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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Big Bore AirGun Gate => Topic started by: aack73 on November 28, 2011, 10:53:02 AM
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would a .45 ranger have ample energy to take a black bear? would you shoot a black bear with one? ;D
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would a .45 ranger have ample energy to take a black bear? would you shoot a black bear with one? ;D
1. Without question.
2. Yes (if legal).
A good-sized Black Bear was taken recently with a souped-up .458 DAQ of similar power shooting a heavy solid.
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thinking of getting a .45 big bore. ;D
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Those Big Bore airguns in the 50 yards range are alot more deadly that people realise
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friend of mine has a lot of bear on the property they deer hunt. thinking i would like to hunt one with either an ag or bow.
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Can I join in ? I can Bring Bows and Big Airguns :)
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it would be a long ride from hawaii. ;D
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it would be a long ride from hawaii. ;D
A chance at hunting Black Bear would be well worth the trip from Hawaii I'm sure.
Wish we could hunt those bruisers with a BigBore Airgun here in Oregon. We have quite a few legitimate 400+lb.er's roaming around the coast range due to hound hunting being banned back in the 90's.....now there's to many of them in a lot of areas. Hound hunting for Mountain Lion, and Black Bear should be back before to long.
(http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x65/butcher45/IMG_0039.jpg)
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thats a pretty big bear. not sure if i can hunt bear with a ag here in NC or not. asked friend that bear hunts alot. and he thought the idea was crazy. ;D said he shot one in the back of the head with a 30/30 and it never penetrated the skull. lodged in back of head. ;D he carries a 30/06 now. i would try it so long as i was carrying back up just in case i made a bad shot and it turned on me or something. not likely but possible.
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thats a pretty big bear. not sure if i can hunt bear with a ag here in NC or not. asked friend that bear hunts alot. and he thought the idea was crazy. ;D said he shot one in the back of the head with a 30/30 and it never penetrated the skull. lodged in back of head. ;D he carries a 30/06 now. i would try it so long as i was carrying back up just in case i made a bad shot and it turned on me or something. not likely but possible.
Firearm back-up for certain if you are targeting such a beast. I've had them come in to a call, then follow me to my next calling area as I tried to leave their area, then have them quickly respond to my call again. Me and my lil' ol Sam Yang got out of the woods REAL quick at that point.
If I was targeting bear, I would bring something that has the ability to stop a mad bear like the one pictured above in it's tracks. I'm thinking a powerful .35caliber rifle.....or the .45-70 would put my mind at ease.
I always worry about the remote possibility of inadvertently bumping into a momma bear with cubs out here.....thinking S@W Mountain Gun in .45Colt loaded with 280grain WFN's@about 1000fps for an "always" woods gun would be prudent.
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I wouldn't mind flying out for a bear hunt, I can bring a selfbow as a back up :)
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I've been reading up and haven't found anything that says you can or can't hunt bear with an ag. guess if it doesn't say you cant hunt with an ag its ok. and it doesnt say you can only use certain rifles etc. ;D Manny i will ask. it's not my personal or leased property. if they are ok with it I am. i just can't give permission that's not mine to give. ;D how ever there is plenty of game lands here as well. i''ve never hunted bear. guess the trick is getting them in or find where they are passing through. they move a lot and cover a lot of ground. most of the "bear" hunters around here use dogs. if they are out running dogs its a waste of time. but there is some season when dogs aren't allowed. ;D if you are serious i will let you know. hopefully i will get a chance to hunt where my buddy has been deer hunting. he has several on camera. several different times ;D
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I wouldn't even consider hunting a bear with ANY single shot rifle.... Make a mistake and you'll be wearing a bearskin that's still alive and VERY angry.... Even with a PB I'd want a magazine of some kind....
Bob
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definitely would be carrying back up. lol i wouldnt go in to that tree stand without any. ;D surely 14rds of .45acp would encourage him not to climb my tree, if i made a bad shot. ;D or maybe fate would have it that the ole lady and kids were to collect some life ins. ?
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Treestand ? :o :o :o :o :o ...No way, if I come over there we hunt them on the ground.
