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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: fortyshooter on June 30, 2012, 02:24:19 PM
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There are some of us who like to do easy plinking with air and Co2 handguns.
Just though it might be an idea to have them all in one forum.
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What timing is this? I was just thinking today of getting one of the recoilless Diana air pistols.
Don't get me wrong, I like to shoot old air rifles. But my newest "old gun", a Walther 55 weighs a ton and I was thinking of just a cool old break-barrel pistol....kind of just "open the top drawer" type and just do some random shooting.
I don't have any experience with handguns....but I do think a recoilless piece would be cool.
Hey, I can even lift the thing with one hand!
Greetings, and thanks for an interesting idea.
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I'm a pistol 1st guy, so I myself would love a Pistol Forum :)
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Robert
I think the Diana 6M was not a particularly light AP. I don't have mine any more, so I can't give you any specifics.
The Diana 6M had a rather large grip, which was OK if you have a large hand. The grip of the 6M was too big for me. The construction of the frame prevents any grip modifications to make the grip smaller. I prefer the smaller target grip on the Diana 10, but I think the 10 was heavier than the 6M.
And the breakbarrel Diana pistols are NOT easy to cock, at least for me.
The other neat recoilless AP is the FWB 65, or the later FWB 80.
The sliding sledge is pretty neat.
The FWB are side lever cocking.
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There are some of us who like to do easy plinking with air and Co2 handguns.
Just though it might be an idea to have them all in one forum.
There is the issue of brand exclusivity but you might want to look into the Crosman Air Pistol Owners Forum (CAPOF).
http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=8ebff68bd17e63ebdba7ec7be2b65e23;wwwRedirect (http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=8ebff68bd17e63ebdba7ec7be2b65e23;wwwRedirect)
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Well I got the replacement,pictured, for the first Dan Wesson that had a problem.
This one shoots better than advertised at an average of 485 FPS with a high of 507,right out the box!
Not a bad shot group,the cluster in black zone, from 20 ft.shooting from the shade swing!
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Very nice pistol fortyshooter and I like the idea of an air pistol gate!
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I've tried for years to pick out Pistols for fun & 10-15 yard target. From CP88, Desert Eagle, and IZH53M to Custom Crosmans & BB only. DW and others shoot pretty well.
If there were a non denominational pistol forum I'd be there in a heartbeat.
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Interesting stuff. Fortyshooter, do you have much experience or expertise with pistols? I mean, I can imagine there is more technique involved.
Since I live in Diana-Land, not many Crossman possibilities over here.
Can air pistols be tuned?
PS: @ac12, the pistol I have access to is a Model 5.
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I think that would be cool to have a pistol only forum. But dont think it would do well because most shooters do use both rifle and pistols still a good idea and i would join if one started.
Mike 8)
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I too am a "pistol first' guy. I've got one of those 8" Dan Wessons. I put a red dot on mine, and it's pretty impressive for a BB shooter. RC
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Interesting stuff. Fortyshooter, do you have much experience or expertise with pistols? I mean, I can imagine there is more technique involved.
Since I live in Diana-Land, not many Crossman possibilities over here.
Can air pistols be tuned?
PS: @ac12, the pistol I have access to is a Model 5.
My handgun shooting expierence is from the powder burners,and just getting into the air pistols for
laid back fun,when I don't use my 30 yd. range for shooting the air rifles.
Sometimes my 3 surrounding neighbors may be wanting to enjoy their backyard space,without the noise of a hard hitting rifle pellet,so I revert to my 20 footer shooting to a target area on the side of my shooting cabin...shack.
This is perfect distance for an air pistol!
I'm sure most types of air pistols can be tuned up,since there are a few springers in the mix of Co2 powered guns.
There are several mods even for the Dan Wesson. Plus I also have my recently purchased Drozd BB machine pistol/carbine.
Thanks for all the replies to this subject and maybe this can raise interest of the moderators here.
I enjoy discussing the air rifle here...a lot of good info shared and may air pistols can have a location here too.
If it wasn't 102 outside right now,I'd be destroying more cans with the DW!!
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Maybe I should say a pistol gate section!
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I, too, like the idea of a pistol gate.
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We do need an Air Pistol gate.
