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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: ER00z on August 31, 2024, 09:40:27 PM
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Imagine if the Crosman 760 had a design change in the future... But instead of keeping the same price point of the last couple decades, they went a few notches up... like in quality and fitment of materials. I wonder if there would be increased interest in the general market. What would others like to see if any changes were made to the platform?
Don't get me wrong, the 760 is decent for what it is, BUT... it's gotten too cheap! (IMO). The last one I purchased (current design) has too many wiggles I can't sort out (stock to receiver, receiver to barrel & pump tube). I know it's just a bb flinger geared towards youths, built to a price point. I get that. It's just I'd gladly pay double if they sorted out the wiggles, went to a cast "metal" receiver and maybe as a bonus have an aluminum pump piston. Keep the same general shape if they want to reuse parts (buttstock, fore stock, etc.)...
I mean no disrespect to whomever designed the current generation of the 760, I imagine orders were to design something functional and at lower build cost than previous generations. The overall looks are fantastic in my opinion. They can and do function as intended, maybe I'm just griping too much about a cheap bb gun... I almost wish they did an anniversary version of the 760 like they done for the 362, a limited run of 760's with metal receiver, peep sight, aluminum pump piston and maybe wood fore stock (wood buttstock would be cool too, but I like the plastic stocks bb capacity).
Seems like Crosman is facing changes... Got me thinking "what if'". Also, I want to wish the best to all the employees.
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I personally don't think that whoever designed that current abomination deserves a single hint of respect, what they did is not respectable in any way and I wish it didn't exist.
There's no way they would ever try to make them better, because their purpose these days is just to be something extremely cheap for a kid to use for a couple years till they lose interest.
I think the market for youth airguns may be dwindling , airsoft has probably taken a lot of that market share because kids may be more interested in shooting at each other than they are at cans and paper targets.
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I would love to see them going back to a (pot)metal receiver, and metal trigger. Just that would be a HUGE improvement, and I would gladly pay for that.
A special edition with the aforementionned metal receiver and trigger, wood stock and forearm, and a riffled barrel, would sell well I'm sure.
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I "dang" the person who invented plastic BBs ;)
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I personally don't think that whoever designed that current abomination deserves a single hint of respect, what they did is not respectable in any way and I wish it didn't exist.
There's no way they would ever try to make them better, because their purpose these days is just to be something extremely cheap for a kid to use for a couple years till they lose interest.
I think the market for youth airguns may be dwindling , airsoft has probably taken a lot of that market share because kids may be more interested in shooting at each other than they are at cans and paper targets.
yep, that and paintball. Where I used to see a nice selection of airguns/ammo at Walmart now I only see a few, but all kinds of paintball junk. :o
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well, if i may say, i think Crosman and their designers (thru the years, including the last generation) has done a commendable job at bringing BB AND pellet shooting to the masses. I have tried all the variations (generally stock and recently resealed) and the newest one is by far the most powerful and easiest to pump (which are the main points on a starter airgun).
The loss of the rifled barrel was easily justified as this guns are built under a certain accuracy expectation. It will generally be shot with the least expensive ammo and using open sights to plink and maybe deter pest. so i say maybe a 1 inch group at 10 yards is probably the norm.
The original gun in 1966 listed for 19.95 (which in today's moolah is about $187.62). Today, at walmart, you can get your 760 for what?, $38.00?. That is an incredible feat and one that has allowed us to buy and introduce our kids to the sport, as well as keep servicing the original need for the airgun, plinking and pesting. And to be more specific, it was not done the "daisy" way. Every 760 you have ever shot was made her, in the USA. The new ones may be sourcing some parts from other places but the final put together is done here, under US supervision and manufacturing. and the most amazing part is that today's guns still use 10% of the parts made for the original 760 (let me elaborate on that, because yes, i made it sound rosie...). The 760 has being made more efficiently (read cheaply) so it can still be made here. in its evolution it has gone down from 91 parts on the 1966 model to a unbelievably low count of 34 parts on the new one... that is about 60% less parts to do the same job! And 4 are still the same. Working that inflation calculator backwards makes the new 760 worth $4.04 in 1966. Yet the old one was 20 bucks.
We need to realize that things change, and that few of us will pay 180$ for an older metal and wood 760 (*(&^, we do, and they are used...). But to say that the new gun is garbage because is not the old one, well that is not an apple to apple comparo. I own several variations and though a 67 Revelation is in my rack, shooting straight and hard, my most accurate 760 is actually a 1990s lego block handle pumper. It shoots just as hard and is lot more accurate. I think if you take your time and play within the expectations, a 760 is a great plinker to have.
My0.02
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I recently brought one of the "older ones" back to life. My buddy had found it at a yard sale.
