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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => Turkish AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Mike 4888blues on April 13, 2012, 11:24:06 PM
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This walter falcon hunter does not have the quattro trigger but does have the sas stock mount
Now that the moller rams are ordered.
I took the wfh apart, and it has very little pre load, 3'' was sticking out when the pressure was off completely with the end cap still on.
I was very surprised to see how easy it was, as i was expecting the worst from all this talk about how tuners will not work on them?? whats up with that?
the piston looks awesome big, the spring is big and long, the spring guide inside the piston is big and heavy and long it even has a thin plastic like friction washers to aid it to twist freely, the rifles mechanical s is absolutely awesome well made.
the wfh should be very easy to mod with the gas ram probably the easiest due to the way the end piece that hold the spring guide on, it almost looks like its designed to be converted but I know it was just by happenstance.
You make a adapter with a recess for the rams body on one side,the opposite side is drilled to fit over the 1/4'' post on end of receiver, done that's it.
I THINK GENE made something similar out of aluminum on one of his gas ram conversions, I like that ideal.
p m whitefang he has the entire pdf file on the conversion, I will make mine differently
inside the piston will need a center pivot point for the ram to rest into that's no big deal.
I am thinking of a reamed out cut off piece of steel round stock or delrin pipe, drilled centered with the divit, cut and shaped to be pressed fit until it is seated at the bottom of piston.
there is already the mod someone used with those two brass well pipe caps, but i don't know if i like it, i want the contour of the rams arm to match what its seated against something with a divit to pivit lol
inside the piston the bottom is thick so if some one had means they could drill it to make there own dimple divit. as long as you had proper means cause you want that dead center.
But until I get into it I am just saying what I see visually in the end it all has to work, the I. D. of the piston is like 7/8 that will leave very little for a guide spacer to protect the rams body from rubbing on the pistons opening. but as usual something can be had to pro mote protection.
Just a quick run down , if any one was interested/ Mc Master Carr
awesome place to get all kinds of parts// magnum116 turned me on to them
God I love this stuff lol
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Mike,
Can you give me an outside diameter of the Receiver Tube and the length of the Receiver Tube ?
Also, a weight of the stock by itself and the weight of the assembled rifle ?
I want to compare it to the 135 when I can get that info.
Thanks !
Dave
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WoW, I expected the Walter Falcon hunter to be the same as the 125 inside. Piston is different, the 125 does not have a spring guide inside the piston and the end cap on the 125 is much longer and has 3 pins.
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WoW, I expected the Walter Falcon hunter to be the same as the 125 inside. Piston is different, the 125 does not have a spring guide inside the piston and the end cap on the 125 is much longer and has 3 pins.
Mike's WFH is not a QUATTRO trigger model . . . That may make a difference ?
I'd like to document any difference between "Hatsan" brand rifles, versus, "Walther" branded rifles . . .
Dave
Dave
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there is already the mod someone used with those two brass well pipe caps, but i don't know if i like it, i want the contour of the rams arm to match what its seated against something with a divit to pivit lol
Mike,
Were those the "PEX Plugs" ?
Dave
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Mike,
Can you give me an outside diameter of the Receiver Tube and the length of the Receiver Tube ?
Also, a weight of the stock by itself and the weight of the assembled rifle ?
I want to compare it to the 135 when I can get that info.
Thanks !
Dave
Dave.
the outside diameter of the receiver tube is 32.94 mm/ measured at the receivers cocking shoe inlet .
the receivers total length is 17'' .
the weight of the stock is 2.lbs.02
the rifle weight reassembled less my complete trigger assembly, safety,and trigger guard and its two screws is 7lbs 9 oz :
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there is already the mod someone used with those two brass well pipe caps, but i don't know if i like it, i want the contour of the rams arm to match what its seated against something with a divit to pivit lol
Mike,
Were those the "PEX Plugs" ?
Dave
yeah the brass pex plugs whitefang has the pdf on that conversion pm him and have him send it to you
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WoW, I expected the Walter Falcon hunter to be the same as the 125 inside. Piston is different, the 125 does not have a spring guide inside the piston and the end cap on the 125 is much longer and has 3 pins.
