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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: miro on August 07, 2012, 05:50:06 AM
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I have never had a spring pistol, I wanted it a long time, but somehow all was not to that, сo2 used, but decided now - I will take it :) Pistol like, the quality of the materials is high, the assembly of good (but not excellent, there is a cross backlash of safety trigger and microbacklash of shutter when open). But what impressed me most was... inconvеnient handle :( I planing to do wood grips, to make the handling more vertical, and shoulder stock :)
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Great "Big" pistols. Have had a Beeman P-1 (Hw45) for near 25 years.
** Commercially made COLT 1911 and its clones grips fit right on that frame BTW ;)
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Hello Cossack, nice piece. I understand they shoot pretty strong also.
It looks about the size of the .45 Colt. I tried to shoot one of those things once and couldn't hit a barn door from 25 yards! ;D It kicked like a mule too.
Even this HW 45 would give me a hard time, but I think with some kind shoulder bracing like you mentioned it would be lots of fun.
Congrats on your choice.
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Thanx, guys :)
** Commercially made COLT 1911 and its clones grips fit right on that frame BTW ;)
Scott, maybe its strange, but im turn grips upside-down, then there is
a wide part on the up, I feel so
comfortable.
And the handle of the original Colt 1911 I can see only in my dream ;)
It looks about the size of the .45 Colt. I tried to shoot one of those things once and couldn't hit a barn door from 25 yards! ;D It kicked like a mule too.
;D
Rob, I try to shot on full power
and discover a diesel, as of the big truck, black and stinky. I'm going to shoot some a hundred shots in low power and I think diesel will pass.
Thanks again, ATB
Now Im Barrel Cocker, yahoooo! :)
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ive always wanted a hw-45 they look so nice . like my 1911
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It is documented that extended 1/2 cock shooting of the HW 45 can reduce overall velocity by about 10%, as the seal changes shape. Apparently the seal needs to slam into the end of the compression tube to maintain it's seat to the tube, and the low power use is not enough oomph to accomplish this. The remedy is judicious dry fire until the velocity returns to spec. I have recent first hand experience with this; I purchased a (an?) HW45 with a disclosed low velocity condition. Chrony results verified this. A few dry fires brought it right up to spec where it shoots now. I will not shoot mine on 1/2 cock at all because of this phenomenon. Your mileage may vary, tk
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Is that phenomenon due to the spring taking a set at the halfcock position? Dry firing a spring gun sounds like suicide for the piston seal but if that's what it takes to get the motor going again, so be it. I've never heard of this before on the P1/HW45 ???
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It is documented that extended 1/2 cock shooting of the HW 45 can reduce overall velocity by about 10%, as the seal changes shape. Apparently the seal needs to slam into the end of the compression tube to maintain it's seat to the tube, and the low power use is not enough oomph to accomplish this. The remedy is judicious dry fire until the velocity returns to spec. I have recent first hand experience with this; I purchased a (an?) HW45 with a disclosed low velocity condition. Chrony results verified this. A few dry fires brought it right up to spec where it shoots now. I will not shoot mine on 1/2 cock at all because of this phenomenon. Your mileage may vary, tk
Actually that information is INCORRECT ..... HW45's have 2 sear catch points by design. This only changes the piston stroke and nothing else.
First catch at 1/2 cock is @ 350 fps in .177
Second at full cock is @ 600 fps in .177
* Difference is actually @ 40% between High and Low cocking positions
If your gun will NOT fire on low power your Cup seal likely is damaged and guns in need of servicing.
There is NO tricky seal dynamics going on as you are thinking is going on ...
You NEVER FIRE A SPRING GUN DRY WITH NO PELLET ..... Absolutely NEVER !!
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You NEVER FIRE A SPRING GUN DRY WITH NO PELLET ..... Absolutely NEVER !!
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Words of Wisdom Right there folks!!!