Thinking it was a smooth bore I had called Crosman to get a rifled replacement barrel, and those barrels are now obsolete.
(found out mine IS rifled!)
So I said okaay, I will try to reuse the OEM barrel but I need the barrel support, so I called them again.
Those are now obsolete too.
I called and ordered one from Mike Baker.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZihMrXl.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ZihMrXl)
1989 760-C
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I suppose that the new ones are doing what they're designed to do...
But they're no longer something to hang on to and pass down through the generations.
Here's the one I currently use. A '72 Revelation. As you can see, there's a big difference. Were Crosman to issue a new model with a metal receiver, rifled barrel and wood furniture, I'd definitely be interested.
Cheers,
J~
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I don't care that it's not wood and metal...etc, it just doesn't look anything like a 760 and in my mind it is absolutely not a 760.
Pre 2012 they were still a 760, but now they aren't.
If this current thing is a 760 the sky is green.
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what is so different? they went back to single loading, which is good (hated those 5 shot magazines), and extended the front forearm to give wee ones more leverage. cleaned up the hump on the back and streamlined the stock. everything else is 760 standard fare...
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Wendell: that gun you have is by far the nicest 760 made... is all the airgun most people need. tweak it and it will surprise you. only the trigger will remind you of its humble beginnings, but decked out as yours is, im sure you already know that ;)
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We've got three 760's. One is newer design but takes the pellet clip and two newest examples. I can respect the fact others prefer the overall lines of the older models. All I'll say is the increased leverage of newer models is appreciated by a couple of youths I know and probably many more I don't.
I'll agree the newest variation is the most powerful, especially after I ported the valve exhaust and trimmed the valve spring a smidge ;D It's actually making or exceeding "on the box" numbers after this... or maybe was @ 12-ish pumps, I forget. Not important, it rarely sees max pumps anyway.
You can't make everyone happy, I get that... Dang, if I were halfway decent at wood working, I'd attempt to make my own custom stock/foregrip for the current example, just to see how it would go. Hmm...
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Great now I need a brand new 760 ;D
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Wendell: that gun you have is by far the nicest 760 made... is all the airgun most people need. tweak it and it will surprise you. only the trigger will remind you of its humble beginnings, but decked out as yours is, im sure you already know that ;)
Thanks. As I recall the 760-D also came with the rifled barrel.
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ang, if I were halfway decent at wood working, I'd attempt to make my own custom stock/foregrip for the current example, just to see how it would go. Hmm...
And i'll be your first client if you decide to make more. LOL
No, really thou... get back into the wood shop , man :)
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Honestly, I just am not good with woodworking. I'd love to attempt a flared/fatty forearm for the current 760. I'd follow the same lines and all but something for adult sized hands. By the time I'd finish a decent set (butt & fore stock), there'd be a new 760 variant on the market ;D
Those 760's Wendell and Jeff have are very nice indeed. Imagine there are quite a few floating around out there. I do enjoy these little pumpers very much, possibly more than the kids do, Lol.
So... I think my current variant 760 has been stiffened up enough to attempt scoping (maybe). I added a barrel band of sorts just ahead of the receiver. Just a wrap or two of vinyl tape to prevent scratches and tossed a stainless hose clamp on. Has to stand off from receiver about 1/8" so the pump arm can close (needs room to clear support rib in pump arm). Just adding *slight* pressure to draw barrel and tube closer, pinching the receiver between. For whatever reason, this example seems to have a little extra tolerance there and might be a fairly isolated situation, I couldn't say. The stock screw has been snugged up a touch. Seems to have eliminated the wiggles for now ;D
Just have to remember where I stashed that extra tko...
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for what ever it helps, if you are interested in restoring one of these oldies, drop me a line... I know someone that bought 10 or 12 project guns from me (all 760s) from metal to wood to rifled to plastic... let me know what you would like to try, and i may be able to get one sent your way. They will all need cleaning, resealing and being gone over. But they are complete guns. I did the ones i wanted to keep, and passed the rest on. My friend wanted to do something with restoring and then selling them, but i doubt it will get started... he got a million airgun projects ahead of these... well, PM me and i'll look around.
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what is so different? they went back to single loading, which is good (hated those 5 shot magazines), and extended the front forearm to give wee ones more leverage. cleaned up the hump on the back and streamlined the stock. everything else is 760 standard fare...
They don't look anything like a 760 and the looks are what made it a 760, the valves or mechanism were never unique to the 760 and do not a 760 make.
