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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: Pellethuntr on June 08, 2024, 09:51:18 AM
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I think we all know by now that Daisy purchased Crossman. But if you haven't heard yet now you know!
I have lived within an hour of the Bloomfield plant my whole life. I have many friend and relatives that have worked there. I bumped into a gentleman last night at work and the topic of him looking for a new job came up. I asked him where he worked currently and he told me that he worked for Crosman. He proceeded to tell me that Daisy is shutting down the plant and moving everything to Arkansas.
I have purchased Crosman airguns my whole life. I realize that they make very little here in the US anymore (it's mostly assembly at the plant) but I have always felt like by supporting them I was supporting my local community and keeping food on peoples tables. I am optimistic that the Crosman name and parts availability will be carried on by Daisy but only time will tell.
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Side note: Does anyone know if Daisy purchased everything Velocity Outdoors or was it just the Crosman name and brand?
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Side note: Does anyone know if Daisy purchased everything Velocity Outdoors or was it just the Crosman name and brand?
Official reports claim all of Velocity Outdoors
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I wonder if this spells the end of the custom shop ?
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People in Arkansas need food on the table too, so better there than Bengla Desh at least. I wonder what happens to the Crosman service stations? Gamo and BSA are probably the least responsive manufacturers in terms of parts, product support and service.
A few years back, at the ShotShow, I asked the CEO of Hatsan USA why so many airgun companies are headquartered in Arkansas. He said that most
American airgun executives had started at Daisy, lived there, didn't want to move so just moved the company instead. The foreign owners are ok with Arkansas, don't need pricey addresses.
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Im an optimistic pessimist….lets hope a dollar can still be made …as soon as it cant …read the fine print…….good luck
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I was surprised that crosman stayed in NY to begin with. It seems to me it would be so much more expensive to do business there than AR. Taxes!
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Arkansas is a very gun friendly state! Charles
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Gamo owns Daisey and now Crosman.
Anyone believes that is a good thing?
Glad I've got my REAL Crosmans.
End of an era............
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Gamo owns Daisey and now Crosman.
Anyone believes that is a good thing?
Glad I've got my REAL Crosmans.
End of an era............
I don't want to believe it, but I'm inclined to think you may be right sir :(
Ray
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Gamo, Europe's largest manufacturer of airguns, took over BSA Guns in the 1980s, and manufacturing was subsequently divided between the two firms, with the springers being made in Spain and the PCPs in England; now both brands are owned by an American private equity group, BRS. Bruckmann, Rosser, Sherill & Co, a New York-based private equity firm.
Dec 13, 2023
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I was surprised that crosman stayed in NY to begin with. It seems to me it would be so much more expensive to do business there than AR. Taxes!
This 100%
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So what is the consensus now ?
Should I stock pile a bunch of 2240's ?
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So what is the consensus now ?
Should I stock pile a bunch of 2240's ?
Their LW barrels are a must have :-*
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Nobody from Crosman knows anything..or at least they ain't talkin'
All I know is that parts for CURRENT PRODUCTION 2100's and Legacy 1000's have been obsoleted.......... except for the valve
If the part # starts with 2100...................nope.
totally obscene...........
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So what is the consensus now ?
Should I stock pile a bunch of 2240's ?
Their LW barrels are a must have :-*
Man, wouldn't that be the perfect way get a sudden boost on sales? just sayin'.
Me? I'm gonna ride it out and see where it goes. Crosman's most recent offerings didn't do anything warm and fuzzy for me anyways.
Worse case scenario for me would be that all those custom lego builds that I put way too much money in might become obsolete and I may be able to recover just a little bit of my investment. The way it is right now, I'll never get back any where near what I put in. :-\
The way I see it is that the problems got bad for them when the big box brick and mortars succumbed to the pressures and stopped selling them.
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As long as they leave crosman customer service and parts alone…and we dont have to call Mumbai…i can live with it…good luck
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I'm pretty sure I contacted with a few receptionists there and ordered lots of Crosman springs and doo-dats with help from them. Sorry to hear they're closing shop there...I was in Quebec back then, and it was just a bit over the Can.- US border.
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The timing is interesting considering the release of the anniversary edition 362. It is a shame to hear this, nothing against Daisy. Hopefully the changes won't be too drastic but if they are closing the New York shop and parts are already being obsoleted on current airguns... doesn't look promising for their awesome parts department. Just have to wait and see where the chips fall when it is all said and done.
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It is indeed the end of an era... No museum, no crosman FT, no custom shop... and soon enough you wont be able to buy parts... neither from Daisy or crosman. Has anyone tried to get Gamo to send them parts? impossible to say the least...
Plus anyone noticed that the day Daisy got bought out by Gamo, the daisy 880 went from 35$ to 70$? the RR up to 35 from 25, the buck from 18 to 30... nothing changed but the overlords...
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Bill is right about a sudden boost in sales. I'm good partwise on my 13xx guns but guess I better get a small list together for my original 362. I have nothing related to that one other than some 13xx valves and two modified barrel bands. A couple pistons definitely, a pump arm linkage or two as well.
