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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Optics, Range estimation & related subjects => Topic started by: Wildman73 on August 26, 2024, 04:44:04 PM
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Hello folks. I an looking for pic to weaver rails in about 8" lengths. Does someone have a source for quality rails they have used? Thank you for looking.
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I'd look on either the Leapers UTG site or Hawke. https://www.leapers.com/ or https://us.hawkeoptics.com/riflescopes.html
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Thanks for that, but a no go.
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Amazon has many different lengths.
If need be you can use more than one.
This one is about 6”
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There are tons out there. Some have built in anti-droop, some don't.
Why do you need an 8 inch one? Most scope rings will be MUCH less when mounted on the Pic rail.
-Yogi
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Just curious. Why Picatinny to Weaver?
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Why Dove-Picrail. Maybe because picatinny mounts have less cant or lean to one side or the other. Also makes it abit easier to mount, remove and remount a scope. It does make your scope sit higher which will push your hit-rehit distance further out. I use a few of them TPO 13 rail is a good one. But like most dovetail railed mounts some need to be worked on to sit level- file until the rail or mounts mount level.
NVak
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Many people don't distinguish between pic and weaver. Experience is the only thing that will make them aware.
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Why Dove-Picrail. Maybe because picatinny mounts have less cant or lean to one side or the other. Also makes it abit easier to mount, remove and remount a scope. It does make your scope sit higher which will push your hit-rehit distance further out. I use a few of them TPO 13 rail is a good one. But like most dovetail railed mounts some need to be worked on to sit level- file until the rail or mounts mount level.
NVak
He asked about pic to Weaver.
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I know, and thought he meant nm. Picatinny is 20mm and Weaver is 21mm or the other way around and their slot width is different, nm also...
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Hello folks. I an looking for pic to weaver rails in about 8" lengths. Does someone have a source for quality rails they have used? Thank you for looking.
Not 8" long but I'v been using these for years...........
(https://i.imgur.com/rnMkLLX.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/Kzc3el7.png)(https://i.imgur.com/JYKOfNy.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/d1qT29A.png)
For 1" scope tubes I use Weaver Quad Lock rings available in medium, high & extra high.........
(https://i.imgur.com/xOpF9SN.png)(https://i.imgur.com/8QpXhuD.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/XmYulwl.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/U5JRaBd.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/FMZ9XSX.jpg)use
For my 30mm tube scopes I use Vector optics 30mm Low Mark Weaver Mount Rings (also available in Low & ghigh profiles). I use this rather narrow version because my Hawke 4-16x44 30mm Compact scope has a rather short distance between the "end bells". I don't know if needed but I line with cloth electrical friction tape.............
(https://i.imgur.com/otdDbXx.png)(https://i.imgur.com/X8tpcqO.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/0N3Sq6C.jpg)
https://www.vectoroptics.com/products/index/sn/Mounts.html?one=Rings%20%26%20Rails
(https://i.imgur.com/0ZE0gn0.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/hDZWgq8.jpg)
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Hi everyone and thanks so much for the replies. I am working on a airforce project and want to completely fill the dovetail 11mm 3/8 to 1/2 weaver or pic rail. Or whatever size it is! I know the difference. My question was mis worded, i apologize. With ONE piece. l used to be able to find cheesy China dov to pic on amazion, 24" lengths, you cut to fit. but alas, my google-foo can't find them anymore. Thank you again everyone.
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Is there a way to edit the title to un confuse things?
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Holy moly just dismounted current set up and discovered the top rail on talon p is freaking bent. I mean TWEAKED. Man what can't someone build a talon p right? Single solid tube turned not extruded! Side cock.with bolt on rails and accepts ar shtuff. I mean exactly like it is. Only much much stronger.
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Is there a way to edit the title to un confuse things?
Title is correct. Text is incorrect. No big deal. I think we knew what he meant.
-Yogi
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Something like this -
11mm Dovetail to 21mm Picatinny (3/8" to 7/8") Rail Adapter 24 Slots, Low Profile Dovetail to Picatinny Rail Adapter 11mm to 21mm Picatinny Convert Mount, Length 10" (260mm) https://a.co/d/1z22qXr
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My man! That is it! That is the exact mount I saw about a year ago but my Google didn't find it again. THANK YOU
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Is there a way to edit the title to un confuse things?