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I picked up a 1966 "tootsie roll" Powermaster 760 at a rummage sale last summer, and after a re-seal, its up & running once again. Last weekend, we had our own rummage, and I had 10 or so airguns out on a table. The 760 got picked up once or twice, but nobody bought it... I doubt anyone knew what it was. I did sell a Crosman V350 though. I was surprised at the overall lack of interest in the pellet & BB guns.
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Have to weigh in here since a mid 80s rifled 760 started it all for me. I am not a fan of the clip/fiber optic or newest variant. I own the new ones and even a Pink version that I got for my daughter. They feel and look like toys and definitely not something my kids would want to pass down to their kids.
There is something about a wood or even styrene with a metal receiver/brass bolt that is appealing to the eye and you feel the quality in your hand. I would definitely be in line to buy one if Crosman ever decides to do another anniversary edition. Can you imagine if they did a re-re on the tootsie roll variant!
Seems like today that kids are into to the full auto CO2 guns and airsoft. Much different than the GenX era I grew up in, where every kid ran through the woods with 760s, 880s and a 2100 if you were the baddest kid on the block.
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Well, after our little thread picked up steam, i went on some reassurance fact checking and Alas, my heart is broken...:(.
Reaching out to some contacts at Crosman, word has come down that East Bloomfield is no more. The operation shall be moved to Arkansas (where Gamo and Daisy reside now), and no plan or concessions have been made for the Good people at Crosman. And as a coup de grace, I have been informed that the 760, last generation is in fact now made in china.
That prompted a frantic trip to walmart (5 of them )and in fact, the box now clearly states "designed in the USA, Made in China". I even scavenged deep in the shelves and found an older box which, almost mockingly, state ONLY "Made in China".
Got a weird look from a lady with a cart full of stuff, as she passed behind this forlorn 50 year old man holding the box down as if it weighed a ton, with his eyes closed to avoid the obvious release of a tear... Minutes later, box went on the shelf, deep breath taken and with the little dignity left in me, went straight to my car... Same lady looked (same look) at me howling inside my truck with the windows up while she was packing her minivan full of bags.
there goes, the end of an era.
I figured i owed it to you guys to say that my comment was a bit antiquated (actually less than a month), but how things change, right? Now lets all take a moment to go into our collective gun cabinets, and reach in for that blocky, or woody pump arm. Close your eyes and remember what adventures we had with our ole 760s by our side.
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Sad...
Are there any (non-pcp) airguns that are still made in the states?
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Well, after our little thread picked up steam, i went on some reassurance fact checking and Alas, my heart is broken...:(.
Reaching out to some contacts at Crosman, word has come down that East Bloomfield is no more. The operation shall be moved to Arkansas (where Gamo and Daisy reside now), and no plan or concessions have been made for the Good people at Crosman. And as a coup de grace, I have been informed that the 760, last generation is in fact now made in china.
That prompted a frantic trip to walmart (5 of them )and in fact, the box now clearly states "designed in the USA, Made in China". I even scavenged deep in the shelves and found an older box which, almost mockingly, state ONLY "Made in China".
Got a weird look from a lady with a cart full of stuff, as she passed behind this forlorn 50 year old man holding the box down as if it weighed a ton, with his eyes closed to avoid the obvious release of a tear... Minutes later, box went on the shelf, deep breath taken and with the little dignity left in me, went straight to my car... Same lady looked (same look) at me howling inside my truck with the windows up while she was packing her minivan full of bags.
there goes, the end of an era.
I figured i owed it to you guys to say that my comment was a bit antiquated (actually less than a month), but how things change, right? Now lets all take a moment to go into our collective gun cabinets, and reach in for that blocky, or woody pump arm. Close your eyes and remember what adventures we had with our ole 760s by our side.
Nice writing, but like I said, sad. I've thought of some questions...
If folks could have their dream 760 (whatever variant/materials) ...BUT it was manufactured/assembled/whatever outside of the U.S.A., would it matter to them?
If younger kids aren't into or getting current model 760's like in years past, why not target those who are buying them? ... "older" kids ;D
Should the 760 be an air 'rifle' or 'gun'? Probably save a bunch just making m4-177 barrels...
This and many more questions might never be answered... (Like how many licks to the center of a tootsie pop? ??? ::) ;D )
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Sad...
Are there any (non-pcp) airguns that are still made in the states?
I think the 2240, 13xx, and maybe the vigilante are ?
I know the 357 / vigilante receiver is used by Bug-a-salt for their co2 pistol which is supposed to be " MADE IN USA " , so I assume the vigilante was still made here.
The daisy 499 is also American made still, though I have to assume a decen number of parts are probably imported.
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I might have a tin of Crosman pellets assembled in USA ???
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I might have a tin of Crosman pellets assembled in USA ???
;D
Knocking an open tin off a bench and putting them back in don't count, Lol