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It is indeed the end of an era... No museum, no crosman FT, no custom shop... and soon enough you wont be able to buy parts... neither from Daisy or crosman. Has anyone tried to get Gamo to send them parts? impossible to say the least...
Plus anyone noticed that the day Daisy got bought out by Gamo, the daisy 880 went from 35$ to 70$? the RR up to 35 from 25, the buck from 18 to 30... nothing changed but the overlords...
That pretty much killed the 105 for me.
At $17-$20 I can't count how many I've bought and modified, but at $30 that extra $10 +tax just adds enough risk to potentially ruining the gun that it's not worth it anymore.
They're still a good 1st air gun for 7 year olds as intended though.
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Well, I hope it’s not true but I had a feeling everything was about to be gutted, outsourced and prices jacked up.
“Everything being moved to Arkansas”. So none of the senior employees who are skilled at making guns... Not that I think they’ll make anything there, all Daisy’s are made in China they just keep an office in the state.
Plus anyone noticed that the day Daisy got bought out by Gamo, the daisy 880 went from 35$ to 70$? the RR up to 35 from 25, the buck from 18 to 30... nothing changed but the overlords...
Yup
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Starting to sound like it's time to buy parts before you can't?
I'm thinking the benjamin line won't change much in... hopefully not in terms of parts availability.
Dang. Hard to say. I feel spoiled by crosman customer service compared to other brands (except for those who show up on gta).
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Not to mention the kind and generous interaction we sometimes have with their engineers. If those folks are based out of the new York plant, that will probably be a thing of the past as well.
I got what few things I needed ordered yesterday. Some lady as always, very friendly and very helpful.
;D
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What a pity!
Another piece of tradition bites the dust.
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I would guess one of the after market vendors would buy the existing parts inventory for discontinued guns but probably raise the prices. At least they may be available for a while if the do. It does not seem likely to me that Daisy would maintain parts for discontinued Crosman guns.
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What a shame. I heard rumors but was hoping it wasn't true.
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I would guess one of the after market vendors would buy the existing parts inventory for discontinued guns but probably raise the prices. At least they may be available for a while if the do. It does not seem likely to me that Daisy would maintain parts for discontinued Crosman guns.
I would like to HOPE that they would sell the parts, however.........they THREW AWAY, DISPOSED OF, S**T CANNED thousands
of parts for the US made 2100 Rifles. INTO THE DUMPSTER...... LITERALLY !!
So, if THAT is any indication, we all may be S.O.L ...........
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I don't think it's been said in this thread yet so I'm just going to toss it out there...
Daisy has a pretty good reputation for customer service and parts... things could be alot worse if someone else bought Crosman out.
I'm not sure if the CMP program uses Crosman airguns. I think it's mostly Daisy. I hope they involve more Crosman stuff now.
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Think of the legions of fans worlds wide that have supported the companies for more than a century ….at the end of the day it’s FU and no dinner…lol
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Whoa... wait....WHAT??
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So what is the consensus now ?
Should I stock pile a bunch of 2240's ?
All the 2240's are now made in China.
SAD!
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9 out of 10 things are made in China. Funny
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Whoa... wait....WHAT??
[chuckling]
Scott goes on hiatus and crosman is pushin daisies.
Or wait... It's the other way around? [chuckling]
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Well things from china aren't going to be as cheap anymore. Who knows, some of crosman's products might start being made here again.🤩
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Well, they updated the website late December, looks more like the Daisy one now. And they've also done away with free shipping (closer to $15 now) charge sales tax, and no 20% coupon. We had it pretty good the last few years...
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I'm disappointed to read this. Those support folks in Bloomfield are in a league of their own. Maybe they can work remotely...
-W
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Because Crosman's customer service has always supported their products so enthusiastically they built up a dependable market of hobbyist for parts and accessories. This spawned a healthy aftermarket industry for Lego gun parts. Crosman's CS enabled a lot of us to take our shooting hobby to the next level and actually build and tune guns. I'm afraid that is going to end. I hope the aftermarket folks can step up and keep providing parts and upgrades so I can keep on enjoying my favorite guns.
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Anybody ever manage to buy parts from Gamo?
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Anybody ever manage to buy parts from Gamo?
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Gamo CS will tell you that they only ship to a FFL.
I wonder if they would ship to a C&R?
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Anybody ever manage to buy parts from Gamo?
I have ordered Gamo parts from TW Chambers Airgun Spares in the UK. They list parts diagrams at their website for many Gamos. They ship Royal Mail and I ordered parts for several makes of imported guns that are hard to find in the USA. Never had a problem with them and parts came in 10-12 days. It has been a few years since I ordered but would do so again if I could not find here. Gamo USA hardly list anything on their website.
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I have ordered a Gamo part or 2 from Ark.......seems to me that I had to get some sort of permission IIRC
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I got my Urban magazines warranted.
It was a protracted process, very long and mentally painful.
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I have ordered parts before here, for the older Gamo P23... they are in the U.K.
they have a number of Gamo parts.
https://www.airgunspares.com/airgun-spares
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Anybody ever manage to buy parts from Gamo?
