GTA
All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: PelletSport on February 10, 2025, 12:25:42 AM
-
Pinty Scopes now sells 3 pcp's for $279msrp and $260 shipped on ebay.
The wood stocked long rifle and bullpup appear to be SPA manufactured and unregulated.
The third is a copy of an Airforce Airguns model. I couldn't find one like it under SPA or Artemis, so I don't know who makes it.
I always wanted to try an Airforce but couldn't justify the price for such an odd duck, so if this copy turns out to be a winner I'd buy it secondhand, for sure, maybe even new
-
It's the Snowpeak M 18. Okay, I want one, haha.
-
It is a decent rifle for the price point, accuracy is there for sure . I am getting a solid 30 fpe with Norma 17.6 gr pellets, have not tried any other ammo as these were cheap and work :)
-
Already got a thread running for the past couple of weeks.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=217402.0
-
For those that just happen by this post, the Bullpup is regulated. The guns do have some Snowpeak DNA, but are probably not manufactured by Snowpeak.
-
Pinty also having a $40 off sale code PCP4A
-
Pinty also having a $40 off sale code PCP4A
BLACK20 gets you $55
All caps
-
Pinty also having a $40 off sale code PCP4A
BLACK20 gets you $55
All caps
That's the code that convinced me to click the "Place Order" button. Their "9 Pellet .22Cal Bullpup PCP Air Gun High Power for Small Game Hunting Shooting" is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.
https://pintydevices.com/products/9-pellet-pcp-air-gun-pcp-qm23-24
280cc tank at 3600 PSI!
-W
-
Excellent, looking forward to your impressions of the QM23!
-
I have been craving that Talon Kock-Off for the price point... ::)
https://pintydevices.com/products/pcp-pellet-gun-air-rifle-with-850-fps-velocity-picatinny-rail (https://pintydevices.com/products/pcp-pellet-gun-air-rifle-with-850-fps-velocity-picatinny-rail)
-
Not to discourage any commitment toward a product, I have been trying to put together some reviews on both these PCP knockoff''s
Seems it becomes a personal preference on both of these products,
So dealing with China Clones on my mods (including Springers) I find tolerance (metal to metal clearance) are somewhat a factor, where shimming to make up excessive space (or play) is one, others can mean loose fitting parts
I also find keep these products that have wear areas, or tight clamped metal to metal contact should be "KEPT WELL Lubed", for their grade metals wear faster then expected if not lubed periodically
So far some have experienced loose bolt tolerance issues on the Piny"s Rail M-18 along with leakers on the QM23 Bullpup,
So on closing DYI might find some challenges on these knockoff's
Bill
-
Not to discourage any commitment toward a product, I have been trying to put together some reviews on both these PCP knockoff''s
Just typing QM-23 in the search bar on YouTube provides at least 8 reviews that have been online for about a month now, albeit in Spanish and from Chile.
So far I have had my QM-23 for a week and have shot a half dozen mags through it without any problems at all, as have the majority or people who actually bought the guns. People who actually buy PCP airguns and stick with them are already the hands on DIY modification type people. It is a requirement that comes with the hobby. No matter where it is made and by whom every single PCP air gun is going to need hands on work.
The QM-23 is accurate, well made, and works. It is also not a "knockoff" since it has too many design changes to be a clone of anything. You can see Artemis P15 and P35 DNA in it, and it likely is made in the same factory, but the amount of parts new and different from a P15/35 is probably at least equal to the amount of same already existing parts from them.
-
+1 Jared, I have shot about the same amount through my QM23 with no issues as well. (Incessant rain has prevented more use) I do agree that there are some tolerance issues where shimming could make a difference (trigger, etc) but my gun shoots well out of the box. Would I be happy if I spent a $1000 on the rifle... probably not, but for a couple hundred I suspect it will provide a great value and a lot of fun.
-
How loud is the report on the talon looking one?
How many shots you figure getting off a 3000 or 3200 psi fill? I hand pump.
-
Not to discourage any commitment toward a product, I have been trying to put together some reviews on both these PCP knockoff''s
Just typing QM-23 in the search bar on YouTube provides at least 8 reviews that have been online for about a month now, albeit in Spanish and from Chile.
People who actually buy PCP airguns and stick with them are already the hands on DIY modification type people. It is a requirement that comes with the hobby. No matter where it is made and by whom every single PCP air gun is going to need hands on work.
