ 912fps(average 10 shot's)
H&N Baracuda Match @ 21.14 gr,./5.52@ 888fps(average 10 shot's)
H&N Coppa-Point's @ 16.05gr,.@922fps(10 shot's average)
H&N FTT's @ 14.97gr,.@ 924fps(10 shot average)
H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme @ 19.09gr,.@ 895fps(10 shot average)
H&N Baracuda Green's @ 12.35 gr,. @ 1059fps ;D(10shot average)
Crosman Premier Domes @ 14.3gr,.@ 910fps(average 10 shot's)
Daisy Field Point's @ 14gr,. @ 918fps (10 shot average),,I must add, that these aren't the "Daisy's" you shot as a kid, even a while back, Over the last couple yrs Daisy has changed their pellet design, Gone is the overly soft, overly graphiteized , mis-shapened pellet, These are now very similar in their skirt design to Crosman Premeir's with a nice slope from skirt to head, and it seems that a little more antimony is being used as they're quite a bit harder than the old design, and they give great groupings, 10 shot's @ 20M produce one big hole that can be covered by a "Loonie"(our 1 Dollar Coin)(about the size of the old US 50cent pieces), and they're nice and shiny now, no more black fingers 8).
I could add a few more, but my arms getting a little sore after all this shooting, anyways you get the general idea of how this weapon perform's, If theres anything I left out, just let me know. Thank's, and Cheer's, Andy.
Can you please inform us about the chronograph you were using (brand, type) during these tests? I like Cometa air rifles (I do own an old modell 200 in 0.177" cal) and always look forward to find informations about them. The numbers posted are very satisfactory but here lies my doubt. In other posts from various airgun forums the power output of these Cometa's in 0.22" cal. (both 400 Fenix and Fusion) are presented significantly lower, in the 16-18-20 ftlbs level (with well known lead pellets of the market). The power level of your Cometa Fusion seems to lie between 32-37 ftlbs, are you sure about the velocity numbers?
Forgive me for asking but this is either extraordinary efficiency (the one we all pray for) or wrong measurements (chronograph errors) or (the worst scenario) dieseling effect from wrong lubrication.
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One of the reasons I started this thread was because I wanted to see what other Cometa owners out there were getting with their "Stock" models, as You can see in my thread I clearly stated that I had replaced my mainsprings with ones that are from/for "Crosman Quest 1000", The chrono I have and use is Combro Mk4, which has supplied me with reliable, consistant data for quite a few years now, and have faith in it's information. I don't appreciate being called a lier, even if it is in a roundabout way.Cheer's, Andy.
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One of the reasons I started this thread was because I wanted to see what other Cometa owners out there were getting with their "Stock" models, as You can see in my thread I clearly stated that I had replaced my mainsprings with ones that are from/for "Crosman Quest 1000", The chrono I have and use is Combro Mk4, which has supplied me with reliable, consistant data for quite a few years now, and have faith in it's information. I don't appreciate being called a lier, even if it is in a roundabout way.Cheer's, Andy.
I read all your posts in this topic with great attention and noticed every detail. Besides changing the spring with another one you also mentioned that you use to lubricate your pellets with "Wynn’s Metal Oil" :
P.S.,,,I alway's add 3-4 drops of my secret pellet lube to all my pellet tins(It's actually "Wynn's Metal Oil", ;D, It does wonders,,and makes cleaning a snap ;)
I don't know the exact composition of this specific oil but if it is a oil byproduct chances are to be ignitable under pressure this leading to dieseling.
I was almost certain that such a situation might occur but there seems to be a misunderstanding here. Nobody called someone a liar or even hinted such a thing. I was only astonished by reading these numbers and all I did was to express my question. I don't know if you made any search in the internet for posts, reviews or videos about the Cometa Fusion velocities, try a bit and you will see that the numbers are somehow different. In conclusion when you post test results in public you always must be ready for possible arguments.
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You know something buddy, I've done, and seen way too much of what this big, blue marbles all about to get into a ^*%$#@ contest here with you. Those are the numbers, take it or leave it.
As for other contributors to this thread, Thank's for writing in, I really appreciate the info, Cheer's, Andy.
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You know something buddy, I've done, and seen way too much of what this big, blue marbles all about to get into a ^*%$#@ contest here with you. Those are the numbers, take it or leave it.
As for other contributors to this thread, Thank's for writing in, I really appreciate the info, Cheer's, Andy.
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Anger is a very bad advisor on any occasion.
There is no need for such an aggression to take place here. I regret to see that something which started as a civilised discussion turns into a fight.
For my part there is nothing else to be said. Enjoy your rifles and hopefully some day you will have the data you asked for.
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The Cometa Fusion .22 over here in Bulgaria states that the velocity is 902 fps at the muzzle,obviously it doesn't tell you what pellets that was recorded with.
So looking at the figures given,it's very likely with a good tune,the Cometa Fusion .22 could easily reach the quoted figures,that's if the quoted figures are true from the Cometa company themselves.
I considered buying one,but over here they are far more expensive than the Hatsans,although I must say,they do look a nice quality gun
Steve. ;)
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Thank's for the post,,,,If you're looking for a great airgun, then look no further than Cometa, These gun's are power-houses, In my Fenix 400 Deluxe, I'm still sending Baracudas Down range with a nice sonic crack,,Thats 18+gr,..WoW!!. When I first got them, I found them to be a little under-powered, but a simple spring change sends them through the roof(Crosman Quest 1000's), which really surprised me, since a Crosman Quest 1000 in .22 usually produces around 800fps with a 14.3gr Crosman Dome., So, I don't know, could be a stronger/stiffer spring than what the stock Cometas are coming equipped with, at least I know that's the case here in Canada. I would imagine that it depends on where you're located in this world. Cheers, Andy.
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Just saying it as I see it advertised over here in Bulgaria.I'm a Brit now living over here,and I do enjoy the freedom that is given to airgunners.
Wanting a .25 now,and Cometa don't do one in that caliber as far as I know...never mind.
Cheers.
Steve
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Cometas do .25,, http://www.cometaairgun.com/en/cometa_carabinas_400p.html (http://www.cometaairgun.com/en/cometa_carabinas_400p.html) , Their "Fenix" line-up has a beautiful .25 in their "Premier" offerings,,,It looks exactly like my .22 Fenix 400 Premier, Too Bad, I can't get one here,,But I think you'd be able to get them over in the UK quite easily. Cheer's, Andy.
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Thanks for that Andy,only trouble is,I don't live in the uk,I live in Bulgaria.
In the uk I would need an fac "fire arms certificate",license and they are not easy to come by.Even if I could order one in Bulgaria,by the time they put the shipping costs,and more extra profit for the dealers,it would be too expensive... :(
The rifle does look very nice though.
Steve.