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no DRY FIREING OF SPRING GUNS PERIOD if its in such a shape tear it down n fix it . i had a very nice d-34 handed to me a guy bought at an auction that wouldnt hardly shoot a pellet out the barrel. we discovered the auctioneer and his helpers fired it dry several times like mabe 100 as it "was fun didnt know it would hurt it" and sorry its yours now . it ruined the piston n seal but we got a new 1 in and he is happy , bad part he bought it right if it hadent been abused . when fixed a new 1 was just a few $$$ more and a very few at that
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I myself cringe at the thought of dry firing a spring gun. The piston seal would slam so hard it gives me the creeps just thinking about it. :o
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I agree about dry firing spring guns as that is a known nono. A little research will prove out what I mentioned regarding dry firing the HW45/P1. Apparently they do it at the factory, or are supposed to, to seat the seal before new guns are shipped. Has something to do with the seal composition. I did not make this up, and the procedure worked on my HW 45, which now has at least 500 pellets through it at factory spec, 550-560 fps. It was shooting 490 when I got it. When it needs tearing down I will tear it down. I will try and go back and find a link to this info; I recently had a complete virus attack and lost all my saved searches. tk
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https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/05/beeman-p1hw45-air-pistol/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/05/beeman-p1hw45-air-pistol/)
Here is one link from 2007; there were more on the yellow, tk
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https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/05/beeman-p1hw45-air-pistol/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/05/beeman-p1hw45-air-pistol/)
Here is one link from 2007; there were more on the yellow, tk
Interesting article, I remember reading it a while back and was shocked about the dry firing.
My Webley is one of those rifles with the PTFE seals in it. I was told it lasts much, much longer than the other types of seals.
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Yes, I understand that is true. I read of one HW45 owner that had 30k estimated pellets fired, seven breech seals replaced, yet the original piston seal. Apparently it does not have a lip, just a big hunk of seal. Thanx for not being a NEVER guy, Nikoman. Wish I could find everything I saved regarding the HW; there was one exhaustive link, tybatel or something like that. If I come across it I will forward to you... oh well, tk
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http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers/ (http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers/)
Here is a wonderful resource page for the HW 45 and a couple others, enjoy, tk
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Guys, thanks for interesting discussion :)
I read a few topics about this pistol on local forums, a lot of times met recommendation disassemble the gun immediately after the purchase and remove excess grease from compressor, or even replace the grease for constant-velocity joint grease. But I can't disassemble a gun, without damaging its appearance ;) so I will shoot until diesel will gone.
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The dieseling should be gone after a couple of tins. Most of my guns stopped doing it after 1-2 tins, the gas ram guns did it a little less. Each gun is different...
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Great pistol, I had two of these (sold both for financial reasons) a regular in .177 and Silver Star in .20. They take time to learn to shoot so don't give up. You can buy all three common caliber barrels for them for cheap - I've read that there were a few .25 caliber barrels available as well too. A factory wood shoulder stock is available (I think it's ugly & heavy though) but am sure a machinist can make you a wire type stock just like those you see on Crosmans 13xx's. I had a set of VZ slim grips and Hogue rubber grips for my regular HW45 and had a Burris Fast Fire 2 red dot on my Silver Star. Some guys go as far as putting scopes on them. My .20 shot smoother than the .177 and I hear that the .22 shoots the smoothest and is the most efficient ft/lb wise. The .177 and .20 were very accurate (for me) out to 35 feet with open sights and red dot. I did catch a squirrel once with the .20 at about 18 feet, it was dead before it hit the ground.
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My .177 took a squirrel as well recently, from a measured 10 yds. The pesky devil had been trashing the yard below a big pine tree with pine cone droppings and cores. Got him right behind the ear and he dropped instantly. Great guns, tk
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My idea - to weld under a barrel the slat of Weaver for mounting a laser or flashlight, but changes will be irreversible and I`m in meditation. Guys, that do you think about it?
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My idea - to weld under a barrel the slat of Weaver for mounting a laser or flashlight, but changes will be irreversible and I`m in meditation. Guys, that do you think about it?
Please don`t do it ......no,no,no!! :o; it`s a classic ,well balanced air pistol not a M4 ,why not treat it to a decent set of Hogue grips like I did on my first HW45?;this will make more "your" pistol, without changing it`s feel and balance
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NOOOOOOOOOO, GAAA, tk
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OK, I will not weld it (better mount it by screw ;) ).
But at first I will finish with the grips.
Thanks, atb
Vadym
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OK, I will not weld it (better mount it by screw ;) ).
But at first I will finish with the grips.
Thanks, atb
Vadym
Vadym;Show us some pictures when you complete this project.
Regards
Kenny.
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And how are you going to mount the Weaver rail with one or more screws? If you have to drill and tap the frame for screws you have then irrevocably altered the pistol. IMHO, this project is a mistake with this pistol. Why not use a pistol that already comes with rails for mounting?
