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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: bluzjamer on April 01, 2012, 11:06:52 PM
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Went to shoot my WFH 25 cal today and see what kind of chrony reading I would get.
Got this back from Rane Air last year and only shot it twice right after it came back to make sure it was functioning. Seemed smoother. Put it on the shelf until today. On the first cocking the stock broke in half at the pistol grip. Can these be glued back together? Any one know of replacement stocks or even if a wood stock would fit. I'm disgusted only have about 100 rounds through this. Will try to post some pics later. Their on my desktop.
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Sorry to hear that. I have heard the 4 screw stocks were prone to breakage but not there. Is it a 2 screw or 4 screw stock?
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Went to shoot my WFH 25 cal today and see what kind of chrony reading I would get.
Got this back from Rane Air last year and only shot it twice right after it came back to make sure it was functioning. Seemed smoother. Put it on the shelf until today. On the first cocking the stock broke in half at the pistol grip. Can these be glued back together? Any one know of replacement stocks or even if a wood stock would fit. I'm disgusted only have about 100 rounds through this. Will try to post some pics later. Their on my desktop.
I have a "theory" on how to repair the stock.
Cut a section of hardwood dowel ( 3/4" -1" diameter ) longer than the break ( longer is better ). . . The dowel will serve as a "stress rod" in the repair . . . Use two-part Epoxy glue to encase the dowel inside the stock. You could also use All-Thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9blvsPF_uCE&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL238D6EC9BD130C31#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9blvsPF_uCE&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL238D6EC9BD130C31#ws)
Dave
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Is this a synthetic stock that broke at the wrist of the butstock ?
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Hi tarheel,
I appreciate the tip but it won't work on a hollow plastic stock. I did use that to fix an Evanix stock but it was wood and broke almost in the same place. Must be jinxed to have that happen twice to me. I don't think any glue is strong enough to fix this. Maybe I can fill it with Bondo?
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Hi tarheel,
I appreciate the tip but it won't work on a hollow plastic stock. I did use that to fix an Evanix stock but it was wood and broke almost in the same place. Must be jinxed to have that happen twice to me. I don't think any glue is strong enough to fix this. Maybe I can fill it with Bondo?
I would still use some type of "reinforcing rod(s)" with whatever material you use.
Dave
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You might call Umarex for a replacement stock: phone#479-646-4210 ext 7. I hear their repair service isn't so good so its better to buy the stock and replace it yourself.
You might check if there are any fiberglass boat builders in your area. I'm thinking you might be able to fill the stock with epoxy mixed with fiberglass. I'm not experienced enough though, but a good boat builder might have the know how.
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Wow! Sorry to hear about your mishap, I always thought those synthetic stocks were solid, had no idea they were hollow. I don't know where you would find a replacement unless you order it from the manufacturer. Ive never seen one break that way. Looks like it may have been defective, even though that area is a weak spot it shouldn't have snappedd in half that way.
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You might call Umarex for a replacement stock: phone#479-646-4210 ext 7. I hear their repair service isn't so good so its better to buy the stock and replace it yourself.
You might check if there are any fiberglass boat builders in your area. I'm thinking you might be able to fill the stock with epoxy mixed with fiberglass. I'm not experienced enough though, but a good boat builder might have the know how.
Good idea . . . Throw in a couple sections of carbon fiber rod or tubing, or section from a STRONG fishing rod.
Dave
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If I were to fix it, and this is saying just if it were me since I'm not a "pro", just a guy whose been pretty successful with making garbage in his garage like show winning cars and drag bikes that place fastest elapsed time in their class at the Winter Nationals against "pro" built equipment. (Feeling a bit punchy today, ignore it lol)
If it were me, I rough up the interior surface of the stock around and as far back as possible from the break with a fine wire wheel or sandpaper, then I'd glue the stock together with some simple crazy glue and let it set. Once set, I'd fill the stock with Polyester Casting Resin like they use when working on boat hulls. The stuff will not break or come loose once its got adhesion. I've used it to cast oddball shapes and create custom parts to replace plastic ones.
Honestly though, I would not expect any miracles. Probably best just to get a new stock.
US Composites
Silmar 41 Clear Polyester Casting Resin
http://www.shopmaninc.com/polyesters.html (http://www.shopmaninc.com/polyesters.html)
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Hi Paul,
Yeah I was thinking along the same lines, will try to find a replacement stock first.
If I repair it, I would always be wondering when it was going to let go again. I think it would add too much weight also.
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That's a real shame. I had heard of the earlier ones cracking at the forestock bolts, but not at the grip!
Wait...just looked at the pictures. That is the SAS single bolt forestock. Strange!
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Yeah, it is. He also said another wood stock broke almost the same way. It might be time to look at how you're cocking your guns. If you are placing most of the stress on the butt of the gun, you might be overstressing the thinnest part at the handgrip area. That's about all I can figure.
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Just to clarify things, the stock broke as I just tapped the upper end of the barrel to get it ready to cock. It was a very light tap. The other stock that broke was a blizzard PCP gun.
