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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Ken13 on February 16, 2012, 12:05:44 AM
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Alrite so what break-barrel springer/ Gam ram would yall recommend for under $200. I would use it to hunt small game(Starlings,European Sparrows,Crows, Squirrels and rabbits)and do some plinking as well, also i have been leaning towards a .22 cal but .177 would work as well. I will take suggestions from any manufacturer. Thanks ;D
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air gun depot has rws model 34 22cal refurb for 150 right now or the combo for 190 i dont know much about this gun but here good things on here !
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I'm really, really liking my Nitro Venom .22 ........... can shoot it more accuratly than my RWS 34.
It's definatly my favorite springer to shoot at the moment
After a little work on the stock now it's extremely comfortable too
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Lol nice! :D It is a picture of my friends rifle and I like its power in .22 and the 34 has crossed my mind, I do not own a credit card. (Im 14) My parents wont let me use theirs -_-. And the venom sounds good lets see if I can find one.
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You can get the Venom Dusk off of Wal-Mart for $149.99.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Nitro-Venom-Dusk-NP-.22-Air-Rifle-with-Scope/16536075?findingMethod=rr#rr (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Nitro-Venom-Dusk-NP-.22-Air-Rifle-with-Scope/16536075?findingMethod=rr#rr)
From what I can tell, though, it's the same gun as the Titan GP...only different stock. After you get it, plus tax, and a decent scope, though, you'll be over that $200 mark.
You might PM airgunsdaily. He's going to get some more of the low velocity Titan's up soon. When they come back they'll be $85 a piece and they shoot almost as hard as the GP at Wal-Mart. That gun, $15 for shipping, $50 for a good scope, and $20 for a dovetail/weaver adapter will have you a fairly decent gun.
I can tell you that my RS2 hits harder than my Titan GP, though, and was cheaper even with the substantial discount I got on the Titan when I bought it. You can get that RS2 at Wal-Mart for $114 + tax and it shoots acceptibly with the stock scope. For $200 you can get the RS2, an elevation adjustable dovetail/weaver adapter (a must), and a good scope and a very hard to beat package.
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I was gunna suggest the 34 as well but having to pay cash im not sure where you would pick one up unless you have a cabelas, basspro or other type of store would carry it. Wally world and like stores wont carry it. If you could give yoir parents the cash and let them punch in all the info maybe you can order one that way. Or are they like my dad and wont use the internet for any type of transaction? My dad is in his 60's and wont so anything with money on the internet. Lol
If not a 34 a big cat, especially one with the steel trigger, would be a good starter with alot of potential an are usually available at most chain stores.
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The Ruger Air Hawk is available at Wal-Mart for $100...which is a .177cal 34 knockoff. It's pretty tempting to me...I just don't like .177.
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I did some research and there is no Venom Dusks in any walmart within a hour of me >:(, so at my local walmart and dicks sporting good I have the choice of the Beeman Rs2, The Beeman ram rs2, Crosman Phantom and Storm xt, The Benji Titan the silent cat, big cat 1200 or the gamo hornet
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No Ruger Air Hawk? Most of the Wal-Marts have those. Keep in mind that if you contact your local store, they can have inventory transferred from another store to theirs. Sometimes they won't do it, but sometimes they do. None of the Wal-Marts will carry the Nitro Venom in the store.
If I were you I would go with the dual cal RS2. Ditch the .177 barrel...it's a little too powerful for that, I think. The Ram/etc RS2 cost another $15~30 (depending on store) and all you get is a muzzle brake and a scope that's just as dodgy.
The best deals are to be had online, though. You could always go to the post office and get a money order. Nearly all the vendors will take that.
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if those r what u have to pick from get a beeman i have an rs2 and i love it
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Does the Rs2 have a scope stop?
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The Wal-Mart combos do. The Dual cal has a generic 4X32. The $130 model has a 3~9X32. Both scopes are pretty shoddy...you'd do good to replace whichever you get.
Also keep craigslist in mind:
RS2 ~ http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/spo/2823474984.html (http://fredericksburg.craigslist.org/spo/2823474984.html)
Others ~ http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?search_string=air+rifle&category=8&Region=na&cityselect=zip&location=23233&maxDist=125®ion_us=1&srchType=&keytype=adv&minAsk=&maxAsk=&subcat=sss (http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?search_string=air+rifle&category=8&Region=na&cityselect=zip&location=23233&maxDist=125®ion_us=1&srchType=&keytype=adv&minAsk=&maxAsk=&subcat=sss)
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You said you also have a Titan GP, which one is more accurate and is the np really all that better from a regular spring?
