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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => German AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Derrick87 on April 04, 2012, 09:33:48 PM
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instead of getting a 350 mag or 48 I'm just gonna go for the best
so i need your opinions on what gun
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Beeman is the way to go man. Beeman R9 combo at PA, or Beeman R11, Beeman RX2.
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I'd buy a Theoben Rapid MKII in .22cal and call it a Day! or if you want a gas ram a Theoben Crusader JMO :P
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Beeman is the way to go man. Beeman R9 combo at PA, or Beeman R11, Beeman RX2.
yea i was looking at the rx2 is that the best beeman gun?
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What exactly will your shooting be for? That may very well dictate what you need. As far as a Beeman...............hard to go wrong with any of the higher end pieces.
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What exactly will your shooting be for? That may very well dictate what you need. As far as a Beeman...............hard to go wrong with any of the higher end pieces.
hunting/everything
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What Mark said.
Richard
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Beeman is the way to go man. Beeman R9 combo at PA, or Beeman R11, Beeman RX2.
yea i was looking at the rx2 is that the best beeman gun?
Yes, that is the "best" Beeman gun, i.e, the costliest.
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Beeman is the way to go man. Beeman R9 combo at PA, or Beeman R11, Beeman RX2.
yea i was looking at the rx2 is that the best beeman gun?
I'm sure you're aware of this, but it takes 46# to cock the RX2, not my choice for a gun I'd be plinking with. It's also loud, if that makes any difference to you
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Hmmm thats a good budget....I know this ain't German but a 25 cal Marauder and a nice 4500 PSI tank....fairly quiet, groups well and a hammer
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Hmmm thats a good budget....I know this ain't German but a 25 cal Marauder and a nice 4500 PSI tank....fairly quiet, groups well and a hammer
I have to agree from what I have read of these guns. It is on my short list too.
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hey-Hey!!!,
An RX2 is one sweet piece, no doubt about it. If the cocking effort gets you worried consider looking for an RX1 safe-queen... No scratch that...that's what I'm doing...:) The R1 is a short 3/4 the cocking effort of the RX2 at more like 85% of the power. The R9 is lower power than the R1 and has 5/4 the cocking effort thanks to its short barrel; the R9 is very close to RX2 territory in that regard. R1 in .22 without a scope or sights is only $614 or so...that is hard to beat IMO.
cheers,
Douglas
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But if your looking for a break barrel with hunting potential the R11 is a sweet looking piece and I would opt for the .20 caliber in that gun for the velocity and added punch of fpe over the .177 caliber.
I may have to put this gun on my list somewhere down the road to get.
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instead of getting a 350 mag or 48 I'm just gonna go for the best
so i need your opinions on what gun
I could sell you a brand new R9 with my Full Tune for less than that.
Rob
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Man o man what a budget. Thats a nice pcp setup or a r-1 or rx-2. I would recommend a rws 54 or 470 th if it was mostly target work. I have a 470 that is crazy accurate for a springer. I dont own an r series gun but have looked alot and since you knocked the 350 out right off the bat i think that would leave the r1 rx2.
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I love my R series airguns, and the RX2 is definitely on my short list. Currently, I'm shooting the HW97k a great deal, and it is awesome! I vote for the RX2 because I want one too.
PCP is great too, but I got tired of lugging the scuba tank around.
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Two comments on the RX series. 1) They are heavy guns, even with the gas piston in place of the spring. Something to think about in the woods all day. 2) It takes a fair bit to cock one, so they aren't dual-purpose, take to the bench for an hour guns. With that out of the way, I think they make a pretty ideal, HIGH POWER hunting rifle. The triggers are very good - not target but certainly great for the field - and you can cock it and then go about the business of hunting without worrying about spring fatigue. Certainly has to make stalking easier on easily spooked game. I'm not sure if the new guns have the readily adjustable ram, but a pump and gauge will allow you to "detune" one at which point you have an R9 or even R7 for short range/plinking. Were I to buy one today, I would see if that pump and gauge kit were still available. If you're paying that much for the gun, might as well throw in a little bit more.