It had a hairline break throught the same area. UPS picked it up to assess the damage and when I got it back as I was unpacking the gun the stock fell apart.
The WFH is a magnum AG that is meant to withstand stress. It requires a lot of cocking pressure. I know how to cock and airgun and am strong enough to follow through. This fell apart like a kids toy. I bought this from AirGuns Daily. It is very possible that UPS slammed the package and stressed the stock. They most likely caused the damage to the Evanix stock also. I'm just unlucky enough to get caught twice.
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sh!yte.........i mean shoot. the filler i use is water based and shouldn't be reacting w/ the plastic. can you email me and we can see if i can get you back to shooting .25. ranedouglas@yahoo.com. i'm a little slower at this lately, so please be patient. - paul d self.
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Bluzjamer and Paul, that looks preaty thick there on the stock wall, man thats umarex all the way, that is a defective stock, I BET THEY SEND YOU A BRAND NEW 2 HOLE STOCK. Here i'll give you guys Anna's contact info. She is a great customer support person. Just email her the pics of the stock and a explanation of what happened and that IT is all over the forums. I bet Umarex sends you a brand new stock asap. brent
Anna Dalton
Consumer Firearm Specialist
Umarex USA
7700 Chad Colley Blvd
Fort Smith, AR 72916
Ph (479)646-4210 Ext. 507
www.umarexusa.com (http://www.umarexusa.com)
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Z28
Anna already helped me just after I got this WFH. It arrived with a broken rear sight, which she took care of right away. She is the best. I've sent some emails and will see what I get for responses before I call her. The rifle looked like new, very surprised this happened.
I have all kinds of powder burners that I've shot for many years. Never have I had problems until I got into air guns.
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Well if Anna dosnt come thru for you I know Paul will try to make a few calls to them also.
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well if the rear site was bad that's a sign isn't it, maybe it had the stress crack and you never saw it. no way that should fall apart like a toy, with out having some kind of stress crack prior to falling apart so easily
man that's hard to even look at , if they dont replace the stock i be reinforcing it with 3/8 all thread rod epoxy it in place then seal the two parts with super something lol. then when cured fil the entire thing like the above member mention with that filler resin what ever it was, cant make it weigh more then the new 9 lb hatsans
hope they send you a new stock though
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I know that on the first generation of the WFH there was a huge batch of bad plastic stocks, Hatsan found the problem and changed the plastic formula in the stocks immediatly. When you called Umarex they would send you a stock for like $50 bucks if you rifle was over 1 year old. If it was under 1 year old it ws no cost, this is when the 4 hole stocks were all cracking. Basic rule dont buy a WFH if it has a 4 hole stock, unless you want problems. 2 hole stocks are generaly ok.
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Yeah I emailed Anna at Umarex. They want me to pay full price $112 shipped for another stock. I paid under $200 on sale for the whole gun with scope. This is clearly one of the bad batch of stocks that slipped through. This stock showed no signs of a problem and just fell in half. I hope the guys that are all running to buy new Hatsans see this and look at the Hatsan warranty and how the suppliers don't stand behind their product. This has not been a good experience.
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That not worthy. Maybe you can get a replacement from Hatsan now. A replacement stock for my Gamo shadow is $37.00 and a much better stock than what's on my Hatsan 125.
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Yeah I emailed Anna at Umarex. They want me to pay full price $112 shipped for another stock. I paid under $200 on sale for the whole gun with scope. This is clearly one of the bad batch of stocks that slipped through. This stock showed no signs of a problem and just fell in half. I hope the guys that are all running to buy new Hatsans see this and look at the Hatsan warranty and how the suppliers don't stand behind their product. This has not been a good experience.
UMAREX has a reputation of being "PIRATES" . . . I would NEVER buy anything from them, unless there were no choice !
Get back in touch with Paul at RaneAir . . .
Dave
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Umarex Co is not a air gunner minded company at all, just look at how much they charge for there parts compared to other big company's like that.
Anna is probably just following there standard protocol/ I wouldn't know, maybe not.
But I know this much shame on them , that stock should of been replaced pronto no question asked period end of the story. there's no reason other then pure defect for a stock to break like that.
Makes people say ok well then I will never buy from you again >:( >:( >:( >:( 8)
That's totally unwarranted.. I don't care if its a year past warranty, no exceptions
It seems to me a good business sense would be for a company to be known for standing behind there customers 110 percent 24/7 period,
I can only hope that when Hatsan enters into a better phase and are able to and willing to sell off any part they make that they will have this mind set as well, it would be the cherry on the cake for them as far as I am concerned.[/i]
And while I am getting carried away here, I hope the day comes when the small Hatsan company becomes one of the worlds leading company's out there, bar none while all the other manufactures fall off the grid for not stepping up to the plate and to make innovative changes in how they do things, what they design, and what they offer with a air gunner mind set for outstanding products .
Hatsan may of made that model I don't know how far back that particular rifle goes but Iam pretty sure they addresed that problem, and I certainly can not blame Hatsan arms, I blame umarex for not standing behind there customer.
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I don't want to place blame on anyone. This is a like new gun and this should not have happened. It was not mistreated. It had to be a defect. It broke to easy hardly any pressure.