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pistol gate sounds correct im game if the moderators and the owners go for it . i could show off my diana 5g tm . and i learned the hard way how to overhaul it . and it has a couple of tricky places inside . i had great patience when i redone it
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I also like the idea of a pistol orientated gate. I think I remember that someone brought up that there were too many gates, and it was becoming difficult to regulate them all. Maybe if we added had an air pistol sub-gate under the main airgun gate it would make it more manageable? I would love to talk about pistols though, the majority of the forum's discussion pertains to rifles.
Andrew
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with all the interested sparked by the umarex pistol club, i thought we would have one too. i like classic rifles and such, but sometimes is fun to just walk a can back in a barrage of BBs or pellets, or double tap a target and see how close and fast you can do it. im in for it!
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GTA = Gateway To Air-rifles or Gateway to Air-guns?
I think there should be a general Pistol forum.
I know, it could never end; CO2 forum, Springer forum, Single-pump, Multi-pump, Pellet only, bb only, (I personally like the economical aspects of a bb rifle/pistol target forum),
I do see pistol posts all over the place without a place of their own, sometimes ignored sometimes a lot of responses.
Are there any people willing to put in the time to volunteer as a moderator?
I know I can. but we'll need more than one.
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Yeah,I could help with the moderating.
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I've got the time to help with moderating if needed. RC
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@Robert
I think the Diana 5 is the recoilling version.
The Diana 6 has the dual piston, making it recoilless.
As a spring gun, it could be tuned, but I don't think you can improve it very much.
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a tune works wonders on the 5g. and they all need a trigger adjustment from the factory. they are set kinda " safe ". once the trigger is adjusted correctly, and a lubetune has been done, it shoots very smoothly and is consistent in the mid to high 5s with a medium weight pellet. the trouble is to master the hold required to shoot it to its fullest. my standard was "ping pong" ball at 20 yards. With super H points at 615 fps it was deadly on squirrels on the back yard. not a hole in a hole kinda gun (because i use all kind of strange shooting positions and angles while pesting on the yard). But a pellet in the noggin is all it took... sometimes there was the death dance, sometimes they hit the ground like a sack of potatoes... I sold it to get a p1 in .20. I should have kept the 5g... Now i am wondering if i needs a lp8... is good because u can scope it... but there is too much plastic for my taste. Plus my 1377s are really tough to replace... lol
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If IF a air pistol sub gate is made I have no problem having it added to the gates I'm a mod on.
I've asked in the past for a pistol gate and it didn't happen, but who knows maybe with the added interest now.
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I don't even have a pistol (yet), but I'd be interested in a sub group like that. Planning to get a 1377 at some point.
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can't wait for that .25 cal Hatsan pistol to come out :)
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I'd be very interested.
(edited 1/9/17 to fix broken links)
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that sheridan is so sexy.........
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1377's, 22xx pistols already have gates the crosman gate for the 1377's and the pcp co2 gate for the 22xx's. Imo a air pistol sub gate would be great to have for air pistols like the crosman co2 revolvers, 1088's etc or to sum it co2 reapter pistols.
It would also be nice and idk if its already done but some shooting matches for co2 reapter pistols. Like 10ft target match, 20ft target match, something like garage distance shooting matches that way none of us has to get outside in the excessive heat to shoot since with these garage setups are ideal
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Imo a air pistol sub gate would be great to have for air pistols like the crosman co2 revolvers, 1088's etc or to sum it co2 reapter pistols.
Please don't forget those of us with Izzys, Daisy 7x7s, and other SSPs, or MSPs. And while some of the pistols may technically fit in other gates the focus there sometimes seems to regard pistols as an interesting afterthought. Crosmans may be the exception.
BTW, there's some great information and targets out there for shrinking 10m pistol targets down to 5m while keeping the same effective sight picture. Fun stuff for the garage.
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can't wait for that .25 cal Hatsan pistol to come out :)
Oh no....if that happens I'll be spending more money! :o
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Great I'm game for the pistol gate. Very good idea fortyshooter. BTW i love the pics of your rigs i guess it's the western cowboy movie and TV shows i love so much i grew up watching them.Come to think of it I'm watching the Rifleman as i type this.