The QM-23 is accurate, well made, and works. It is also not a "knockoff" since it has too many design changes to be a clone of anything. You can see Artemis P15 and P35 DNA in it, and it likely is made in the same factory, but the amount of parts new and different from a P15/35 is probably at least equal to the amount of same already existing parts from them.
Thanks Jared Interesting find
I'm curious as to what the regulator factory Bar setting is ?
Guessing from reading some crony specs must be 125 - 135
Have you attempted to adjust yours yet ?
even though my preference is a Long Gun I convinced myself this Bullpup is unique in it's own way
So when it arrives there will be a comparison to my others
Bill
-
I have not taken it apart yet. I watched the tear down video and saw where the regulator is. To get to it pretty much requires a full disassembly and I don't want to get into that yet, especially with it shooting fine. There are 2 large screw heads on the back of the receiver, one of which I am sure has the hammer spring behind it. Whether or not it is adjustable there I do not know yet either. Hopefully it is.
So far the only complaint I have, and I am not alone in it, is the location of the safety. With it being part of the trigger it is very easy to press it in slightly and make your trigger suddenly either become very hard or impossible to pull. I am not sure what I am going to do to mine. Either live with it, grind down the ridge a bit on the trigger guard that it is supposed to catch on, or just remove it entirely. Once I learned it was what was making the trigger act up I just adjusted how I shoot it and I haven't had any further issues.
-
I have not taken it apart yet. I watched the tear down video and saw where the regulator is. To get to it pretty much requires a full disassembly and I don't want to get into that yet, especially with it shooting fine. There are 2 large screw heads on the back of the receiver, one of which I am sure has the hammer spring behind it. Whether or not it is adjustable there I do not know yet either. Hopefully it is.
you are right on disassembling, but after that, adjustments should become accessed from the front
I believe I saw the same video, disassembling the regulator having Belleville Spring Washers,
(air tube resembles my Hatsan At44-10)
he reassembled setting the regulator loose to 100bar then was to readjust from the front after he chronograph it,
his next video was to be about that front setting, have not seen any follow up on it yet ?
Guess I'll just have to have patients till mine arrives. Was there any info. in the manual on any adjustments ?
Bill
-
Mine arrived today. I posted my initial impression in the "So.....what did you shoot today?" Gate.
I'd post a link, but I think that may be against the GTA forum rules.
In a nutshell, it's a great air rifle, even if the rotary mags require an odd method of being loaded.
Unboxing video below. Apologies in advance for the bad camerawork.
https://youtu.be/zhxzGVQ2LI8
-W
-
Cool kitty. Was there an Airgun in the video? ;)
-
In a nutshell, it's a great air rifle, even if the rotary mags require an odd method of being loaded.
What is odd about the way you have to load your magazine? Mine have the same loading method used by Umarex, Air Venturi, Diana, Artemis, and AEA guns, etc, where you rotate the clear plastic cover which winds the spring and push in one pellet through the back and then load the rest through the other clear side.
-
Just shows cats like airguns too ;)
-
Just shows cats like airguns too ;)
So true!
-W
-
Cool kitty. Was there an Airgun in the video? ;)
Ha! That was probably the worst "camerawork" that I've ever posted anywhere!
-W
-
In a nutshell, it's a great air rifle, even if the rotary mags require an odd method of being loaded.
What is odd about the way you have to load your magazine? Mine have the same loading method used by Umarex, Air Venturi, Diana, Artemis, and AEA guns, etc, where you rotate the clear plastic cover which winds the spring and push in one pellet through the back and then load the rest through the other clear side.
It's a great question. It's covered in the printed instructions, but I made a video instead of posting photos from their manual, just because it seems so counterintuitive.
Moar bad camerawork below...
https://youtu.be/7IZhCcRasy4
Edit: So, after re-reading your post, it seems that this method of loading PCP air gun magazine is not as unusual as I thought, and it was just new to me.
-Whirligig
-
You let the cat out of the bag, or I mean box ... ;)
-
So, after re-reading your post, it seems that this method of loading PCP air gun magazine is not as unusual as I thought, and it was just new to me.
