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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Pellet Review Gate => Topic started by: Pepper on October 10, 2010, 05:53:49 PM
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Gotta say the crosman premier hp's really did'nt do that well in my 2240 or QB57.
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i was just testing 7 different kinds of pellets in my 2240, and the cphp and crosman pointed field pellets produced the best groups. still not quite as tight of groups as id like though.both produced a 1 to 1 1/2" group of 6 shots at 10 yds....
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CPHP's work very well in my .177 Rem NPSS, as a matter of fact it's my preferred pellet for this gun.
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CPHP have worked fairly well in all my AG's. Notice I said "fairly" and not best. Pound for pound (and cost) I will always go for CPHP's as I can't ignore them when at Wally world!! :) They shoot well out of my B3 and my Gamo's. Not the one's I would choose to put 10 inside the ring but they are more accurate than some of the others I have paid good money for.
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So far "The Peak" domed pellets have performed the best for me.
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In general...the CPHP work pretty decent...but do have flyers. The Beeman Kodiaks and FTS (Field Target Specials) work much better for my air rifles.
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In general...the CPHP work pretty decent...but do have flyers. The Beeman Kodiaks and FTS (Field Target Specials) work much better for my air rifles.
The next time you buy pellets, try the H&N FTT's. They are the same pellet as the Beeman FTS, but cheaper. Both are very accurate in my R9's
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I have tried the CPHP's from WM available in tins of 500 for $4.96 a can
I ran some through one of my Falcon FN19's all I can say was wow!
Will be getting allot more of those
I have always been a H&N fan since the early 80's but for the cost difference
my boys will be getting the CPHP's
I suspect that after washing them & gauging them they will be just fine for competitive use
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crosman pellets are a lot of the time very good pellets, they are hard lead, pretty consistent and uniform. and that kind of quality is only matched by much more expensive brands. I think that they are the best deal in pellets. also nice that they are always locally available to just about anyone.
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I've got a Stoeger x20 that I have had about a month now and I was weaning it on CPH .177. I wanted to try something heavier so I brought some CP UltraMags and some JSB Diablo Exact Heavies. They all shoot good. I have not had a chance to zero with a scope because I bought this rifle without a scope because of where my money was standing at the time. Open sights have worked pretty good for me out to 20 yards and my groups have been ok.
The other day I read on a site that you should not use pellets heavier than 9 grains in a .177 because it will cause spring fatigue and this has got me worried. I reall like the JSB's and I feel that this rifle will last me a long time because the only time that I will use it will be to hunt about twice a week in the late fall and winter. This is my first air rifle in almost thirty years and I would like to have it last a while. I will have it lubed and tuned in the spring.
I just want to hear some input on this because I have heard many things and I feel that I will get the best advice right here. Also, is the 12.65 H&N Hollow Points too light for a .22 caliber springer that is rated at 800 fps with lead. I plan on only trying CPH's and the H&N's in this rifle. I will split hunting duty between the two rifles.
Joining the GTA is the best thing that any person that is new or returning to the sport of air gun hunting can do for themselves. You guys articles have helped me immensely and thank you all for this.
Thank You,
Michael Mobley
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I've had nothing but excellent performance from the CPHP pellets. I get groups that I can cover with a 1/2 dime from my Michael Morgan tuned Whisper.My weapon loves them and they will continue to be the ones I get.Sorry for your bad experience.
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Tardip, I think it is more a matter of time to failure. Light and heavy pellets may cause the spring to wear out faster, but the spring will go eventually, anyway, if you keep and shoot the gun long enough.
You could try the JSB Express, to get the same quality in a lighter pellet. Some of my guns like them, some don't. For a pure hunting gun I try to find the very best grouping pellet and stick with those in the field, so I never have to make allowances when sighting a critter. I can learn one performance arc for the gun and know what to expect (someday I hope to organize this info better and make a card for each gun).
I really do have good luck with CPHPs in most everything. And I agree, they do have fliers in every tin. Pre-sorting would be the way to go but I have never gotten organized enough to do that.
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I've got some 10.2 grain JSB's that I just absolutely love. I am getting my scope for my X20 today and I will do just what you said Dave
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After somr adjustments my QB57 is starting to like the CPHP.
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In general...the CPHP work pretty decent...but do have flyers. The Beeman Kodiaks and FTS (Field Target Specials) work much better for my air rifles.
i second the ftt. its the only pellet i use out of my 22 tx200. although the cphp work great out of my 34p. the ftt does do better in it but since the cphp work almost as well, i choose to use them because of cost
The next time you buy pellets, try the H&N FTT's. They are the same pellet as the Beeman FTS, but cheaper. Both are very accurate in my R9's
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I've got a Stoeger x20 that I have had about a month now
and I feel that this rifle will last me a long time because the only time that I will use it will be to hunt about twice a week in the late fall and winter. I will split hunting duty between the two rifles.