Mike's WFH is not a QUATTRO trigger model . . . That may make a difference ?
I'd like to document any difference between "Hatsan" brand rifles, versus, "Walther" branded rifles . . .
Dave
Dave
hi Dave
well this trigger is a off shoot of the quattro trigger I am guessing because of how the pins are and the similarity, how ever this has one large main trigger retaining pin where the quattro trigger had two that allows the entire trigger assembly in tack with the metal casing to come out
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Mike, I think ya forgot the "n" on "whitefang's" name. LOL
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WoW, I expected the Walter Falcon hunter to be the same as the 125 inside. Piston is different, the 125 does not have a spring guide inside the piston and the end cap on the 125 is much longer and has 3 pins.
this wfh model has the sas but not the quattro so the trigger assembly would be different then your 125 which has the quattro trigger assembly
Did you look inside your piston to see if the bottom was dished out in the middle as if it was ready for a gas rams piston arm / having the divit
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the outside diameter of the receiver tube is 32.94 mm/ measured at the receivers cocking shoe inlet .
the receivers total length is 17'' .
the weight of the stock is 2.lbs.02
the rifle weight reassembled less my complete trigger assembly, safety,and trigger guard and its two screws is 7lbs 9 oz[/color][/b] :
Mike,
Thanks so much for making those measurements for me !
What does the Trigger Assembly weigh ?
Thanks !
Dave
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i'll get right back in a min dave with that info
ok all the other pieces weigh 6 oz .2
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Mike, I think ya forgot the "n" on "whitefang's" name. LOL
lol
hi lamchops i adjusted it lol and even gave him a little color with a slant
hey my friend did you notice i went johnny cash black now no more colors from now on lol
except a tid bit at times .
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WoW, I expected the Walter Falcon hunter to be the same as the 125 inside. Piston is different, the 125 does not have a spring guide inside the piston and the end cap on the 125 is much longer and has 3 pins.
well don't forget this model as stated at top of page is older beings it says it does not have the quattro trigger.
does make you wonder why the change was necessary ,in the piston and top hat parts
makes you wonder what they were thinking hey maybe that's why my wfh was getting 958 fps in a .22
I just thought of that hhmm
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Mike, I think ya forgot the "n" on "whitefang's" name. LOL
lol
hi lamchops i adjusted it lol and even gave him a little color with a slant
hey my friend did you notice i went johnny cash black now no more colors from now on lol
except a tid bit at times .
No it's cool man, forget about it. Use whatever colors you like bro. I'm okay with it.
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this is excellent info. !!!!!!!!!!!
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ok all the other pieces weigh 6 oz .2
Mike,
So, that is 6.2 oz , right ?
Dave
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the weight of the stock is 2.lbs.02
Mike,
Is that 2.02 lb, 2.2 lb, or 2 lb, 2 oz ?
Thanks,
Dave
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the weight of the stock is 2.lbs.02
Mike,
Is that 2.02 lb, 2.2 lb, or 2 lb, 2 oz ?
Thanks,
Dave
Hi Dave its 2 lbs/ zero ounces/ 2.02 meaning 2 lbs and .02 of a ounce
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Mike, I think ya forgot the "n" on "whitefang's" name. LOL
lol
hi lamchops i adjusted it lol and even gave him a little color with a slant
hey my friend did you notice i went johnny cash black now no more colors from now on lol
except a tid bit at times .
No it's cool man, forget about it. Use whatever colors you like bro. I'm okay with it.
lol ok bro, I will try not to get carried away, I was having to much fun lol
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If anyone is interested in using the Pex fittings, I am the one who did the write up....and made the poly adapter to center the base of the gas spring at the rear of the receiver. I will be glad to help, if I can.
Mark
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the weight of the stock is 2.lbs.02
Mike,
Is that 2.02 lb, 2.2 lb, or 2 lb, 2 oz ?
Thanks,
Dave
Hi Dave its 2 lbs/ zero ounces/ 2.02 meaning 2 lbs and .02 of a ounce
Mike,
OK . . . gotcha . . . Thanks for those numbers !