-Whirligig
I have a couple of air guns that you load ammo straight in but the majority of mine load the same way as the QM-23 magazine, so it didn't seem strange. I thought you had gotten one that loaded different
-
So, after re-reading your post, it seems that this method of loading PCP air gun magazine is not as unusual as I thought, and it was just new to me.
-Whirligig
I have a couple of air guns that you load ammo straight in but the majority of mine load the same way as the QM-23 magazine, so it didn't seem strange. I thought you had gotten one that loaded different
Interesting. I've been into air guns for a long time, but I'm new to the world of PCPs, since they are relatively affordable now. I appreciate your question; it helped me learn more about PCPs.
-W
-
So, after re-reading your post, it seems that this method of loading PCP air gun magazine is not as unusual as I thought, and it was just new to me.
-Whirligig
I have a couple of air guns that you load ammo straight in but the majority of mine load the same way as the QM-23 magazine, so it didn't seem strange. I thought you had gotten one that loaded different
Interesting. I've been into air guns for a long time, but I'm new to the world of PCPs, since they are relatively affordable now. I appreciate your question; it helped me learn more about PCPs.
-W
It might have been the DAR magazine it is simple as put one in and turn ???
-
Yet another PINTY PCP air rifle unboxing video!
New and improved video and audio quality!
https://youtu.be/GHGbQAnXqtw (https://youtu.be/GHGbQAnXqtw)
-Whirligig
-
I'm curious as to what the beginning of your serial number shows. Our bullpups start with QM23 so the beginning might be the model number like the bullpup. It is also strange to me that they ended up using a smaller air tube than on the bullpup. I would have thought they would have had a lot more room for a larger one on a standard long gun type. Must have just been the air tube size that was on whatever Artemis model they modified to make that gun.
-
I'm curious as to what the beginning of your serial number shows. Our bullpups start with QM23 so the beginning might be the model number like the bullpup. It is also strange to me that they ended up using a smaller air tube than on the bullpup. I would have thought they would have had a lot more room for a larger one on a standard long gun type. Must have just been the air tube size that was on whatever Artemis model they modified to make that gun.
The serial number of this non-bullpup air rifle starts with "QL22." It looks a lot like the Artemis/Snowpeak M16 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1tEbnd1H5M) with a simpler stock.
Here are some other people trying to figure out exactly what this airgun is. (https://www.airgunnation.com/threads/airforce-knockoff-first-look-other-pinty-guns.1326870/page-12)
The bullpup just seems to accommodate a longer air reservoir cylinder because it can be extended to almost the entire length of the gun. I'll be interested to see if the "QL22" has lower power and/or fewer shots per fill than the "QM23" bullpup.
When you write "Our bullpups start with "QM23," who is "Our?"
-Whirly
-
The rifle name is actually QL22:
https://www.defensorforever.cl/rifle-pcp-ql22
I assume that the Defensor company (in Chile) made a batch of this.
Somehow Pinty is selling them in the US.
-
Yet another PINTY PCP air rifle unboxing video!
New and improved video and audio quality!
-Whirligig
Looking up Defensor Forever, they seem to not be a manufacturer, just another distributor like Pinty. They also sell Evanix and Aselkon rifles.
They sell a tactical version of the QL22, called the QL001. Other than getting rid of the wood for the black metal it has the same specs.
-
Looking at his video, the box appears to have the same "Made in China" sticker on it that my Bullpup box had.
-
Yet another PINTY PCP air rifle unboxing video!
New and improved video and audio quality!
https://youtu.be/GHGbQAnXqtw (https://youtu.be/GHGbQAnXqtw)
-Whirligig
I filled the new PINTY to the recommended limit of 250 BAR and the power was practically identical to the PINTY bullpup, possibly averaging just slightly (about 10 FPS) higher. I'm just copy/pasting the FPS and FPE data for the bullpup, since, for all practical purposes, the numbers are the same.
Norma Trophy FT Heavy
Weight (grains) 17.6
Velocity (fps) 850
Muzzle Energy = 28.24 foot-pounds
H&N Excite Hammer
Weight (grains) 15.2
Velocity (fps) 910
Muzzle Energy = 27.96 foot-pounds
One correction from what I said regarding filling the 10-pellet rotary magazine is that all pellets are loaded nose-first, and does not require that the first pellet be loaded skirt-first.