At that rate, they should last you several lifetimes! ;)
Seriously, always, always choose accuracy over spring life, especially when using the gun for hunting. You owe that to the game. If the JSB Heavies are the most accurate and you can comfortably hit your target and it kills effectively, use them. Springs and to a lesser extent seals, are like the brakes on your car. They start wearing out as soon as you drive it off the lot. And eventually they will need replacing. How much will using JSB Heavies shorten your spring life? 10%, 30% 50%? No one knows. There are too many variables at work.
Nathan
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I use the CPHP'S when I'm shooting cans or plinking. Sometimes I use them to shoot targets. When I hunt, the Beeman FTS, H&N FTT or Predators are the pellet of choice
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I can't say anything bad about CPHP's
I use them in my .177 Disco and my 1377 custom pistol.
And am now using them in my Storm XT.
I get very tight groups with them.
Usually smaller than a nickle at 30yds.
And the best part is, they are most always on the shelf at walmart.
Thanks
Ray
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I shoot them in both .177 and .22, have to say they shoot pretty well. My b3 in.22 shoots them pretty good (although it prefers the industry brand pointed) and my phantom does well with them in .177. They group really well out of my 880 also. My 1377 (.22 conversion) doesn't care for them though, it prefers daisy pointed which is fine with me since they are 2.50 a tin.
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This last can of .22 CPHP's I got from Wally World are the dirtiest pellets I've seen in my life. There's enough lead flash and bent skirts to make another tin of good pellets.
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3 out of 5 do fairly well in my M-Rod
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Tardip,
I too use the heavies, and like the consistancy at distance. As far as springs go, if you're gonna do some tinkering on your AG this spring, you may consider a JM spring, that'll hold up to heavier pellets. They're heavier wire will put the fatigue issue to rest.
If you have a RWS, you already have the spring that'll hold up to the heavy pellets.
Nonetheless, to me, springs and guides are an eventuallity, so shoot what is best for you.
Enjoy those Heavies :)
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I just have a humble 10-pump Crosman 2100/Am77 ( the remington rebrand) that does 600-650 fps, and I've been having terrific luck with the CPHP after modifying my techniques a little bit. With the predators I was just taking any shot I could get, and it would put the animal down but not all the time out and I would have to do a follow up.
So anyway, at first I didn't quite like the CPHP because I was putting the same shots on Starlings that I had with the Predators, but they were just flying/running away very displeased and would be out of there before I could get a follow-up shot. In any case, then one morning I go out to a friend's orchard for crows and starlings and I shoot a crow off a powerline about 20-30 yards ( not really sure because the inline ) right through its back. It dropped and was dead before I got to it.
So after that I just took front-on shots when they were facing or facing away on Starlings and they were great and I was getting one-shot kills at 20-30 yards consistently, and just a couple of days ago another friend/property owner of mine wanted me to take care of his g. squirrels had me go out there. I got two that popped out of a nesting hole, about 30-35 yards, and they were very devastating on those. One that I got good chest-shot placement on bled out into a huge puddle before I could even jog up; other one wasn't quite as clean, but even with the botched shot it just fell back into its nesting hole and was unable to run.
Frankly I doubt they even expand at the velocities I'm shooting them at, but they're 500 a tin and only $8. Their "Pointed Field Hunting" are a little cheaper for two 250 tins, but I haven't had as much luck with them, so maybe the hollow point is going something despite the lack of expansion.
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"I just have a humble 10-pump Crosman 2100/Am77 ( the remington rebrand) that does 600-650 fps, and I've been having terrific luck with the CPHP after modifying my techniques a little bit. With the predators I was just taking any shot I could get, and it would put the animal down but not all the time out and I would have to do a follow up."
jefunjsh,
By chance, have you ever tried the Beeman Crow Magnums?
They're a very good hunter pellet that expand pretty easily...without going thru your quarry. They're consistent and accurate for me at 25 yards, and expand at least 50 percent I've found.
They cost a bit more, but when you use them for hunting, a tin lasts a lot longer...so I figure that into the cost. For regular "playing" I don't use them. Hope this helps.
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Worked OK for several years, until they got inconsistent in manufacture.
Been there, done that. Use other pellets now.
