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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Hunting Gate => Topic started by: 454 Big Block Chevy on September 10, 2010, 01:07:42 PM
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i'm off for a few days... (family emergency type stuff.....) and i've beenw atching the nutters dilligently. i've seen at least 3 today... that were limping.... do i shoot them??? there easy targets... but i don't know if i want to take them out of breeding capability... its like... they don't seem to be in pain... at least not to me... they seem to be functioning fine. i'm torn.....
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i really have to find the person/kid/parent/bad role model..... someone is using a pumper or low powered chinese gun to shoot at these things... and there just injuring... however, i have found a nutter... who had a .22 predator embedded in its shoulder blade..... and i do claim that one.
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Just curious how you know it was a low powered AG injuring...did you harvest one and find a wound/pellet? Where are they being hit/wounds located? Did this jsut start recently? Any new neighbors or new AG'ers in the area?
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I think I would let them ride if their getting around ok, do some breeding while they still can. They may have tangled with another critter or nutter and limped away with a war wound, chick's dig scar's lol. Ed
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i've killed about 8 nutters, with cheap pointed pellets embeded unde the skin. bb's, and even wadcutter pellets.
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Sounds like they're running down south from my shots. :(
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One of the two nutters i just shot, had a pellet in its front shoulder... it was very clearly a .177 crosman destroyer... other than bloodshot, the nutter is in pretty good shape. was a very very large female. in fact, definatly the largest nutter this year.
here is the pellet... barely deformed at all... in fact you could straighten the skirt, and shooot it again....
(http://i54.tinypic.com/fwsu4k.jpg)
here's the damage it did under the skin.
(http://i55.tinypic.com/23vhlco.jpg)
the nutter is quartered out, and in the freezer now, minus the front shoulder area... not temping that part. but you can clearly see, what under powered air guns, at to far a distance does.
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wow, even in my remington pumper those destroyers open up. Im guessing a 1377 pistol on a couple of pumps as the culprit...
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Any kids around?
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Very little damage to the head of that pellet. My guess is a pistol. My pump rifles will put a huge hole in a nutter and leave the pellet looking like a mushroom.
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i just had a rage fueled discussion with the wife... i'm getting quite pi$$ed about the poor nutters... sure i kill a lot of them, but they are destroying my pecan tree, my eaves, and tearing up my feeder... i've replaced it twice now, and its a wire cage.... not even a wood one. but, at the same time, i am also a licensed hunter, and am in the current nutter season... not that thats an excuse to shoot nutters... but i make sure i cleanly kill them, and not injure the little SOB's...
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I agree with Shadow, if the limping nutters are able to "do their thing" then I'd let em pass. Of course if you are looking to add more meat to the freezer then I say they are fair game just like the nutters that don't limp :)
Jeff
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If your gonna shoot the squirrels anyway cull the weak and injured first.
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i'm really weary of eating a critter, thats got any kind of "rot" or such... this one was just bloodclot, so i was able to just cut around it basically. but i hate to see anything "limping" or dragging or such.
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I didn't say eat them I said to cull them, it is a faster death via predator then starvation/disease.
You know, that reads harsh but I don't mean it that way.
Carl
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The person shooting them obviously doesnt try and recover what he shoots...a limping squirrel is not that fast!
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Gotta agree, take them out. Suffering bpthers me but I have taken squirrels with my weak B3 with a decent shot placement. From your descriptions it sounds like a uninformed kid or an adult with little to no ethics. Keep your eyes peeled. As for discussions with the wife, pick your battles. Mine is anti-hunting but she accepts me for who I am and I accept her for who she is. She doesn't ask what we're eating and I don't tell!! "-)
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Whoever it is may just be trying to "sting" the squirrels also, and thinks the limpings just from the sting...
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I like the way you think Big Block!...My wife feels the same way as yours. Hang in there, we're all in this together.
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Sounds like either a kid who doesn't know better or a slob hunter who knows better, but just doesn't care.
The first is excusable, while the latter is positively disgusting.
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Unfortunately it is very hard to find out who is shooting them because pumpers are usually very quiet. My 27yr old Crosman 66 Pumper is the most quiet gun I have an it shoot 7.9gr pellets at 640-645fps very consistently. I never knew it was that powerful and surprised me how quiet it was because I had compeltely forgotten about it. It was in my parent's house in the bdrm closet where I used to live 2+ decades ago. It was only shot about 100 times so it's like new. Anyway it is impossible to detect its report 50yds away. Squirrels can cover 2 square blocks. I have seen them come down the street from 150yds away. If a kid is a few houses down you will never know he is shooting a pumper rifle or a 1377 pistol. It is apparent whoever is doing it is not using a scope either and is definitely shooting them from 20+yds out where the pellet is not carrying enough energy to do any serious damage to the squirrels.
Either way it's a sad situation. My biggest fear has always been another airgunner in the neighborhood. I am lucky I don't have that problem (I don't think) and have never found a squirrel with a pellet in them. My only "issue" is with someone shooting raccoons and Groundhogs less than 2 blocks away with a .22LR rimfire. He has well over 1 acre of property and I can hear the rimfire report every couple of weeks or so, day and night. Not that he is wounding them, but he is taking critters that I could be shooting. He does some home improvement work for my neighbor 2 houses down, and that is how I know it's him. They were discussing hunting extensively one day and told my neighbor that he also shoots in his backyard and what he shoots. He is a contractor with trucks and a bulldozer in his long driveway and I always suspected the rimfire shots were coming from there, because he has 1-2 wooded acres behind the house. He has put a real big dent in the raccoon population in the area which is why I hardly had any of them visit the bait site last year, unlike the year before when I had plenty of them and took out 1/2 dozen with the Condors. So "competition" is my worse fear, and it looks like you definitely have some except it's someone inexperienced, without brains, and thinks nothing about wounding the critters. How about putting up some posters in the neighborhood, on telephone poles and such, asking the shooter to stop wounding the squirrels, or to get a more powerful airgun? :) Maybe his parents will see it and do something about it.
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I would post signs up like harry said. Something along the lines of "Anyone airgunning squirrels call xxx-xxx-xxxx, I need your help!"
Thatll make the kid thinking you need some squirrels removed and that you will pay, so id think youd have a phone call right away. Ask him what type of pellet gun he would use, and if hes shot any lately. Thatll give you all the info you need...then just tell him that you have been finding injured squirrels yada yada. Might actually work...