And, yes, the trigger feels the same when the PINTY is fully pressurized with air, and it is extremely light. I would even go so far as to say that it is too light for a new shooter, but experienced target shooters are going to love it.
-W
-
This may have just sealed my decision. Have you verified shot count on reg for P-Rifle?
-
Yet another PINTY PCP air rifle unboxing video!
New and improved video and audio quality!
https://youtu.be/GHGbQAnXqtw (https://youtu.be/GHGbQAnXqtw)
-Whirligig
Does it have a shroud?
What is the barrel/shroud thread size for a moderator?
-
Does it have a shroud?
What is the barrel/shroud thread size for a moderator?
The barrel does have a baffled shroud.
Dunno' about the thread size, but I doubt a moderator is even needed because the baffled shroud already does what a moderator would do.
-W
-
From what I've seen around the forums, looks like all 3 are rocking M14x1 threads.
-
From what I've seen around the forums, looks like all 3 are rocking M14x1 threads.
Good to know. Thanks!
-W
-
This may have just sealed my decision. Have you verified shot count on reg for P-Rifle?
Not yet. I can't give it a fair test because the outside temperatures here are so low.
-W
-
This may have just sealed my decision. Have you verified shot count on reg for P-Rifle?
Not yet. I can't give it a fair test because the outside temperatures here are so low.
-W
Fair enough, I went ahead and ordered anyway. Guess I just get to do my own testing. 🤠
-
This may have just sealed my decision. Have you verified shot count on reg for P-Rifle?
Not yet. I can't give it a fair test because the outside temperatures here are so low.
-W
Based on what little testing I have done, under poor conditions, I don't think you will be disappointed.
-W
Fair enough, I went ahead and ordered anyway. Guess I just get to do my own testing. 🤠
-
I caved. .22 rifle on the way.
-
I like it the their are members on our forum with all 3 guns. We'll have info on all of them.
-
From what I've seen around the forums, looks like all 3 are rocking M14x1 threads.
I've read the rifle has x20 thread if you removed the shroud, which is reportedly unbaffled anyway. Can't remember who or where posted.
-
I like it the their are members on our forum with all 3 guns. We'll have info on all of them.
Two out of three, here.
I need to draw the line somewhere!
Or do I?
-W
-
I like it the their are members on our forum with all 3 guns. We'll have info on all of them.
Two out of three, here.
I need to draw the line somewhere!
Or do I?
-W
The writing is on the wall.
-
I like it the their are members on our forum with all 3 guns. We'll have info on all of them.
Two out of three, here.
I need to draw the line somewhere!
Or do I?
-W
Might as well complete the trifecta. 😉
-
From what I've seen around the forums, looks like all 3 are rocking M14x1 threads.
I've read the rifle has x20 thread if you removed the shroud, which is reportedly unbaffled anyway. Can't remember who or where posted.
I have seent that as well. I intend to adapt and install anyway. But... I will probably also get adventurous and try shroud removal as well.
-
From what I've seen around the forums, looks like all 3 are rocking M14x1 threads.
I've read the rifle has x20 thread if you removed the shroud, which is reportedly unbaffled anyway. Can't remember who or where posted.
I believe it was Thammer over on AGN
-
Here it is... Richard is the name!
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=217785.40
-
Anybody know if the side lever on the bullpup can be switched to the left side? From the pics I'm guessing probably not.
-
Hi Ashley, looking at my Bullpup, it does not look like it can be switched.
-
Hi Ashley, looking at my Bullpup, it does not look like it can be switched.
Seconded. It is where it is.
-W
-
Thanks guys. That's not a deal breaker for me, but it would've been sweet. I'm thinking seriously about this one. I've never had a bullpup and this one checks a lot of boxes, especially for the price.
-
I'm getting a feeling like Pinty is not in it for the long haul. The "popular" guns (bullpup and AF clone) are going up in price while the unpopular (so far) rifle is going down. Seems like they are trying to sell a certain amount of each. Like the ones they had made, then get out. Hopefully I'm wrong.....
-
I'm getting a feeling like Pinty is not in it for the long haul. The "popular" guns (bullpup and AF clone) are going up in price while the unpopular (so far) rifle is going down. Seems like they are trying to sell a certain amount of each. Like the ones they had made, then get out. Hopefully I'm wrong.....
They're new in this market and still probably testing the water.