Mike
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Wow it's exciting seeing all this interest in pistol shooting!!
I got out this morning to shoot the DW,this time at cans from 30 ft. I was surprised to see it rip holes
completely thru a ribbed steel can and keep going!
Since my local range was closed again today...had to fall back to the BB revolver!
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Great I'm game for the pistol gate. Very good idea fortyshooter. BTW i love the pics of your rigs i guess it's the western cowboy movie and TV shows i love so much i grew up watching them.Come to think of it I'm watching the Rifleman as i type this.
Mike
Thanks Mike! Yeah we like to watch the reruns of shows we watched when young...Gunsmoke...Rifleman and such. I do like my single action revolvers,but have a .40 Glock in the mix too.
The name "Fortyshooter" seems to cover what I shoot .40 thru .45-70 ;)
Yeah I'm a lefty!
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Hey I see a poll has been setup... let's get the voting going folks!!
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can't wait for that .25 cal Hatsan pistol to come out :)
Me too! Id be happy with the .22!
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I don't think a pistol only forum would do well, but I support a new gate. I myself have several air pistols I frequently shoot.
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Count me in! My first love is pistols. I have an even dozen of them. I have one lowly CO2 rifle and I use that mostly to go plonking with the kids. Somehow, I see the pistol as representing a bigger challenge to shoot well than it takes for a rifle. But, I suppose rifle people feel the same way about pistols. In any case, that's my passion. I saw the Hatsan 25 advertised last week and decided that I probably ought to have 13. Also, here is a photo of Sweet Baby on the day she graduated from Extreme Makeover School.
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There is debate over the definition of what is a pistol. Talon P? P-Rod? Some guns cross the barrier a bit so what happens to those discussions when there are two gates?
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The Talon P is a wanna be pistol, pistol used as a marketing tool, I had one and it ain't a Pistol :)
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Maurader pistol is heavy and unbalanced, not very good to use as a pistol, but can be, and I think it can pass the pistol definition...I had 3 so I know this one too :)
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Sounds like a good idea.
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Seems like a good idea to me ! ... ;D
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/HJN/DSC_6757airguns2ab.jpg)
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As is probably obvious from my earlier post in this thread about CAPOF, I think a pistol gate here would be great. I voted in the poll and am happy to see that the tally is running very much in the positive direction.
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I have always thought that we all had a bit of a definition problem here. Let's see if we can clear this up. When we talk about "airguns", we include "airgun rifles" and "airgun pistols". We even separate airsoft rifles and airsoft pistols. In point of fact, we should probably break down the category "airguns" into "air-rifles" or just "rifles" and "air-handguns" or just "handguns". Then, we can have two categories of handguns which would be "pistols" and "revolvers". For the sake of this Forum and its discussions I believe that what we want to address are air handguns of all kinds. Well, maybe not the airsoft handguns . (Hmmm. Where do they go?) Maybe we can include that Marauder pistol in a third category of handguns called "hand cannons". Anyway, the definition of a "pistol" has been pretty well stated by all of the firearm people and I can't think of a good reason to make airguns any different. Pistols have a "chamber" and the barrel as essential parts of the same unit. We have a barrel and a breech. Think 1911. Revolvers have a separate barrel and a chamber that moves around to introduce the next round. Think Colt .45 or Dan Weston. That still works for airguns, I think.
By the way, it looks like the Hatsan 25 is now out.
NotXactlyRocketSurgery
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I think that most would agree that a P-ROD should be in the PCP gate as opposed to a pistol gate.
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I added the poll and even made this thread an announcement to get the members to see it and vote. We're watching the poll and if the members deem it necessary, we'll add the gate. Be advised, this adds more work for staff. It adds another gate to manage and we will most definitely ask that some that have shown interest moderate the gate.
I'll also say we do not have nor will we add anything airsoft to GTA Forums. We do not consider them anything similar.
IF we add a pistol gate, it will most likely be a child gate of the Airgun Gate. But I'm getting ahead of the game, let's see what the poll says and what the other admins have to say about the idea.
Thanks for all the input.
Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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I think that most would agree that a P-ROD should be in the PCP gate as opposed to a pistol gate.