Title is correct. Text is incorrect. No big deal. I think we knew what he meant.
-Yogi
+1.
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These have worked well for me. They’re also available on Amazon at a better price.
https://www.leapers.com/products-utg-mnt-dt2pw01.html
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B007BNHFLQ/ref=sr_1_7?crid=4KQP222NA7MN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ej0hvTJZuYxe0YEKUtNCZSsIOanq75F6BXgfS_zEYpougpZWDgRkK7GUtw_p_0777dvn0qIzby6hpKD3DhRf1Hu-mX9bytYW4wvaGMaY1SbMOJ8b57na1xYXQQlkmcYznKTLQDRthiYJevpTx16G4ApfNJXG7QxOy4pRBZsslGPlBmA1LmanpyPWo_bQFVeSEWwGZWDYd0Z0oi0t0jdmr3ts_hc1iaOZtWNrm-fu7MXqdljM4K_4gt0tNpfmxUf6JdBwYdv8oXqWW2lI3vbTJThi5QDWMwt_kaFKPRaF118.Kp1qypst221NxBY8P-PAntz-LGuMYx9q0w_g0gwwePs&dib_tag=se&keywords=dovetail+to+picatinny+adapter&qid=1725104382&sprefix=Dovetail+to+%2Caps%2C293&sr=8-7
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These have worked well for me. They’re also available on Amazon at a better price.
https://www.leapers.com/products-utg-mnt-dt2pw01.html
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B007BNHFLQ/ref=sr_1_7?crid=4KQP222NA7MN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ej0hvTJZuYxe0YEKUtNCZSsIOanq75F6BXgfS_zEYpougpZWDgRkK7GUtw_p_0777dvn0qIzby6hpKD3DhRf1Hu-mX9bytYW4wvaGMaY1SbMOJ8b57na1xYXQQlkmcYznKTLQDRthiYJevpTx16G4ApfNJXG7QxOy4pRBZsslGPlBmA1LmanpyPWo_bQFVeSEWwGZWDYd0Z0oi0t0jdmr3ts_hc1iaOZtWNrm-fu7MXqdljM4K_4gt0tNpfmxUf6JdBwYdv8oXqWW2lI3vbTJThi5QDWMwt_kaFKPRaF118.Kp1qypst221NxBY8P-PAntz-LGuMYx9q0w_g0gwwePs&dib_tag=se&keywords=dovetail+to+picatinny+adapter&qid=1725104382&sprefix=Dovetail+to+%2Caps%2C293&sr=8-7
I have a set of those around here some place but I can't find them.
The thing for me is... if I'm going to use an adapter to convert dovetail to pic or weaver, why not just use dovetail rings? Basically cutting out the middle man. ;) Would an adapter not have the same issues that dovetail rings might have?
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Never had a problem with them moving, canting or coming loose. Once you tighten down the scope rings, then you tighten down the set screw on the adapter. Rock solid.
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These have worked well for me. They’re also available on Amazon at a better price.
https://www.leapers.com/products-utg-mnt-dt2pw01.html
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B007BNHFLQ/ref=sr_1_7?crid=4KQP222NA7MN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ej0hvTJZuYxe0YEKUtNCZSsIOanq75F6BXgfS_zEYpougpZWDgRkK7GUtw_p_0777dvn0qIzby6hpKD3DhRf1Hu-mX9bytYW4wvaGMaY1SbMOJ8b57na1xYXQQlkmcYznKTLQDRthiYJevpTx16G4ApfNJXG7QxOy4pRBZsslGPlBmA1LmanpyPWo_bQFVeSEWwGZWDYd0Z0oi0t0jdmr3ts_hc1iaOZtWNrm-fu7MXqdljM4K_4gt0tNpfmxUf6JdBwYdv8oXqWW2lI3vbTJThi5QDWMwt_kaFKPRaF118.Kp1qypst221NxBY8P-PAntz-LGuMYx9q0w_g0gwwePs&dib_tag=se&keywords=dovetail+to+picatinny+adapter&qid=1725104382&sprefix=Dovetail+to+%2Caps%2C293&sr=8-7
These have worked well for me. They’re also available on Amazon at a better price.