You can't use junk on a magnum springer. It is a Hatsan 125 Branded Walther. Maybe Hatsan can do something. Joao and Scott both said they would try to do something. Hope they come through.
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Maybe we should all here reading this send emails to Anna and let her know what we think of this ???
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I don't want to place blame on anyone. This is a like new gun and this should not have happened. It was not mistreated. It had to be a defect. It broke to easy hardly any pressure.
You can't use junk on a magnum springer. It is a Hatsan 125 Branded Walther. Maybe Hatsan can do something. Joao and Scott both said they would try to do something. Hope they come through.
Yess a air gun community standing up for the good of other airguners nowt hats what its all about./ good luck Hopefully your problem with be resolved ,
hats off to those who have the influence to make things happen
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Ive sent a email to Anna about this. I think Umarex could at least give him a stock at thier cost or direct him to Hatsan thru thier channels to get it replaced free of charge. If Umarex wont help then we should try dealing directly with Hatsan.
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I don't want to place blame on anyone. This is a like new gun and this should not have happened. It was not mistreated. It had to be a defect. It broke to easy hardly any pressure.
You can't use junk on a magnum springer. It is a Hatsan 125 Branded Walther. Maybe Hatsan can do something. Joao and Scott both said they would try to do something. Hope they come through.
That's good news, I was thinking in reality all they have to do is have there tecks remove the stock , then add a stock to one of there hatsan orders they put in.. mean while,
They could send you the stock from one of there rifles. sounds like its very simple in my book
I ask the customer for shipping cost to his door and maybe a tad extra on top of actual cost of the stock, its good customer relations.
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Anybody wanna place a "side bet" on what UMAREX will do?
I say they will do NOTHING !
Dave
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Anybody wanna place a "side bet" on what UMAREX will do?
I say they will do NOTHING !
Dave
I agree with Dave,umarex will do nothing.. but i believe Joao of American arms and airgun depot will come thru for our GTA member.
If it was my company I do it you bet''... pronto too, its a matter of good public relations.
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Still looking for a stock? got one if your interested. Ed
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Still looking for a stock? got one if your interested. Ed
Ed,
Way to go, Buddy !
Dave
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Thanks Shadow, for doing what the big guns should have done. Much appreciated.
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Thanks Shadow, for doing what the big guns should have done. Much appreciated.
Finailly GTA onec again works for its members..
Just a reminder to let joao of American arms,and air gun depot know your taken care of, it be a shame to have them get one after you already got it.
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Yeah Mike that was done, goes without saying.
Did get an email from Anna today saying to send the broken stock in and "if" they determine it to be defective, they'll suppy a replacement at half price. In other words they'll supply one at a normal price. Don't like the "if" word there. Point is mute as I already found a replacement and I started to repair the old one to keep as a spare. I'm just happy I don't have to deal with Umarex.
Thanks to all that helped out here on the GTA, including Scott and Joao! Time to put this to bed!
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Still looking for a stock? got one if your interested. Ed
Ed,
Way to go, Buddy !
Dave
Only the shadow knows lol yess. great job Ed
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Question on the stock??? Did you fill the but area with any poly or spray foam? The stock on the Hatsan 125TH SEEMS TO BE A BETTER CONSTRUCTED STOCK OTHER THAN THE THUMB HOLE AREA. The top of the thumb hole area is veryyyy thinnnn.
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Final update:
Looks like my super glue repair worked. It is a solid repair I banged on the stock with my hands and it held. put the butt on my knee and pulled down on the forend and it held. will try it out for a while and see how it does. Putting on the 3 heavy duty elastic bands to hold the stock together must have pulled it tight enough to effect a permanent bond. Hey it works for me, I'm glad I have a spare coming. With 2 of these (22 & 25) can't go wrong having a spare stock. Can hardly see the repair either....must be the camo. Tacked down the shammy sound deadener that the tuner put in that started lifting. Will try to color it darker....don't like the yellowish orange. Will try some camo paint. Will stuff the stock with some foam fluffing. Done.
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Final update:
Looks like my super glue repair worked. It is a solid repair I banged on the stock with my hands and it held. put the butt on my knee and pulled down on the forend and it held. will try it out for a while and see how it does. Putting on the 3 heavy duty elastic bands to hold the stock together must have pulled it tight enough to effect a permanent bond. Hey it works for me, I'm glad I have a spare coming. With 2 of these (22 & 25) can't go wrong having a spare stock. Can hardly see the repair either....must be the camo. Tacked down the shammy sound deadener that the tuner put in that started lifting. Will try to color it darker....don't like the yellowish orange. Will try some camo paint. Will stuff the stock with some foam fluffing. Done.
Hi Is your name Mark?
Qute from your post.
Tacked down the shammy sound deadener that the tuner put in that started lifting. Will try to color it darker....don't like the yellowish orange.
What did the tuner do with the shammy you mentioned , can you explain what its all about
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GLAD IT WORKED OUT FOR YOU. CONGRATES
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GLAD IT WORKED OUT FOR YOU. CONGRATES
Thank you,