Pistol is pistol wether, spring, co2, pump or PCP, if someone wants to talk about his Maurader pistol as long as it is set up as a pistol not a carbine, than the Pistol forum would be OK for it, there's other PCP pistols, and more coming out
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Count me in.
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I voted "YES". I currently have 12 pistols - 11 pellet & 1 BB - and enjoy shooting them regularly too. They are mostly CO2 but I do have a 717, a 5G, a 53M, and a Daisy 188 (BB springer) which was the first airgun I bought 26 years ago. I was a Beeman reseller in the early 90s for a few years but stopped and sold almost eveything including PBs when my kids were very young to appease my wife. Wife is now an ex-wife and kids are older (19 & 14) , so I restarted buying airguns and PBs about a year ago. In fact, I just bought my 14 year old a Gamo Explorer to start him off. I have a target that I built out of 2x4s, plywood and steel plate that I keep and use in my bedroom for pistol shooting.
I really like the idea of a pistol gate.
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What are the costs?
What are the benefits?
Perhaps it is as simple as adding a pistol match and pistols only sub forum.
If subjects get excessive threads, it is time to break out another sub forum, if they don't get any views, it is time to combine.
As a member of several different forums, I avoid using some of them because of poorly laid out sub forums/directories. Perhaps a forum is needed on how to run a forum. Believe it or not, some even MAKE money.
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I think that most would agree that a P-ROD should be in the PCP gate as opposed to a pistol gate.
but the P rod is a pistol so it should go in the pistol gate.
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If the barrel length is under 16 inches and there is no shoulder stock,as produced,I guess it would be considered
a handgun? Just my thoughts.
Maybe barrel length should be shortened to 12 inch?
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IMHO, I vote that we should start with a simple definition.
Pistol = short barrel w/o a stock
Then go from there and see how things go.
We can always refine it later.
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why the debate? it either has a buttstock or it doesn't. remember the XP-100? why try to change the definition of something? also, AR pistols are somewhat like the talon-P in that they have a buffer tube aft of the receiver, so i don't see that argument holding much water either. just my 2 cent.
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Well if the gun is shorter than a rifle and was designed to be used with one hand that is enough for me.
Anyway, I think the pistols are just cool. All that power and accuracy with only air!
The looks of some just kill me, and have written all over them...."I want one"!
I don't have any experience with them, but the heavy-azzed air rifles are getting boring to me, because they just can't be pulled out of a drawer, cocked and shot between the evening news and the funky weather cutie telling me more rain is coming up.
I like 'em, and would just love to hear from some of the guys on this forum about their experiences, their likings and dislikings about various makes and models...and oh, did I mention I like the way they look?
Post 'em guys, the mods here will deliver and set it up....wanna bet?
I can see it now...."Let's see them beauties"! as a sticky.
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A Pistol Gate is specialized enought to warrant one, with no barriers on Brands, country, intended use or powerplants :) ..just all about pistols :)
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A Pistol Gate is specialized enought to warrant one, with no barriers on Brands, country, intended use or powerplants :) ..just all about pistols :)
huh?
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I don't have any experience with them, but the heavy-azzed air rifles are getting boring to me, because they just can't be pulled out of a drawer, cocked and shot between the evening news and the funky weather cutie telling me more rain is coming up.
Why wait until the evening news?
This is the view from my desk (I work from home). Look over in the right corner there:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn69/jerrywrussell/trap2.jpg)
Yeah, right there. A little 6" trap.
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn69/jerrywrussell/trap1-1.jpg)
I can sit at my desk and do a little plinking while I work. Clears the mind ;D
My old Daisy Avanti 717, at a sedate 350fps, is perfect for that 15' range from the desk chair to the trap and it's very quiet:
(http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn69/jerrywrussell/trap.jpg)
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Nice setup jdub!! Hope you don't make a boo boo and hole that nice wall! ;D
Oh...I see the textured paint to cover any boo boo's ;D ;D
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Nice setup jdub!! Hope you don't make a boo boo and hole that nice wall! ;D
Thanks!
I'm not too worried about the wall--I have touch-up paint and as close as it is the pellets rarely even land out of the black. The 717 is more accurate than I am.
But if I drift too low while aiming I end up pointed at my iPad (on the stand). That would be a painful mistake. ;)
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@jdub
I see a key next to the rig.