https://www.leapers.com/products-utg-mnt-dt2pw01.html
https://www.amazon.com/UTG-Airgun-Picatinny-Weaver-Adaptor/dp/B007BNHFLQ/ref=sr_1_7?crid=4KQP222NA7MN&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.ej0hvTJZuYxe0YEKUtNCZSsIOanq75F6BXgfS_zEYpougpZWDgRkK7GUtw_p_0777dvn0qIzby6hpKD3DhRf1Hu-mX9bytYW4wvaGMaY1SbMOJ8b57na1xYXQQlkmcYznKTLQDRthiYJevpTx16G4ApfNJXG7QxOy4pRBZsslGPlBmA1LmanpyPWo_bQFVeSEWwGZWDYd0Z0oi0t0jdmr3ts_hc1iaOZtWNrm-fu7MXqdljM4K_4gt0tNpfmxUf6JdBwYdv8oXqWW2lI3vbTJThi5QDWMwt_kaFKPRaF118.Kp1qypst221NxBY8P-PAntz-LGuMYx9q0w_g0gwwePs&dib_tag=se&keywords=dovetail+to+picatinny+adapter&qid=1725104382&sprefix=Dovetail+to+%2Caps%2C293&sr=8-7
I have a set of those around here some place but I can't find them.
The thing for me is... if I'm going to use an adapter to convert dovetail to pic or weaver, why not just use dovetail rings? Basically cutting out the middle man. ;) Would an adapter not have the same issues that dovetail rings might have?
I tried those adapter inserts a few years ago and found that they were "a bit wonky"l on my "round receiver" HW95 so they were tossed.
Over the years I've been plagued with dovetail mounts slipping on my .177 Beeman R9 tuned to 13-14 fpe, even when the base screws were torqued to "destruction tightness". The mount stop pin even deformed my R9 & HW95 stop pin holes with recoil..........
(https://i.imgur.com/e85ASii.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/YGxzn9v.jpg)
I then bought a BKL two piece scope mount which uses no stop pins. Problem was that the scope and mount still slipped even though the base screws were torqued in excess of the BKL recommended max 35 in/lbs. LOL, you can see the "buldged base screw seats" from the excess torque in this pic.........
(https://i.imgur.com/gUh6khC.jpg)
Another issue I had with the two piece BKL mount was that the scope tube was damaged when using a "normal" 15 in/lbs torque on the rather narrow top straps but the scope slipped when using 10 in/lbs of top strap screw torque.......
(https://i.imgur.com/vk6Vlyx.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/8u7bshQ.jpg)
Next I bought a BKL one piece mount and it also slipped on the receiver using excess base screw torque just like the two piece mount...........
(https://i.imgur.com/eQu97U8.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/O3URm2L.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eQu97U8.jpg)
To solve the "deformed top pin hole issue" I machined a "sacrificial insert" for the receiver..........
(https://i.imgur.com/NqHbgmH.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/cf84y3X.jpg)
The "scope mount hole sacrificial insert" solved the "reformed receiver issue" however after I bought a Hawke Airmax 30SF scope I found that the "normal width" of two 4 screw stop straps piece scope mount wouldn't fit between the scope bells without milling a notch in one of the mounts to clar the side wheel.........
(https://i.imgur.com/6DEN4t8.jpg)
After a bit of searching I noticed that there was a "narrow mount" with four top strap screws, however it was a "Weaver/Picatinny style" mount. To use this set of rings I found an UTG universal adapter which included stop pins and ordered one. The combination of "sacrificial insert", UTG adapter and narrow Vector Optics rings "worked a treat", even with the Hawke compact scope. LOL....no more scope slippage or further receiver tube damage.........
(https://i.imgur.com/vYBdFvi.jpg)
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The rifles I use the UTG adapters on are all PCPs. Big difference from a springer, obviously.