If there was hunting opportunitys a trip to the East coast would be certanly worth it ;D
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:o :o :o :o If I'm going to hunt bear I'm not going with anything less than my 30-06 ???. To me that would be like hunting hogs with a 22. Have to get to close and if your aim isn't perfect you better be able to run really fast or become the next meal:o. sorry :'( not that much of an air gun nut.
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what's your thoughts on wanting to hunt from the ground manny?
rickey they come into bow range for the most part. it's not wide open country. on the side of the mtn. so it would be pretty close. ;D yea i'm a fairly good shot, but not sure how steady i would be staring at a black bear that close.? it would be exciting. Manny looks faster than me, so running probably isnt an option.
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I wouldn't hesistate to shoot/hunt one if i had a Ranger and could hunt bears with airguns.
Airguns and airgun bullets/pellets tend to do a lot of tissue bruising and damage more than likely cause of the super slow bullets tearing flesh much more slowly than a PB does it. PB rounds tend to ZIP through while BB bullets PLOW and PUSH through flesh. Lots of people who process game often comment on how much internal damage is done when a game animal is hit by a BB bullets.
Bear, and hogs are definitely tough but being tough is no comparison for a 400 grain FP bullet plowing through the heart/lungs or brain at OVER 800 FPS.
Go for it. Its been done with guns making less power
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Treestand ? :o :o :o :o :o ...No way, if I come over there we hunt them on the ground.
Exactly. No baiting.....spot and stalk. Pretty tough hunting!
The .45Ranger shooting 260-400grain slugs achieves GREAT penetration even when compared to PB rifles (search for the Linebaugh Penetration Tests and see what airgun slugs at airgun velocities can do)......would be PLENTY of gun to reliably kill a Black Bear with. They will probably run a bit when shot heart/lungs, but not far with a good hit.
I would want to have someone there with a serious PB backing me up, though. The BLR in .358Winchester shooting 225-250+grainers@around 2500+fps sounds like a safe bet for putting a Black Bear down fast if need be.
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id go for headshots, a half alive carnivorous animal is not to be taken lightly...
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what's your thoughts on wanting to hunt from the ground manny?
rickey they come into bow range for the most part. it's not wide open country. on the side of the mtn. so it would be pretty close. ;D yea i'm a fairly good shot, but not sure how steady i would be staring at a black bear that close.? it would be exciting. Manny looks faster than me, so running probably isnt an option.
If I had the chance to come over ( and I'd love too )
I would only bring my selfbow, i could back you up with a Firearm if you like to try an Airgun hunt, bud I definatly would want to do it on the ground, don't know the layout of your area but I can figure the best way pretty fast :)
If it was Brown bear/Grizzly it would be a different cup of tea, but black bear isn't any more dangerous than Russian boar,....ground hunting is the only way to go :)
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I read an article recently as it pertains to bow hunting larger bear, brown/griz etc. They claim a double lung shot is the most effective since the heart beats a low number of times per minute-60-80 which does not bleed them out fast enough not to charge. The double lung will starve them of oxygen faster and be less dangerous in the long run. I have not put this into practice, seemed like it makes some sense though.
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Black Bears kill more people than Brown bears annually. You have a chance with a Brown Bear by playing dead......that doesn't work with a Black Bear. It will eat you for certain even if you are playing possum.
IF they attack you (not likely, but still......), Black Bear are as dangerous as anything, if not more so. Inadvertent close contact with a sow with cubs is my greatest concern.
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A nice Heavy Arrow with a sharp 2 Blade Broadhead will take down efficiently any game in North America
I would bring My 76# Selfbow shooting 800gr arrows tipped with 190gr Ribtek.
Not too worried about Black Bear if I'm Hunting, more dangerous if you Hicking and somehow stumble upon them and surprise them, that's when trubble starts :)
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Bears and bears.... and that means unpredictable.... For the most part, attacks by females (particularly if they have cubs nearby) are defensive and you are best to play dead and protect your throat and belly.... If you are attacked by a male, it is generally a predatory attack, and you have to fight back with all you have or you have no chance....
Of course none of this applies if the bear hasn't read the manual on what to do when attacking a human....
Bob