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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: lizzie on May 10, 2012, 12:15:14 AM
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Which one would you choose, and why?
I'm thinking I would really like to have one or the other- actually, I'd like to have both, but if you had to choose between the two, which one would it be?
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I'd go with the R7 myself. I shoot it a LOT more than my HW80, aka R1. For me personally, I find the R1 a bit long overall. I wish I had a shorter, carbine barrel on mine. That said, the R7 is a bit small for me, but its so easy to cock, I end up shooting it frequently at my spinners and other targets off the back porch.
Now, for serious hunting, I might opt for the R1 over the R7, as the R7 can't be used on larger-sized quarry, where good power is needed for a clean kill.
Either one has a great trigger, very nice shape, and is well built. I'd get both and then sell off one if you don't like it, though I doubt that'd be the case! ;D
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Only had the R9 and HW30. The 30 is still here. Just way more fun to play with all day long. Now if you need power then the 9 may be the way to go.
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Unless you hunt, the R7/30S hands down is the choice. Hunting, the R1/80 in .22 shines.
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The only killing I do is sparrows and starlings at 75-100 feet, so would the R7 do? I kind of like the idea of smaller. What's the gneneral velocity for the R7?
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I grab the R7 probably 60%-70% of the time I shoot.
Easy to cock, quiet and super accurate.
They shoot about 620-650fps with 7-8gr. pellets. Not a powerhouse, but more than enough for small game inside of 30 yards.
Good luck choosing.
R
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R7 all the way. From what i've heard, it is the "perfect" springer, very smooth, easy cocking, no hold sensitivity, low velocities, 9FPE of power.
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I have to choose one ;D
Well for me it would be the r1 in .22 for hunting at greater distance than my .177 r9
If my quarry would come up to my porch or closer than 30 yds the r7/ hw30 is heralded as
fun and accurate.
Aoa has an hw 30 in their used section right now for 225 ;D
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R7 for those distance and critters. Least thats my opinion.
Dave
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most R7/HW30's 0nly shoot mid/hi 5's with 7.9gr pellets out of the box and starlings are pretty tuff birds to kill! I'm not sayin a 30 won't do the job but IMO I'd want a little more power for a clean kill unless your able to consistently make a head shot with a lowered powered gun at 30yds or less! I have a friend who has a pest control business and I have gone out with him into business to do bird shoots inside of places where they make feed type food for animals and believe me when I tell you I've had allot of trigger time with various low powered guns shooting all types of birds mainly sparrows and starlings and pigeons, and I used a detuned R9 in .177cal @ 650fps that was accurate as I could shoot it! and I had allot of fly offs unless it was a head shot! especially if it was a starling or bigger bird! IMO a lowered powered 22cal in the 650 to 700fps range is a much better choice for the shooting the range's your shooting, I've taken many crows and pigeons sized birds with a gun that shoot in this range out to 65 and 75yds with one shot kills and at 30yds with my HW95 that shoots 640fps with 14.3gr CPHP's on crows and pigeons I don't get a pass thru but I get a dead bird! cause the pellet uses all it energy, IMO and HW50's would be better suited in .177cal or .22cal for what your doing JMO, the HW80 I have posted for sale shoots in the 665 to 700fps range and its a custom carbine it would be a good choice for what your doing but its a bigger gun than a R7 but it'll handle your pest problems much better than an a R7 JMO :P
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hey-Hey!!!,
Given your target, I'd want 16-18 FPE. That puts R7 out of the running. It would be R1 w/no questions if there was to be any hunting. That said, I'd probably just tune down my RX2...if for some reason I felt like playing with it( and that day is comming ).
cheers,
Douglas
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Meet in between. HW50s.
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I have both, the R7(HW30) is more fun to shoot, easy to cock and carry, and extremely accurate. The R1(HW80) is heavy and harder to cock, but mine still makes 16+ FPE and puts pellets right where you point it, 1/2" groups at 30 yards are easy. I bought both of these guns in the mid 80's, and both still have their original springs and seals. Both are good choices, in your case I'd probably go for the R7. Mine still shoots CPHP's at 640 fps, adequite for your purposes with good shot placement.