Charles
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I have really been happy with these in .22 but I picked up a tin in .177 to try and get my Super Streak something it will group with. Really disappointed in how inconsistent these are. I managed to get a few to group as long as they fit snug in the breech but then three would fit loosely and group 3 inches high. Guess I am going to spend a little more money and try some heavier JSB's. I just can't find pellet this gun likes yet and I thought the CPHP would be a good choice. Guess it is too much to ask that they keep them at least close to the same size.
D
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For my Storm XT the CPHP is the best so far, though I have not tried any of the expensive pellets.
So far my experiences are
Crosman destroyer—cool shape, but my groups are about the size of a silver dollar at 20 yards. Fun for plinking, but I would not shoot one at an animal for fear of only wounding it.
Crosman pointed—in the tin I have, one of the pellets feel about an inch into the barrel before it stopped. Seem very inconsistent. Same use as the destroyer.
Daisy Wadcutters—Holy &^^&, I shot these for the first time yesterday, and while I knew I would be really high because I scoped for the heavier CPHPs, these things were 8-9 inches to the right, and not even close to the same height off. If I shoot the other light pellets, the still hit on center, just high. These were just all over the place. I will give them another shot tonight, and see if it was use error, though considering my other groups with other pellets, this is not my fault. I have 2 tins of 500 of these, and will most likely just give them away if I can’t get them to at least shoot straight.
Crosman supersonic pellets----yeah well those are junk.
Crosman CPHP. These were not available at Wally World the first time I went so I grabbed the &^^& listed above. While these have an occasional flyer, I have lots of nickel and dime sized groups. They are $7 for 500 at wally and my gun loves them.
Anybody want some Daisys?
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I was disappointed for sure as they are great in .22 for the Titan and the XL. But hey, the RWS SHP that the Whisper loves won't shoot in it either. I'll go heavier and see how it does.
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I used CHP's in my Big cat with decent results. They are also the only pellet I have tried so far out of my TX200. The hollow points are nice, but if you're looking for the best pellet, not the best value, you obviously need to look at a more expensive pellet.
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I wish I could find other pellets in stores as much as I can with these. They're everywhere in town. I really wouldn't even blink an eye spending a few dollars more on some RWS, JSB or FTT or something since tin-to-tin they're not that much more expensive... However, once you factor shipping in, all of the other brands are upwards to $15-$20 a tin versus $8-10.
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jefunjsh...Yeah, unless you have a shop near you, they can get pricey. I don't know where you're at but perhaps there may be other shooters near you who could help with some pellets. Call around some gunshops, or gun clubs and you may find someone who knows someone.
I personally haven't been that impressed with the cphps from Wmart.
I'd stick with domed pellets in the 7.9 to 9 area, and buy more than a few tins to distribute the S/H cost. I know that's not a magic answer, but we're ALL hostage to the S/H costs today.
Hey, you can always ask for Gift Cards from the places you wanna get pellets from ! :)
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jefunjsh...Yeah, unless you have a shop near you, they can get pricey. I don't know where you're at but perhaps there may be other shooters near you who could help with some pellets. Call around some gunshops, or gun clubs and you may find someone who knows someone.
I personally haven't been that impressed with the cphps from Wmart.
I'd stick with domed pellets in the 7.9 to 9 area, and buy more than a few tins to distribute the S/H cost. I know that's not a magic answer, but we're ALL hostage to the S/H costs today.
Hey, you can always ask for Gift Cards from the places you wanna get pellets from ! :)
Yeah, I was actually just thinking about ordering those big 1250 ct boxes of the crosman premier domed pellets--since the cphp works well for me I figure they would too, and I doubt the hollow point is really doing much for me. Plus I'll get to try the 10 gn ones.
Gift cards would be a good one too, but not all places offer free shipping on gift cards. Does PyramydAir have them?
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jefunjsh...Yes PA has a gift card. They ship free. They're advertising them now for Fathers Day. For your pumper, you may wanna go with the Crosman Premier Domes in 7.9g. They come boxed as well. Also the JSB Exacts are excellent. Again, with that A/G, I would personally stay away from heavy pellets.
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I wish I could find other pellets in stores as much as I can with these. They're everywhere in town. I really wouldn't even blink an eye spending a few dollars more on some RWS, JSB or FTT or something since tin-to-tin they're not that much more expensive... However, once you factor shipping in, all of the other brands are upwards to $15-$20 a tin versus $8-10.
I was reading this guys responce for excepting inferior pellets and I just couldn't keep my month shut. Dude! Try H&N or RWS for pete's sake. Life is too short to settle for one flavor. If you care enough to post about your experience you should care enough to get the most out of your gun.
I hope this helped :)
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