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You said you also have a Titan GP, which one is more accurate and is the np really all that better from a regular spring?
At this price level? No. Not better.
The Titan is easily more accurate in my findings. The RS2 is a more violent gun and that impacts accuracy. However, both the guns are shooting nickels at 25 yards...the difference being that, when the gun is locked down, the Titan is making one large hole with 10 pellets where as the RS2 is removing the whole nickel.
Real world shooting, now that I have them both zero'ed and stable, I'm not really getting a clear lead on either one.
I really like my Titan GP. I do need to advise, though, that it's not technically within your $200 price range. The scopes are notorious on them...I bad mouth what came on my Beeman but I wouldn't hesitate to toss the crosman scope in the "bird watching only" bin and use the Beeman scope in its place. A proper scope and rings will set you back another $60~75.
That's why I suggested the reduced velocity Titan. It shoots only about 50fps slower than the full power version and you can get it from airgundepot for $105...or from the daily deal for $85+shipping. That leaves you a lot of room for accessories...of course I know you may not be able to pull off an online purchase, you've said that, but knowing the bargain you can get may be motivation to "find a way".
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Im gunna just probably get the Rs2 :D
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And its $98 in my local wally word ;D
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You may add to your choices if you can get to a Sports Authority.
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Gas ram rs2 or the titan gp from walmart. Then order the tuna trigger for the titan, the beeman trigger is good out of the box. Clean them and lube tune, your ready to start shooting.
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Lol nice! :D It is a picture of my friends rifle and I like its power in .22 and the 34 has crossed my mind, I do not own a credit card. (Im 14) My parents wont let me use theirs -_-. And the venom sounds good lets see if I can find one.
Being 14, you may need an adult to go with you when you buy it.
The Crosman Nitro Venom in .22 caliber is a great choice for target-shooting, hunting, and plinking, without having to spend a lot of money !
Another thing you will want to get for it is a Charlie Da Tuna GRT-III Trigger. It is wasy to put in and will make you rifle shoot even better. They are $32.00 including postage.
http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm (http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm)
Plus, Bob ("Charlie Da Tuna"), the man who designed the trigger, is on the GTA forum and will make sure you get things set up right and SAFE !
Good Luck and Safe Shooting !
Dave
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or watch the classifieds and send a US money order you can find deals on guns for the right price used
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These are all great oppinions. Here is Mine, The gas rams are way smoother to cycle and more comfortable to shoot. You can always put a Tuna Trigger in it make that thing a real sweat heart. I don't know much about the RS2 but from I read it's violent. Vilent means it may not be as accurate and may also start eating scopes on you. I prefer to keep the vibration and noise down if possible. I'm sure both are good investments. You may be able to find a smaller outlet Like Pyramid or Airguns Daily that will let you send them a money order then ship the gun. It will only take you abn extra couple days to get what you want. lets face you'll have it along time, whats ans extra couple days. Good luck to you
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http://airgunartisans.com/flyingdragon/ (http://airgunartisans.com/flyingdragon/)
Look here.
Get the contact number from the site. Call and ask for Mike Melick. Tell him what you want, listen to his recommendations and you should be able to get into accurate, tuned and shipped for ~ 200 bucks. He takes postal money orders, I ve sent them to him.
PS-for spring piston guns that are still manageable to shoot, and dont weigh 10 lbs, about 16 ftlbs is the most power out there for this money.....but dont worry. You can take LOTS of small-meduim stuff to ~ 30 yds with 16 at the muzzle. And still take small game to 60-70 with that power, provided the accuracy is there....
God bless,
Farmer
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yes great advice forgot about Mike. Probably the best advice so far! Great guns , Great price, Great service!
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Farmer,...good thinking there :)
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Do you think Airgun depot ir pyramid air accepts money orders? If so ill get a .22 cal Rws 34
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Shoot them a e-mail. Both have good customer service.
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Be warned that airgun depot is fussy about returns. The gun has to be defective or they won't take it back. Also I still haven't been able to get a full refund on the defective gun I returned. I don't know if they are trying to pull a fast one or what. They only refunded part of the money. Beware of airgun depot.
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I'd be surprised if pyramid air didn't accept money orders. They want business. I didn't have a credit card for years and that's how I bought things through the mail. Give them a call or email and see.