But I've been so out of touch I don't recognize the rig.
Are you a W5 ?
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@jdub
I see a key next to the rig.
But I've been so out of touch I don't recognize the rig.
Are you a W5 ?
Well this is embarrassing. I'm not sure which rig or key you're referring to and not sure what a "W5" is. How's that for being entirely clueless? A state I'm all too familiar with unfortunately. Sorry :-[
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I think that most would agree that a P-ROD should be in the PCP gate as opposed to a pistol gate.
Pistol is pistol wether, spring, co2, pump or PCP, if someone wants to talk about his Maurader pistol as long as it is set up as a pistol not a carbine, than the Pistol forum would be OK for it, there's other PCP pistols, and more coming out
Yes, but my point is that if one needed help, he would be better off asking the fellers over at the PCP gate.
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I agree that the Maurader Pistol is a Poor pistol and I can't think of anyone that is actually using it as such.
The very 1st one bought, I did intend to use it as a pistol but soon realised it wasn't all that good
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/guns/008-7.jpg)
however if someone is so hardcore that uses one as a pistol he sure would be welcome on The Pistol gate, and most of all if someone that intends to buy one to use as a pistol would be well advised to ask on the Pistol forum so avid pistol shooters would be able to give him a feedback :)
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Since we're talking about pistolas, any news on the Nitro Piston Pistol?
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@jdub
If you are not a ham raido guy, then the words indeed won't make sense.
I thought I recognized a morse code key (the thing you tap on to make the more code) on the left of the radio. radio = rig, usually a 2-way radio.
W5 is the amateur radio call area that Texas belongs to.
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@jdub
If you are not a ham raido guy, then the words indeed won't make sense.
I thought I recognized a morse code key (the thing you tap on to make the more code) on the left of the radio. radio = rig, usually a 2-way radio.
W5 is the amateur radio call area that Texas belongs to.
Dang you have good eyes! :D That is indeed a morse code key although I didn't know that's what they're called. I picked it up at a junk store that was selling off some stuff from an old telegraph office. I thought it looked really cool and they only wanted $8-10 for it. It's not connected to anything but has a nice mechanical feel so I end up tapping on it sometimes while pondering the universe (or trying to figure out how to put a gun back together).
The radio next to it is a little Tivoli One. A fairly high quality table-top radio. The nice heavy and smooth tuning knob is worth the price of admission. Mono only but i'm deaf in one ear so it works out well. It sits on my combination fly-tying/gun repair bench so I plug my iPod into the Tivoli while I "work".
Thanks for the info! I'm now smarter than I was yesterday :D
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Any decision yet?
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Re: Crosman Nitro Piston Pistol ...
I have called Crosman once every 4 to 6 weeks since the Shot Show in January. Each time I did, I got the same answer...it is in Final Testing now and should be out in 4 to 6 weeks. Personally, knowing that we get snow here in the winter and it is 90 degrees out there now, I went and bought something else. I just got tired of waiting. I am also tired of calling, so maybe one of you other guys would like to take over that duty now and let us know what they say. Anyone want to bet on Thanksgiving maybe?
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Any decision yet?
I'd guess from lack of response the answer is no.
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if the pistol gate materializes i think the only mandate should be the lack of a shoulder stock in pistol form. barrel length and such will eliminate the display of a lot of nice "hunting pistols" built on rifle platforms, and some 22xx 13xx long barrel configurations. I hunt with a 14 inch barrel 22xx that is shot with optics and depends on the day, gets a long eye relief scope or a pistol scope. and the availability of a shoulder stock should not be discriminated against as long as it is truly removable, and when without the pistol will still perform as such. many custom works are based on pistols, and they are truly interesting pieces that we should allow the proud owner to share. a p1 with a shoulder stock is still a p1... not a rifle. and quite an interesting sample. my .02
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not sure how much trouble it would be, but it sounds like a good idea. ;D i like the pistolas too. ;D
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So when is this new gate coming out? And the NP Pistol is set for February, 2013.
