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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Optics, Range estimation & related subjects => Topic started by: brapshwing on September 26, 2024, 12:19:01 PM
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Anybody try this Winchester scope on a springer? Price is right and with AO it's worth a look. See pic it's available at Optics Planet for $50.
I need a scope for a Umarex Surge .22 with plastic stock. Vortek kit is probably harder on a scope than stock power.. I have an old Simmons 4x32 so thinking of an upgrade. Thanks.
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For the price, it's the only 2-7x I have read a out on here. I read about it in posts where some members recommended it. For $50, a 2-7x ao is a great option for a springer. Great all around scope.
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For a springer I would go with the Hammers scope they come with a substantial solid mount.
www.amazon.com/Hammers-3-9x32AO-Rifle-Scope-One-Piece/dp/B001BXVCMU/ref=sr_1_3?
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For a springer I would go with the Hammers scope they come with a substantial solid mount.
www.amazon.com/Hammers-3-9x32AO-Rifle-Scope-One-Piece/dp/B001BXVCMU/ref=sr_1_3?
thanks for the tip, I'll check it out. Peace.
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For the price you can't beat the Winchester branded scopes. I own five. Two are fixed 4Xand the rest are 3-7X32. I still have one Hammer's 4-9X32 of two I bought several years ago. One was beaten to death by a Hatsan magnum springer. It lasted two hard years though! All my Magnum springers now wear Winchester scopes. IMO the clarity of these scopes is as good as any Chinese made glass. They are rugged and the AO feature is well calibrated.
The downside is QC. Some people have reported QC problems. I haven't had any. Another con is the scope rings are trash. To get the most out of these scopes you will have to replace the rings. My third beef is the reticle. It is a perfectly adequate duplex cross hair. The wires are fine enough for precise aiming at targets as small as a squirrel's head. But I would really prefer a Mil dot reticle.
I have tried a number of the other popular scope maker's products. I have Leupold, Hawke, Leapers, Bushnell, CenterPoint, Hammers, Simmons, Barska, Pinty, and BSA scopes. The Hawke and leaper's scopes are definitely better glass but they are also twice to three times the price.
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For the price you can't beat the Winchester branded scopes. I own five. Two are fixed 4Xand the rest are 3-7X32. I still have one Hammer's 4-9X32 of two I bought several years ago. One was beaten to death by a Hatsan magnum springer. It lasted two hard years though! All my Magnum springers now wear Winchester scopes. IMO the clarity of these scopes is as good as any Chinese made glass. They are rugged and the AO feature is well calibrated.
The downside is QC. Some people have reported QC problems. I haven't had any. Another con is the scope rings are trash. To get the most out of these scopes you will have to replace the rings. My third beef is the reticle. It is a perfectly adequate duplex cross hair. The wires are fine enough for precise aiming at targets as small as a squirrel's head. But I would really prefer a Mil dot reticle.
I have tried a number of the other popular scope maker's products. I have Leupold, Hawke, Leapers, Bushnell, CenterPoint, Hammers, Simmons, Barska, Pinty, and BSA scopes. The Hawke and leaper's scopes are definitely better glass but they are also twice to three times the price.
Captain, Thanks for the response. 5 sounds like a solid endorsement of the product. I agree with you about the reticle, because holdover matters with the power I have out of this .22 springer. The Simmons is a very old 4x32 so I'm feeling that anything is an upgrade. Surprisingly, it has held up though.. Based on what you said, it sounds like the Hammer would probably hold up to a mid range springer (it's no magnum) as well.
I'll probably end up with both a Hammer and a Win scope (other guns in the safe want new glass as well). But for now I think Im going to get the Winchester. Brand name recognition and your review here, play into the decision. Thanks again!!
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Been on the fence about a winchester 2-7x for a while. I don't need one per se but might use one. The reticle holds me back, but barely. Everything else seems just right, especially for the price.
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For the price you can't beat the Winchester branded scopes. I own five. Two are fixed 4Xand the rest are 3-7X32. I still have one Hammer's 4-9X32 of two I bought several years ago. One was beaten to death by a Hatsan magnum springer. It lasted two hard years though! All my Magnum springers now wear Winchester scopes. IMO the clarity of these scopes is as good as any Chinese made glass. They are rugged and the AO feature is well calibrated.