I volunteer to hold your HW45 for safekeeping while you reconsider this project. ;D
Eric
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And how are you going to mount the Weaver rail with one screw?
It is possible. There already there is a screw which the compressor fixes, it is possible to put on it (I already tried, but it was untwisted after several tens shots).
IMHO, this project is a mistake with this pistol. Why not use a pistol that already comes with rails for mounting?
What the pistol? Any of Ballspiters? :D I dont know any springer or single-stroke model with rail...
I volunteer to hold your HW45 for safekeeping while you reconsider this project. ;D
Good idea :D
Vadym;Show us some pictures when you complete this project.
OK.
But it will be not soon, to send to Eric and back, it is not so simple :) For while Eric will keep my gun, I will think up still something: very much I like this gun on a construction, but it seems to me that it is a little obsolete on design, there are some ideas how to nearer it to Browning HP35 (yes, its a heresy and mockery for American legend :) but think it will be good for crank user like me :D).
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Your "hobbyist" installation of the weaver rail may not be well received should you decide to sell the HW45 later. Or, it may be viewed as a fabulous new feature. One more uncertainty to consider. BTW, the screw you mention is used to hold the compression tube according to Todd Coopers excellent review. I would be hesitant to mess with it. For more excellent HW45 info, see:
http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers/HW45Review/review.html (http://my.tbaytel.net/coopers/HW45Review/review.html)
Eric
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Eric, the subsequent sale it not a big problem, I took the gun for $360 with discont, the normal price of it about $400 so at sale I in any case will lose about ~$50, but it is no more, if the gun is serviceable inside, and inside Its not be injuried, changes only the external.
Certainly I read Todd Cooper's review, as well as many other reviews and threads at forums, but anywhere didn't meet radical changes of a design, all only praise, shoot, and then sell as is, without changes. Than my researches I will end I do not know, but if it I don't make that anybody, and so not interestingly :) For example I am irritated very much by absence of groove for a middle finger under a bracket, like on all modern pistols...
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Vadym,
I understand your frustration. But, in defense of the pistol, it's not supposed to be "modern", it does its job by having the grip of a 1911.
Good luck with the project.
Eric
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Vadym,
I understand your frustration. But, in defense of the pistol, it's not supposed to be "modern", it does its job by having the grip of a 1911.
Good luck with the project.
Eric
Couldn`t agree more with you Eric; the P1/HW45 was a work of genius and the 1911 design that inspired it may not be "modern", but it is still relevent; Sig Saur alone have over 30 1911 varients in their current product line; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9-Kdu6wVDY&feature=plcp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9-Kdu6wVDY&feature=plcp)
If it ain`t broke ,don`t fix it!!
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Vadym,
BTW, I note that you only seem to be interested in a springer or single stroke pneumatic pistol pellet pistol. If you consider CO2, there are several pellet and BB pistols that come with rails for accessory attachments. Just in case you want to reconsider your choice of powerplant.
Eric
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Too late, guys, I already made irreversible changes :) But in stages: after my two last trainings I noticed trouble - I was hurt strongly by a middle finger, only don't laugh, but there really there was a callosity. I investigated the handle and found a strange crest under a bracket of the trigger which disturbed me. I compared the handle HW45 and a Colt1911 and found out that under a finger the Colt has no crest. The decision it to cut off (the photo I will post later when I will reach my the camera) was as a result made. Now the gun holds in a hand much more conveniently :)
Tuning proceeds...
If you consider CO2, there are several pellet and BB pistols that come with rails for accessory attachments. Just in case you want to reconsider your choice of powerplant.
Eric, look at my former arsenal, I had some different guns, include CO2, from many guns I shot, but yet didn't find what would be pleasant to me how now it is pleasant HW45, so I cant back to BBs. Though in plans at me something match as Steyr, Walther, FWB... Or Rohm, if I'll be greedy :D
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Vadym,
Keep the HW45. ;D Don't go back to the other guns. Its just my personal preference to leave such a fine pistol in its original condition. Don't mind me, I'm already over it. ;)
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OK, this is it...
Don`t look at the color, later I anodize the frame.
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Accuracy is attributed to the trigger being SO nice.
they do diesel a bit.
the P-1 is a dieseling gun for sure.
I tried to keep my seal seating shots to a happy medium. Instead of dry firing, I would shoot cleaning wads thru. Eventually replaced the seal and spring with McCarri stuff. McCarri spring is a little bit slower, but MUCH more tame.
very good shooters.
God bless,
Farmer