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I know I am turning into a party pooper, but Crosman introduced that Benj Trail Nitro Pistol at the Shot Show in January, 2012. It has had at least four or maybe 5 dates when Crosman Customer Service thought it would be out. I don't know how many times PA has changed the date on their web site. I was all set to buy it in January. I have now spent that money at least 5 times. I am disappointed to the point where I don't care any more when they bring it out. IF they bring it out. The excitement has totally gone out of it.
But, just so you know that I have not lost my bearings completely, early in spring I threw down $50 and I bought the Browning Buckmark Break Barrel and a couple tins of Hobbys. It has a BSA red dot sight on it now and it is more fun than cleaning fish, that's for sure. It is a low power plonker but anyone can cock it, and anyone can hit stuff with it, and it is quiet to the point where the neighbors will never know. I have so much fun with it, that I keep it in the car. Now I drop in on people that I used to not see too much ... the one's with big back yards.
Maybe we'll see that Nitro, maybe we won't. But, don't start holding your breath until the Shot Show '13 is over.
NRS
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i agree... and there are already so many good pistols out there to keep me busy til the NP comes out... Have been eyeing the buckmark for a while... its so cool but makes the p17 feel like a desert eagle! I carry the p17 and a tin of RWS super h points for the same reason... like to see i am not the only one who likes just plinking with quiet air pistols... I am now going to my favorite patch of woods and set up cans at ungodly distances and essentially lobing pellets to them... it still knocks them over... 50 yards is my next goal... but i am replacing the red dot with a 2x20...
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I have a Browning Buck Mark and overall I really like it for what it is. It is a low power, low noise plinker that will not beat you up after long shooting sessions. I have an indoor set up in my basement that I use to plink at night while my wife and kids are upstairs. I am thinking about a Red dot sight as the stock sights could definitely be improved.
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I dont know... the buck mark seems aimed to indoor shooting only... at those speeds any wind will play some serious deviation at any range pass 20 yards. At least the p17 will reliably hit a can at 35 yards with the dot on... I kinda went a bit nutty and i am building a disco based pistol...still on the "number of shots " phase...Power wise i got it to give me 5 shots at over 700 fps in .22. tested with a little pistol scope of a rest it will drill cans at way pass 50 yards with minimal drop... but is loud and needs to be refilled every 5 shots... I think i will settle it at 550 fps and try to get at least 20 shots out of it... Then push the cans out to like 75 yards and try to drill them consistenly... I even started to practice on a weird 'stance' called the creedmore... I saw it used on a silhouette event and i think my PCP could be competitive versus rimfire pistols... or so i wish!
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I kinda went a bit nutty and i am building a disco based pistol...
pics?
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Ill post some when i get home. but essentially it looks like a longish 2240 with a disco filler cap, a gauge under the airtube and a steel breech... still unfinished...
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Pistol forum would be nice. Did a lot of pistol shooting when I was younger. Still have a Benjamin .177 in the garage.
Be nice to have pistols in one sub forum instead of searching through all the others for pistol specific topics.
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Agreed, but I don't see it happening. This idea seems to have gone over modland like a lead zeppelin.
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i dont know... 5 pages of posts??? it should be noticed... i hope
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Well, let's kick things off with a little bit of "Yes, we can." I'll start the story going and see what we get. I just walked around my house and counted the number of air guns that I have and I have 13. Please, don't anyone ask me why I have so many. Maybe it is because I don't have a wife that I buy toys instead. But, what I was going to say is that only one of them is a rifle. It is a Crosman 1077 with the adapter for the larger CO2 tank. I bought it at an auction, it is NIB and never been fired. I have had it four months or so and never felt the need to rush out and fire it. I am already getting ready to put it on the market.
So, if you have done the math, then you know that i have an even dozen pistols of all kinds and shapes. For some reason, and I don't understand this at all, for me a pistol just seems to challenge every bit of me. It has always been that way. When in the Army, I went to the range, learned how to shoot with an M-1, qualified Super Expert Marksman or whatever very few misses will get you. Sometime later, I had the opportunity to also qualify with a military 1911 style .45. That was so long ago, I don't remember any of the qualification other than my hand and my arm buzzed for a couple days and I couldn't stop smiling.