The downside is QC. Some people have reported QC problems. I haven't had any. Another con is the scope rings are trash. To get the most out of these scopes you will have to replace the rings. My third beef is the reticle. It is a perfectly adequate duplex cross hair. The wires are fine enough for precise aiming at targets as small as a squirrel's head. But I would really prefer a Mil dot reticle.
I have tried a number of the other popular scope maker's products. I have Leupold, Hawke, Leapers, Bushnell, CenterPoint, Hammers, Simmons, Barska, Pinty, and BSA scopes. The Hawke and leaper's scopes are definitely better glass but they are also twice to three times the price.
Captain, Thanks for the response. 5 sounds like a solid endorsement of the product. I agree with you about the reticle, because holdover matters with the power I have out of this .22 springer. The Simmons is a very old 4x32 so I'm feeling that anything is an upgrade. Surprisingly, it has held up though.. Based on what you said, it sounds like the Hammer would probably hold up to a mid range springer (it's no magnum) as well.
I'll probably end up with both a Hammer and a Win scope (other guns in the safe want new glass as well). But for now I think Im going to get the Winchester. Brand name recognition and your review here, play into the decision. Thanks again!!
Hammer's sells their scopes as "Magnum air rifle" rated scopes. A big part of that is the rings. Hammer's scopes come with pretty good rings. Buy a quality set of rings for your cheap Winchester and you'll probably spend as much as you would for the Hammer's scope. I am blessed with a scrap box full of rings, mounts, rails, etc. from a lifetime collecting firearms.
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Remembered I have an offset dovetail lying around AND saw its $40 right now (one is one the way)...
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B002QB02EK?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title
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I use one piece mounts whenever I can on my harder hitting springers/gas rams. Stop pins are a plus. Hammers have always been good for me. I don't have a Winchester to compare.
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I kinda like a simple crosshair, but Bushnell’s illuminated Multi-X and DOA-LRH800 reticles with floating center dots look fantastic.
I had 2 SWFA scopes with with the MOA reticle (very small floating center dot), and they were very nice for pinpoint aiming. Sold both though ‘cuz the were both 20x and had a terrible eyebox. For fixed-power SWFA scopes, 12x needs to be the maximum 👍
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Winchester scope is scheduled to arrive today. Plan is to put it in the sniper offset mount backup I have for the d48 and then see how it looks on the 460 now that I its bugbuster on the new to me urban.
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Looks to be a good match. The glass is clear, comparable to the underrated beeman 4x32 glass. The rings are garbage, but the sniper offset mount makes for a very good balance point on the 460: palm is right behind the cutaway in the stock and the fingers are right on the stippling. The turnable parts feel solid as does the construction generally, At 40$, this is the best scope buy for a spring gun. 2-7x ao is all I need for most anything a springer does in my hands.
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Here’s a Hatsan mod 95 and a mod 135 wearing the same cantilever mount and a pair of Winchester brand scopes.
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That's a good lookin pair of rifles, Cap.
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I sometimes am tempted by the 135. Is the barrel short enough to cock the rifle 180 degrees from the usual with a break barrel? In othe words, when seated with the butt on the thigh can you break the barrel in a "choo choo" motion rather than flipped the other way as usual and using a swim stroke motion?
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I sometimes am tempted by the 135. Is the barrel short enough to cock the rifle 180 degrees from the usual with a break barrel? In othe words, when seated with the butt on the thigh can you break the barrel in a "choo choo" motion rather than flipped the other way as usual and using a swim stroke motion?
I'm 6'6" tall and I have really long arms so cocking the 135 is not too challenging. The mod 95 in that picture is a big air rifle. The mod 135 is a feakin huge air rifle! So stature is important. Seated I can cock the gun with one arm with the butt resting on the bench between my legs. Standing I have to cock the gun two handed with the butt resting on my thigh. In that position the cocking effort is a breast stroke motion pulling down hard with both arms.
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Gotcha. Two handed breast stroke beast of a gun. I think about my spring guns in exercise terms sometimes.
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Since the 460 is now down, I've put the winchester on my k98. Never scoped this gun before. Man is it a shooter. James has posted that his shoots as accurate as a pcp. At 50 ft with the winchester, my k98 is also as accurate as my akela or urban, which are my most accurate pcps. The akela is also down, but but that's ok as I'm not really a bullpup guy. Searching for an oring leak has been a pain. I prefer springers, perhaps.