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In the under $200 range pyramid offers guns that i have seen in my sporting good store so not much reason to get one online :(
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I cannot see an advantage. The only advantage from buying online is buying from Flying Dragon Airguns. The owner lube tunes and checks for accuracy before shipping. Only problem he is a small online business and frowns upon returns especially when he checks out his guns before shipping and people return his guns because they do not know how to shoot spring air rifles.
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Hmmm..Ill probably just buy the Benji Titan because of its gas ram.
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In the under $200 range pyramid offers guns that i have seen in my sporting good store so not much reason to get one online :(
That's what I've been saying. The RS2 with appropriate mods is about the best new gun you can get ffor under $200.
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Hmmm..Ill probably just buy the Benji Titan because of its gas ram.
If you go with the Titan I really would suggest saving a few more bucks and getting a real scope at the very least. Wal-Mart sells a nice Center Point 3~12 X 40 piece that works nicely for about $70.
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Ive seen a 3x9x32 tasco scope for 30 bucks in my walmart would that work?
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No the tasco will not hold up to the Titan. It's meant for rimfire guns...and even in them it doesn't hold up to something like a .22 mag or HMR 17...and it has nothing in the area of longevity. Tasco has completely lost it's quality I think.
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>:( Darn!
http://mobile.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-3-9x32mm-Scope/10248649 (http://mobile.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-3-9x32mm-Scope/10248649)
How about that one? I puts me just past the $200 range but i can scrape together a few more pennies ;D
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http://mobile.walmart.com/ip/Barska-Plinker-22-Scope-3-9-x-32-with-3-8-rings-AC10380/4634048 (http://mobile.walmart.com/ip/Barska-Plinker-22-Scope-3-9-x-32-with-3-8-rings-AC10380/4634048)
Or this ;)
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The Center Point would work fine.
I honestly do not know anything about the Barska model...I would be reluctant, but maybe someone else could chime in on it.
I prefer this scope: http://www.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-Illuminated-4-16x40mm-Scope/17173797 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/CenterPoint-Illuminated-4-16x40mm-Scope/17173797)
For a bigger picture kind of thing, though, keep this in mind:
Titan GP from Wal-Mart: $149.99
CP 3~9X32 Scope: $54.97
Total + tax (8.25%) : $221.87
Expect another $8 for pellets.
Beeman RS2 from Wal Mart: $114.99
CP 3~9X32 Scope: $54.97
Total + tax (8.25%) : $183.98
Ultimately, it's up to you, and I do think you'll be happy with whichever one you get. I wanted to get the Titan right away when I saw it and it was all because of the fancy looking stock and the nitro piston. After spending some time with them both the nitro piston didn't make that big of a difference in the gun...it's a little smoother and quieter, but not $35 worth of smoother and quieter.
I'm only trying to stress the better value of the Beeman because of your budget and age...That $200 mark is probably a lot bigger a deal to you than it is for your average adult.
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You could go to the classified gate and post a wtb a scope. Some of the members have ton of extra gun things.
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Yes the titan appeals to me because of the NP . I would really want the rs2 but i need to leave the gun cocked for long periods of time as I wait for starlings to land at my bait station . Thats is why I mostly want the Titan. If it wasnt for that the rs2 would have been with me some time ago
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I would go with the Titan from Walmart, heak use the 4x scope that comes with it until you save up for a 3x9 and a good set of rings or a one piece mount. Mine shot so good right out of the plastic ha that the only thing ive done to it is put a charlie the tuna trigger in it. And that increased the accuracy even more. I mounted a Tasco or Weaver 3x9 32mm scope and put her in the safe. The guys on here that own the RS-2 speak highly of them also.
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Check out my thread "Crosman Phantom VS Beeman RS2 Dual calber air rifle! It had lot's of good info in fact I'm in your same situation and the same age :D
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There was a mention on this thread and I've read the same thing on others that people "don't know how to shoot" a spring air rifle. So how do you shoot one?
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To shoot one accurately you have to master the altillery hold and find the pellet the rifle likes.
What do yall think about the gamo hornet?
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maybe you can have your folks buy a prepaid credit card gift card kinda thing so you can order off the internet. If so that opens a lot of new choices. you might look into the hatsan 95 149. from richard at aiscopes.
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THe hornet is overpowered. Shoots the heavy pellets accurately, but normal and PBA stuff it just scatters. It's also a plastic gun. I don't like it.
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At about how many grains does it shoot accurately? I like plastic composite, easier to take care of than wood