So, after I bought the obligatory Crosman 2240, actually I have three of them - two are heavily moded and one is a Crosman Custom Shop LW beauty with a scope, one of the first pistols that I bought to keep was a used chrome Colt 1911. Now it has its own US Army leather holster and a belt with holes all over it for hanging a canteen, knife, etc. I have that gun because it makes me smile just like that first one did.
In addition to the 2240s, I have one other gun where I have two of the same one. Not long ago, I bought the Umarex newest version of the Makarov 654 BB pistol. I had to do that because I decided not to shoot the first one that I bought. I found an original import, or the first imported version of the converted Mak 654. Most of the parts were the same parts used in the 9mm (I think?) Mak 654 but it was converted on the assembly line to fire BBs. I bought it because I liked the looks of it and I didn't have a clue as to how much in short supply those pistols are. So, as soon as I had two pistols that I know I will keep and not even think about selling, I decided that I ought to have one of the Maks that I can actually shoot in the rain without worrying about it. I have a ways to go before I can say that I have much accuracy with it, but, I'm working on it.
OK. That's enough. Let's see if we can take that and get some chatter going here. That might do that trick. Who's next?
NRS
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I too much prefer to shoot pistols than rifles,.. Rifles are precision hunting tools, but shooting open sight pistols is pure fun, it would be very nice to have a pistol forum where like minded people could talk about the art of pistol shooting :)
the 2 stubby 2240s I have are super fun the Hatsan .22 pistol is a blast and my AR6 set for open sights is a total beast
of course love shooting my Glock 19 and my Trooper Mark III .357 Mag :) :)
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well, seen that everyone is showing their stacks... I have the disease bad...18 rifles... 8 pistols... I love to shoot my rifles, but for the 40 yards i got at home i find the pistols a lot more challenging. Plus i have all variations of 13xx and 22xx possible, all made from parts from the bench.. I love to have forum for pistols only because it will make searching for answers a little easier... Plus is true. extending your arm and looking through open sights at a can 30 yards away and knocking it of the bench is sooooo rewarding...
Plus i like to hunt with pistols as much as rifles as you must use a lot more fieldcraft to get in range. Unless i get this disco based pistol working right... 700 fps in.22 does a number on rabbits at the farm... only 4 shots, but "dang"!!! accurate, and flat shooting out to 45 yards... and those are shots i reserved for well scoped rifles.
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Although it's probably overkill at this point, I'll chime in as being strongly in favor of a "gate"/subforum dedicated to air pistols. I enjoy shooting all types of air guns, but I'm almost always drawn to my two pumpers (Crosman 1377 and 1322 - with long steel breeches and Ralph Brown grips and "super pumpers") when I'm in the mood to plink or to shoot targets without any pressure. It would be fun to have a place on GTA where I could see how other folks are using their air pistols, customizing and modifying them, etc.
Keep shootin' and keep smilin',
Kev
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Although I enjoy my rifles, I'm primarily a pistol shooter. I get the most fun shooting springer pistols and own four of them. I enjoy disassembling them to be cleaned and properly lubed. Since I shoot them at targets, I've set up a range in the cellar, and use a good sized circuit-breaker box filled with duct seal.
I'd welcome the addition of a pistol forum. That would make pistol related posts easier to locate, and would
make for a central place for pistol related discussions. You've got my vote! RC
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Using a "good sized circuit breaker box" is a great idea. That is what I intended to do until I got to Lowe's and saw the prices. Ugh. Just by accident, I stopped in at the local Office Depot for printer paper, and I saw a "Master Padlock Cash Box". This is the 10" X 14"ish black metal box that anyone would use when they sell tickets at the door of your pot-luck supper. There is a plastic tray inside for coins and bills. The lid has a handle on it. It was very inexpensive ... I think I paid less than $10 for it. There is a combination lock on it but I can't think of any reason why I would use it.
I have 5 or 6 "bricks" of that electrical pipe sealant pressed into the bottom of the box. I stand it on the narrow end and the lid hinges open and keeps it standing up straight. I can put it almost anywhere. I print my downloaded targets on my computer printer, hold them in place by folding them so they are just a little bigger than the box and pressing them into the box, and, when I am done, I put the unused targets into the box, close the lid, and carry it away. It would actually serve as a smallish range box as it would also hold pellets, oil, rags, etc. The box is about 4" or so deep and the sealant takes up about 1.5". The lid adds another inch when it is closed.