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instead of getting a 350 mag or 48 I'm just gonna go for the best
so i need your opinions on what gun
Does that mean spring-gun only? If so, 1) Theoben SLR 2) Air Arms Pro Elite 3) Weihrauch/Beeman. + great scope and great mounts like Sportsmatch or BKL and you are at youR $1000+.
Also, look at the new Walther LGV, it is supposed to be the epitome of new spring gun design.
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For your money you can also go retro. A really nice FWB124D with good glass can be had for about half of what you are looking at. Not a powerhouse compared to a 350 but certainly a "high class" number.
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Good call RedFeather, we tend to forget that the 124 is a gem of engineering and quality.
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I'd buy a Theoben Rapid MKII in .22cal and call it a Day!
This, or a Daystate Air Ranger in .25.
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With a budget of a grand or more, for me it would be a tough choice between a whole lot of different airguns. I'd probably go with the Beeman RX-2. Even then, choosing a caliber and scope would be very tough. Probably either in .20 or .25, and as for optics- I wouldn't know where to start.
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hey-Hey!!!,
The optics on an RX2 are important. I wish I chold get a firm answer like this, " xxxx will stand up to the RX2's recoil". I just ate a Bushy Trophy XLT scope with mine and now I'm gettin' a bit twitchy...:) Probably going to try a BSA Stealth Tactical with AO and 3-9 power...or maybe an 8-32x44 with a side wheel...or...and so on and so forth.
If you want a .22 RX2, go now to Yellow with $575. If I didn't have my 20 cal already, that beast would be MINE!
cheers,
Douglas
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If I was looking for the best airgun, period, I would give a long look at FX. MOst of the models can be had or ordered in .25 cal as well, which is a huge advantage at long ranges.
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If I was looking for the best airgun, period, I would give a long look at FX. MOst of the models can be had or ordered in .25 cal as well, which is a huge advantage at long ranges.
Look at ammo selection. area v. mass for one. Then see what comes in the Match graded sizes. I believe .22 leads that parade...not sure there is a big advantage to .25 guns.
cheers,
Douglas
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Theoben....
both in springer & PCP
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If I was looking for the best airgun, period, I would give a long look at FX. MOst of the models can be had or ordered in .25 cal as well, which is a huge advantage at long ranges.
Look at ammo selection. area v. mass for one. Then see what comes in the Match graded sizes. I believe .22 leads that parade...not sure there is a big advantage to .25 guns.
cheers,
Douglas
Yet a .25 cal Marauder will have nearly double the residual energy at 50+ yards of the .22. Accuracy is pretty close between the two, so why not be shooting something with about the same power as a .22 CB round if you can get away with it?
(check out Youtube - there's a nearly hour long video of the .22 & .25 Marauder and about 20 pellets)
Long story short, at 60 yards, the velocities between the .25 and .22 were nearly the same. Obviously, the power wasn't given the average weight of the .25s being usually twice as heavy. 39:15 in that video lets you hear the difference in the impacts. Basically the .25 is in the 25ft-lb range at the target, and that's more than some of the .22s do at the muzzle.
The .25 is a clear winner for long-range hunting. Yes, the pellet selection could be better, but you only really need to find 1 or 2 that work and stick with them.
Note, for $1000, a highly tuned. 25 cal Marauder would be ideal. Quiet, powerful, and that would give you a "do anything" gun.
Pyramid Air has theirs for about $480. Figure another $150 for a mid-size nice pony tank and another $50 for a good valve and $20 for a short hose. Add in mounts and a good scope and you're looking at around $800-$1000 depending on the scope you choose.
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and with the Maurauder you won't have to worry about finding the most robust scope on the planet to live under the springer's destructive recoil either... I have to say that the m-rod with a disco hand pump would suit me and my tastes pretty well.
And I need to be a better shot, more practice there will be ov great use.
and on the pellet size; I was mistaken in part. Take the Kodiak for example. 13.35 for 20 cal, 20% larger area 22 cal is 21 grains, and the 25 cal at 56% more area than a 20 cal comes in at 31 gr. Sectional density ( and balistic coefficient ) goes to the 25 cal by a not-small margin.
Now to the small bit I wasn't wrong about...there are more graded sizes in 22 v. 25....
cheers,
Douglas