Dave
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If anyone is interested in using the Pex fittings, I am the one who did the write up....and made the poly adapter to center the base of the gas spring at the rear of the receiver. I will be glad to help, if I can.
Mark
Mark,
ALL contributions are WELCOME here !
Dave
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If anyone is interested in using the Pex fittings, I am the one who did the write up....and made the poly adapter to center the base of the gas spring at the rear of the receiver. I will be glad to help, if I can.
Mark
Thanks Mark, it was a great write up, great ideals too, it got me going into right direction.
I will see what the rams shafts comes back as flat or beveled. I was going to used delrin rod and shaped for the divit or flat possibly i may grind the end of shaft so it is beveled if it comes with the end flat
Mike
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If anyone is interested in using the Pex fittings, I am the one who did the write up....and made the poly adapter to center the base of the gas spring at the rear of the receiver. I will be glad to help, if I can.
Mark
Thanks Mark, it was a great write up, great ideals too, it got me going into right direction.
I will see what the rams shafts comes back as flat or beveled. I was going to used derlin rod and shaped for the divit or flat possibly i may grind the end of shaft so it is beveled if it comes with the end flat
Mike
The shaft ends on the N-forcers I got were flat. The Crosman XL NP is bevelled or slightly pointed, depending on how you want to look at it.
I would recommend you check the "through hole" in the stock where the rear trigger screw goes passes through to attach to the male/female bolt in the rear of the action. Mine started to tear out, so I installed a bronze bushing using epoxy for that screw to pass through. No more thread tearing into the plastic of the stock. Also reduced the "rattle".
Mark
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If anyone is interested in using the Pex fittings, I am the one who did the write up....and made the poly adapter to center the base of the gas spring at the rear of the receiver. I will be glad to help, if I can.
Mark
Thanks Mark, it was a great write up, great ideals too, it got me going into right direction.
I will see what the rams shafts comes back as flat or beveled. I was going to used derlin rod and shaped for the divit or flat possibly i may grind the end of shaft so it is beveled if it comes with the end flat
Mike
The shaft ends on the N-forcers I got were flat. The Crosman XL NP is bevelled or slightly pointed, depending on how you want to look at it.
I would recommend you check the "through hole" in the stock where the rear trigger screw goes passes through to attach to the male/female bolt in the rear of the action. Mine started to tear out, so I installed a bronze bushing using epoxy for that screw to pass through. No more thread tearing into the plastic of the stock. Also reduced the "rattle".
Mark
Yeah my stocks large trigger hole is open on one side, great ideal I''ll get one
where did you get yours ace hard ware?
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I got mine at True Value, but any hardware store that has the separate plastic bins with discreet hardware should have them. The one I got was flanged on one end, so I had to drill a slight recess to accomodate the flange. Set in real tight and no more loosening at the rear of the receiver.
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I just got the WFH back together. Got the nitro all out and the factory spring in. The rear block has the 3rd hole in it but is not used. Freaking gun now is a beast to cock. 4" of the barrel does make a difference on the spring vs nitro. Gun is a handful but accurate. Conversion parts for gas ram was simple. Upper piston had only a divete hole for the ram. No guides. Ram body had whatever looked like the bushing offered on lone for the Crosman. The bushing allowed the piston a guide for the ram. Rear ram adapter was a sleeve that slide over the end of the ram about 1 1/2". Then receiver size on the far end. .22 WFH is going to the the gang now to make room for the new members. I have plenty of .22 guns. .25 learning curve has bee a great move for me.
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??? By the way the trigger housing has to be removed to get the spring/ ram out. This was a nightmare!!!! Thought I would not ever get it apart. Great learning curve. Hated it to start off. Sure was not an RWS. But now after having to go back into it not a problem.
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WHITEFANG,
Can you give us a mini review on your new gas rammed 22 cal. air rifle ? Brent
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Only review I could give you is the de nitro of the WFH. True springer now with more HP. Abreast to cock and much more fps.
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Wait till you see the gas pistons Mike is going to install. I dont think a spring will touch them. Stay tuned, film at 11.......