Larry
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Easy.
Take what you would spend on the R1
Go get the R7 and a Benji 392. Clean the paint out of the end of the 392 bbl, and polish the trigger.
15 ftlb gun with good accuracy to 50 yds---392--for when you need power on tap.
R-7 for fun plinking.
God bless,
Farmer
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While the R-7 would be capable of pesting your intended targets at your specified range, the bigger question I think is would you be more comfortable with the smaller lighter gun or the longer heavier one? The extra weight and length of the R-1 might make it more tiring for longer shooting sessions. The extra weight will help with the recoil and firing behavior, though.
Why not look at a R-1/HW-80 carbine, so you'll get a more compact rifle. I think Mark made some real good points.
Just my $0.03
Nathan
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Thanks everyone! :)
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Lizzie,
I devoutly hope that you paid no attention to those suggesting that you get the R-1! Perhaps they just forgot that you are a woman with slighter build and less muscle mass than young men. You would NOT enjoy an R-1!
They are heavy! They are a brute to cock even in comparison with your M-34s. And the short-barreled Karbine version would only exacerbate the cocking effort.
Conversely the R-7 is the right prescription for your malady. It excels in such duty---and has the accuracy for the job. If a sweeter shooting springer has ever been made no one has stumbled across it. Small wonder then that you see so few used ones for sale. People tend to make keepers of them.
Powerwise an R-7 will produce energy virtually identical to your 2100 at 10 pumps. Entirely adequate for the duties you envisage when properly applied. HTH, Tom
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Tom I have to disagree with you my HW80 weighs a tic under 8lbs same weight as a 34 and it doesn't have a full power kit in it so it cocks about the same as a 34 as well! and its not a brute in anyway! :P
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I know its always more fun to get a new gun, but I think you might already have what you are looking for in your FWB124. Its as easy to cock as an R7, but has the power and size more like a detuned R9. While the triggers not a Rekord, I find it to be very good and at least on par with a Diana trigger.
Sorry my idea isn't the most "fun". :'(
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I agree I think she does too! she also has an HW35! :P
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I didn't know about the HW35 too, hehe. Maybe having that spoiled her for the Rekord trigger and she just wants more? I can't say I blame her... :o
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ya its tuff to beat the rekord! :P
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My HW80 with Tasco World Class 4-16x40mm AO scope and SportsMatch mounts weighs ten pounds even. Cocking effort is 36 pounds on my bathroom scale. ??? It's a great gun, I wouldn't sell it, but it's a handful. My HW30, with a 4x32 scope, just tops 7 pounds. I couldn't get an accurate cocking effort, but it's easier than the 80, by a good margin.
Larry
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theirs no doubt the R7/HW30 will cock way easier than the R1 its really no comparison between the 2 guns at all other than their made be HW my HW80 has a chopped barrel that's 14 or 15'' long with a delrin MB and un scoped it just under 8lbs, the 30 is a good gun for as small as it is but I don't feel comfortable shooting birds that are starling sized with one more than 25yds away because as I've said their tuff to kill! :P
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Will only comment R7's are indeed SWEET little springers !!
Personally feel a tad weak for hunting duty other than tweedy birds
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go with the inbetween r9 with power closer to the r1 and accuracy and cocking ease near the r7 and lighter than r1, best of both worlds. suggest 20 cal but 177 using ftt,fts and kodiak are very accurate and deadly to small game.
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Lizzie,
I devoutly hope that you paid no attention to those suggesting that you get the R-1! Perhaps they just forgot that you are a woman with slighter build and less muscle mass than young men. You would NOT enjoy an R-1!
They are heavy! They are a brute to cock even in comparison with your M-34s. And the short-barreled Karbine version would only exacerbate the cocking effort.