As a bonus, the plastic coin tray sits on my workbench and is a perfect place to put all those little screws, nuts and washers that you have when you take something apart, Those coin sections are sloped to make it easy to get the coins out and they really pays off when trying to get the little nuts and bolts out too. All in all, it turned out to be a really good deal. I think that I have less than $25 invested in the whole thing.
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I just had another thought ... there already is at least one other "pistol only" forum, but it is for Crosman pistol owners. I think the benefit of doing this is to hear what other people have to say who own pistols that I don't have, or never heard of, or will never be able to afford. So, I would like to see a small group of people who have experience with high end shooting join in with the rest of us and be able to pass their knowledge of competition and training and modding and customizing and on and on. What is the reaction of the rest of you to the idea of starting a new one? I even have a name ... the Art of Air-pistols Arena ... AAA. I would even do it myself if I had so much as a hint as to how to do it. I don't have a clue. We would want a pretty capable computer nerd and pistol lover to put the pieces together. Let's have a little discussion on that.
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You're right about the cost of a circuit breaker box. I figured it a one time deal so I picked one up and removed the guts of the thing and filled it with the duct seal.
There is an 'Other Airgunning' sub forum on the Crosman forum which gets much use for those of us who enjoy and shoot other brands, rifle or pistol. RC
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I am researching CO2 BB pistol, just for a fun gun, and looking at a .22 single shot for squirrels. I realized I should just pop over here to GTA, the best resource for all airguns, and check the pistol gate for some info. Imagine my surprise when I realized there is no pistol gate!
Any news from the mods on this? I really think it would be a benefit to the users.
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I am a casual 10m AP shooter.
Have not shot competition in a few years, but I remember some of the matches.
While I am primarily an AP shooter, I seem to have "collected" more ARs than APs.
I also have a facination for low powered target/starter/training rifles.
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I have just received my first air pistol from pyramid. Walther CP88 4" in nickle. I fired 104 rounds with the first CO2 cylinder. This is pretty cool, an 8 round revolver clip goes really fast when you don't have to cock a springer or pump a pumper. I think I am really going to like this gun. It feels rather similar to my 9mm auto, even the weight is close. I would like to enhance the view of the sights, black is hard for my old eyes to see clearly. Has anyone painted them? I was thinking Hot lime green for the rear and Hot orange for the front. Or maybe just Dots instead of painting the entire sight. I am definitely more accurate with the RWS 34, Ha!
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I have just received my first air pistol from pyramid. Walther CP88 4" in nickle. I fired 104 rounds with the first CO2 cylinder. This is pretty cool, an 8 round revolver clip goes really fast when you don't have to cock a springer or pump a pumper. I think I am really going to like this gun. It feels rather similar to my 9mm auto, even the weight is close. I would like to enhance the view of the sights, black is hard for my old eyes to see clearly. Has anyone painted them? I was thinking Hot lime green for the rear and Hot orange for the front. Or maybe just Dots instead of painting the entire sight. I am definitely more accurate with the RWS 34, Ha!
Even painting just the back of the front blade will help a lot. That way, you are lining up a Hot Orange blade in a black background (which strikes me as as a better setup than Hot Orange in Hot Lime green, simply because of the better contrast).
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My CP99 has an orange front sight, I left the rear black. Orange is definitely easier for my middle age eyes to see. The colored sight is primarily for GP/action shooting where the background is in varying colors and light levels. Target shooting is still ruled by BLACK sights, primarily because the background is light in color.
I tried shooting my CP99 in DA mode, but the trigger pull was so heavy/long that my accuracy went to pot.
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I am researching CO2 BB pistol, just for a fun gun, and looking at a .22 single shot for squirrels. I realized I should just pop over here to GTA, the best resource for all airguns, and check the pistol gate for some info. Imagine my surprise when I realized there is no pistol gate!
Any news from the mods on this? I really think it would be a benefit to the users.
I highly recommend a Crosman 2240 for a .22 CO2 pistol. For squirrels, you might want to consider a Crosman 1322, a pumper, because of the ability to pump more for more power.
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No more Gates. Please!
Disagree, pistol gate would be good. No one has to visit a gate they don't like.