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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Pellet Review Gate => Topic started by: LeadHead on January 23, 2012, 10:47:33 AM
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Just got done browsing the Crosman site with "all" the new things coming out. No specs on the weight, let alone anything else such as size of head/skirt, etc. Seems to be downsized version they use for the Rogue. Anyone know ANYTHING on this one?
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The .22 is 18 grains and the .25 will be 30 grains. Just updated the site with this info.
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Funny...their "ballistic tip" is said to RESIST deformation. And everyone thought it was to help expansion. No wonder these pellets are gonna not so good
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maybe we should wait and try them before passing judgement. just saying. maybe they will, maybe they won't. ;D
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The .22 is 18 grains and the .25 will be 30 grains.
Much lighter than I thought they would be.... I'm guessing they have a significant hollow in the base and possibly even a thin skirt for obturation.... Accuracy wise, they will have to compare to the JSB Heavy/King pellets as a benchmark....
Bob
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i still want to try them. I was just mussing around the other day with my titan .22 and popped in a couple of CPHP pellets in backwards (skirt first) and i could not believe the expanison on these things. I stepped on a soda can to flatten in, and propped it up just to so if the impact would fling the can 50 feet or punch through it. Much to my suprise, it cleanly punched out about a 9mm hole clean through the can and kicked it about 20feet away. (shot from near point blank range) accuracy is not worth bragging about, but for something under 10 yds, utter and complete devastation of the target. after 15yds, they cant be very reliable in the accuracy department. This is why i am excited to try these nosler things. If they can provide "some" penetration and flatten into a jagged lead pancake on impact, i will be a happy camper. Id rather crush all of the bones and tissue of a critter skull, then poke a .22 cal hole through it. I hope these .22 noslers are not a giant disappointment. Predator polymags are awesome, but i dont get alot of accuracy out of them after 40 or 50 yards. another great pellet is the destroyer (which i only have experience in .177) but i would imagine that a .22 cal destroyer weighing in at nearly double the .177 version will deliver more destruction on the targets. Not to mention, they are great for plinking, hardly ricochet and they cut nice clean holes in the paper. =) needless to say, i am stoked to get my hands on some of these noslers and the new .22 destroyers.
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If your looking for an expanding pellet the Nosler is not design for that...it is designed to RESIST deforming.
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If the nosler 22 with the plastic tip are anything like their ballistic tip rifle bullets they will expand rapidly. I have shot hundreds of varmints with 22 cal ballistic tips and do they ever tear those critters up.
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Funny...their "ballistic tip" is said to RESIST deformation. And everyone thought it was to help expansion. No wonder these pellets are gonna not so good
The ballistic tip was originally designed for tubular mags on lever guns. Idea is to have a pointy bullet w/a good BC that would not ignite the primer of the shell in-front during heavy recoil. Never about expansion.
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I should note that the .451 ballistic tip bullets when shot at steel plates @ 2000fps, the tips will often penetrate the plate leaving the bullet on the front side. So the tips do separate on impact leaving a flat nosed bullet for energy transfer. It will be interesting to see what the AG bullets do on game. If they behave similarly to the big brothers they may be winners.
-T
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Tom you mistaken . The leverlution bullet was built for tubular magazines. The nosler ballistic tips bullets have been around for many years. I have loaded the leverlution bullet for my 30-30 lever guns.
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I want to try them in my own guns,hope they are available soon. ;D
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George, I confused the ballistic tip (Nosler) with the leverlution (Hornady). Got my Hs and Ns mixed up :)
I do believe the concept is the same. To get a lower BC, resist damage to the tip and prevent unwanted ignition is the case of the tubular mag.
I've not hunted hunted with a leverlutiion, only shot plates, so no real experience with real world expansion on game. The way the Hornady is fluted, I assume it may expand some after loosing the tip.
Thanks for setting me straight.
-Tom
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So, what power range are these designed for?
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Weighing 18gr in .22 cal i would have to assume they were designed for longer range weaponry like the high power/magnum spring and nitro piston guns as well as our beloved PCP's. Im not so sure a titan will give you the flat trajectory you want with an 18gr projectile. =) i think its safe to guess these will be for higher power air rifles if they live up to their expecatations of delivering an accurate pellet and consistant pellet with good energy retention properties and penetration and or expansion they they claim. We will have to wait and see. I have been harassing my local walmarts to carry these and the destroyer .22's when they come out.
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I would like to try these if they fit in the mrod magazines.
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At only 18 gr. I think them fitting in the MRod magazines is a no-brainer....
Bob
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My disco shoot 18 grain jsb at 31 fpe i hope these are good in the disco look like promising crow and groundhog rounds
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I look forward to trying the 30 gr .25 cal's
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I am with you Grumpy.
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If these are anywhere as good as Nosler products for my PB I'm in :D
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Funny...their "ballistic tip" is said to RESIST deformation. And everyone thought it was to help expansion. No wonder these pellets are gonna not so good
You have completely misapprehended the purpose of the Ballistic Tip projectile, a Nosler invention.
The purpose is not to resist deformation on the target at all.
It was conceived for two purposes:
1) To provide a much more pointed, aerodynamic expanding projectile than can ever be created with conventional softpoint spitzers
2) The polycarbonate material of the Ballistic Tip resists deformation, but only within the gun magazine, again something that conventional softpoint spitzers are very prone to, with the last round in a five-round box magazine getting badly battered the most, since it is the last to be fired.
The Ballistic Tip has a long track record since its inception as one of the most easily expanding projectiles out there, very suitable for light, thin-skinned game animals.
As a matter of fact, the one complaint I have ever read about them is that they tend to not penetrate nearly as well on tougher, thicker-skinned animals, something for which Nosler's original innovation, the Partition, is to this day recognized as one of the most uniquely successful bullets for that purpose.
The tip in these pellets will probably work much as the tips in the much loved Predator Polymag pellets, which have now proven to be one of the best pellets out there for terminal performance.
Nosler has been in the hunting projectile business for quite some time now.
I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing at this point, hyper-critical speculation to the contrary.
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sounds good to me pink. ;D i know in my 17 hmr those ballistic tips get some crazy expansion. ;D i think the real trial at hand will be accuracy in a given pellet gun. i hope they are off the charts. ;D