Conversely the R-7 is the right prescription for your malady. It excels in such duty---and has the accuracy for the job. If a sweeter shooting springer has ever been made no one has stumbled across it. Small wonder then that you see so few used ones for sale. People tend to make keepers of them.
Powerwise an R-7 will produce energy virtually identical to your 2100 at 10 pumps. Entirely adequate for the duties you envisage when properly applied. HTH, Tom
The bolded is what I was afraid of. The 34 is about as difficult to cock as I would be interested in shooting. It's not hard for me, but if it was harder, it would be a hassle. Thanks for that input.
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I didn't know about the HW35 too, hehe. Maybe having that spoiled her for the Rekord trigger and she just wants more? I can't say I blame her... :o
Hehe- that's it! ;D
Just need another toy to play with, lol.
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Sounds to me like the HW 50 is the one you are looking for. I don't own one so can't speak from experience, but it's more powerful than the R7/HW30 yet smaller and lighter than the D34 or HW95. Benji 397 with peep might work too--but triggerwise, a Rekord it ain't.
Scotty
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Sounds to me like the HW 50 is the one you are looking for. I don't own one so can't speak from experience, but it's more powerful than the R7/HW30 yet smaller and lighter than the D34 or HW95. Benji 397 with peep might work too--but triggerwise, a Rekord it ain't.
Scotty
I do not own a HW gun, however, I have shot a fully tuned HW50 and I will tell you that I was making amazing groups at 50-60 yards. The trigger is one of the MAIN reason for the accuracy in an HW gun with a Rekord trigger. I say go ahead and get an HW50 and for the heck of it go ahead and tune it if funds allow, you will be a happy happy camper!
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Liz, that's kind of like asking, .44 Magnum or .22, LOL! One is a LOT more gun than the other. In fact, the R1 is a bit over-volumed for the .177, although there are those who will argue the point. As said, an R7 would be just adding more levels of decision making when reaching for a gun to whack that starling. "Let's see.....Diana 35? No.........124? Maybe,........OK, the R7. Aw, shucks, now where'd he go?"
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Forgot to mention that Vortex has a new kit for the R7/HW30 I have shot it and man is it sweet. A tad more power and the smoothest shot cycle you could ask for, from a springer. Was very easy to cock.
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My friend just purchased a R9 and I was very impressed with it's accuracy right out of the box. Shooting off the bench it competed with my RWS 54. Great gun for the money and not too powerful to become overly hold sensitive.
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All good suggestions and I agree with everything posted for the most part. Now allow me to toss the proverbial 'wrench on the cogs'. For your intended use on sparrows and starlings, why not go a different route such as a single stroke pneumatic like an older FWB 600 or something in the same class where accuracy rules supreme. Although they are ten meter mid 500 fps shooters, do you think you need much more power when you aiming at a head shot!?!?! You can scope them too. Now the flip side is they are heavier, but as Nathan pointed out, weigh can and will help steady the rifle. A true match trigger is nothing like you've ever experienced before in any springer. And the added advantage of a fully adjustable stock makes them "fit like a glove". Yeah when you bust a sparrow at 25/30 yards with a precisly placed head shot, with a 7 grainned wad-cutter,.....well that's something to be proud of. Just something to think about mind you :)
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My friend just purchased a R9 and I was very impressed with it's accuracy right out of the box. Shooting off the bench it competed with my RWS 54. Great gun for the money and not too powerful to become overly hold sensitive.
The r9 is one of my favorites. It doesn't have the power of some of my other airguns, but it's easy to carry and sweet shooting. It also has plenty of power for sparrows and pigeons.
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That is the very reason the R9 is such a sweet gun, the fact that it is not too powerful. Once a springer becomes magnum rated they are too powerful to be accurate. And they become unenjoyable and frustrating to shoot. The R9 is a perfect balance of power, accuracy, and value.
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I put my vote in for the R7.
Never fired one (outside a store) but they are one of the smoothest, sweetest shooters I have ever felt from the single shot I took inside a store (into a pellet trap of course). That was many years ago and I still remember it.