-
I'm sure there will be an end to these guns after the current runs are depleted. But in all honesty, that happens with alot of entry level guns
But yes, I see the pup and tactical have increased in price. Up to 299 now. There is still the GTA $40 discount code.
-
I still haven't received any shipping notice for my bullpup, ordered last Thursday.
-
I would reach out... I got tracking in short order.
I also placed an order yesterday for the back of the truck seat organizers. I got instant confirmation and tracking this morning.
-
BTW.. the gun is coming by FedEx and the organizers are coming USPS.
-
I would reach out... I got tracking in short order.
I also placed an order yesterday for the back of the truck seat organizers. I got instant confirmation and tracking this morning.
That's what's concerning, as I hear from others that their turnaround is very quick.
-
I would reach out... I got tracking in short order.
I also placed an order yesterday for the back of the truck seat organizers. I got instant confirmation and tracking this morning.
That's what's concerning, as I hear from others that their turnaround is very quick.
I would definitely reach out. I ordered the P-Rifle Saturday morning, had shipping notification early this morning. Rifle and scope coming FedEx. Did you get your order confirmation email?
-
I would reach out... I got tracking in short order.
I also placed an order yesterday for the back of the truck seat organizers. I got instant confirmation and tracking this morning.
That's what's concerning, as I hear from others that their turnaround is very quick.
I would definitely reach out. I ordered the P-Rifle Saturday morning, had shipping notification early this morning. Rifle and scope coming FedEx. Did you get your order confirmation email?
Got the order confirmation email immediately right after I placed the order. Also, been keeping an eye on the junk file.
-
Do you have a FedEx log on? Mine automatically showed up on the FedEx app as soon as the label was created.
-
I'm getting a feeling like Pinty is not in it for the long haul. The "popular" guns (bullpup and AF clone) are going up in price while the unpopular (so far) rifle is going down. Seems like they are trying to sell a certain amount of each. Like the ones they had made, then get out. Hopefully I'm wrong.....
Sales usually operate on the price = demand principle where the more things are in demand and selling, the higher the price goes. That's why diesel fuel is more expensive than "unleaded" fuel even though diesel is easier and cheaper to refine. Since these guns are selling fast the price is rising.
-
I'm getting a feeling like Pinty is not in it for the long haul. The "popular" guns (bullpup and AF clone) are going up in price while the unpopular (so far) rifle is going down. Seems like they are trying to sell a certain amount of each. Like the ones they had made, then get out. Hopefully I'm wrong.....
Sales usually operate on the price = demand principle where the more things are in demand and selling, the higher the price goes. That's why diesel fuel is more expensive than "unleaded" fuel even though diesel is easier and cheaper to refine. Since these guns are selling fast the price is rising.
I understand marketing. If the company was in it for the long haul, then why lower the price of the rifles on ebay so much? While also raising the bullpup? This tells me they have a specific number that they want to unload of each. Not a company that is starting out low and then raising as price as demand increases.
-
Do you have a FedEx log on? Mine automatically showed up on the FedEx app as soon as the label was created.
Can't remember if I have UPS or FedEx, or both on email notifications.
-
I am getting a solid 30 fpe with Norma 17.6 gr pellets, have not tried any other ammo as these were cheap and work :)
Those Normas are excellent!
-
I'm getting a feeling like Pinty is not in it for the long haul. The "popular" guns (bullpup and AF clone) are going up in price while the unpopular (so far) rifle is going down. Seems like they are trying to sell a certain amount of each. Like the ones they had made, then get out. Hopefully I'm wrong.....
Sales usually operate on the price = demand principle where the more things are in demand and selling, the higher the price goes. That's why diesel fuel is more expensive than "unleaded" fuel even though diesel is easier and cheaper to refine. Since these guns are selling fast the price is rising.
I understand marketing. If the company was in it for the long haul, then why lower the price of the rifles on ebay so much? While also raising the bullpup? This tells me they have a specific number that they want to unload of each. Not a company that is starting out low and then raising as price as demand increases.
All I know is that I am excited about getting the one I got coming tomorrow. I never had any plans to get either one of the other 2. It would be interesting to know how many they originally had of each.
-
I emailed them this morning, and got a reply with a UPS tracking #. Scheduled to be here Friday.
Hopefully, they've corrected the rail issue with mine.