I have ordered Gamo parts from TW Chambers Airgun Spares in the UK. They list parts diagrams at their website for many Gamos. They ship Royal Mail and I ordered parts for several makes of imported guns that are hard to find in the USA. Never had a problem with them and parts came in 10-12 days. It has been a few years since I ordered but would do so again if I could not find here. Gamo USA hardly list anything on their website.
I have also ordered from Chambers, everything arrived well, spring was shipped inside one of those heavy duty adjustable plastic tubes with partial threading and put inside a shipping envelope. If you can't find it in your country then they are a good option.
The only minor annoyance is that their parts diagrams are modified to only show their custom parts numbers and not the manufacturer parts numbers.
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Anybody ever manage to buy parts from Gamo?
I have ordered Gamo parts from TW Chambers Airgun Spares in the UK. They list parts diagrams at their website for many Gamos. They ship Royal Mail and I ordered parts for several makes of imported guns that are hard to find in the USA. Never had a problem with them and parts came in 10-12 days. It has been a few years since I ordered but would do so again if I could not find here. Gamo USA hardly list anything on their website.
I have also ordered from Chambers, everything arrived well, spring was shipped inside one of those heavy duty adjustable plastic tubes with partial threading and put inside a shipping envelope. If you can't find it in your country then they are a good option.
The only minor annoyance is that their parts diagrams are modified to only show their custom parts numbers and not the manufacturer parts numbers.
Much more than a minor annoyance IMO
Especially when a manufacturer lists different variations for some parts and distinguishes them via different part numbers
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Didn’t mean to hijak this thread. Just that Gamo, who bought or controls BSA, now Daisy, and by implication now Crosman, not worthy at customer service. Seemed relevant to Daisy acquiring Velocity Outdoors. Hopefully it will be a while before the Gamo mentality filters through to Daisy or Crosman, so I have time to figure out what parts I might possibly need in the future and get them ordered.
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Didn’t mean to hijak this thread. Just that Gamo, who bought or controls BSA, now Daisy, and by implication now Crosman, not worthy at customer service. Seemed relevant to Daisy acquiring Velocity Outdoors. Hopefully it will be a while before the Gamo mentality filters through to Daisy or Crosman, so I have time to figure out what parts I might possibly need in the future and get them ordered.
Daisy did not acquire Velocity. They only bought Crosman.
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On an unrelated note.......
Crosman moved all their parts to Rodgers...........
They are supposed to be back in operation now.
I will make some calls to find out what's up.
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On an unrelated note.......
Crosman moved all their parts to Rodgers...........
They are supposed to be back in operation now.
I will make some calls to find out what's up.
I think that is very related. Thanks for looking into it.
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On an unrelated note.......
I think that is very related. Thanks for looking into it.
Yes, Sheldon, that was sarcasm........
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On an unrelated note.......
Crosman moved all their parts to Rodgers...........
They are supposed to be back in operation now.
I will make some calls to find out what's up.
Did they move the NY employees too?
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On an unrelated note.......
Crosman moved all their parts to Rodgers...........
They are supposed to be back in operation now.
I will make some calls to find out what's up.
Did they move the NY employees too?
Here's the latest...........
The parts supposedly have arrived in Arkansas, at least according to Crosman.
The Daisy CS people are not aware of this..
The parts are not in Daisy's system......
Crosman CS personnel are still in NY..........call them for parts or tech support.
They can enter parts orders, but it is unclear as to how soon they will be shipped.
Now y'all know as much as me........
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Daisy did not acquire Velocity. They only bought Crosman.
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Interesting. I thought it was the whole package. I see Crosman/Benjamin are listed at exhibitors at the Shot Show. Velocity Outdoors is not.
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Since the new Crosman says "made in china" on it, does that mean we have to move to the Asian gate?
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Since the new Crosman says "made in china" on it, does that mean we have to move to the Asian gate?
Daisy been that way for many years now.............
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Daisy did not acquire Velocity. They only bought Crosman.
Interesting. I thought it was the whole package. I see Crosman/Benjamin are listed at exhibitors at the Shot Show. Velocity Outdoors is not.
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My understanding about Velocity Outdoor is that it is like a leverage company that buys out various brands and puts them under its wing
That is what I recall from when they bought Crosman
Correct me if I am mistaken, please.
Edward
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Daisy did not acquire Velocity. They only bought Crosman.
Interesting. I thought it was the whole package. I see Crosman/Benjamin are listed at exhibitors at the Shot Show. Velocity Outdoors is not.
My understanding about Velocity Outdoor is that it is like a leverage company that buys out various brands and puts them under its wing
That is what I recall from when they bought Crosman
Correct me if I am mistaken, please.
Edward
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Daisy did not acquire Velocity. They only bought Crosman.
Interesting. I thought it was the whole package. I see Crosman/Benjamin are listed at exhibitors at the Shot Show. Velocity Outdoors is not.
My understanding about Velocity Outdoor is that it is like a leverage company that buys out various brands and puts them under its wing
That is what I recall from when they bought Crosman
Correct me if I am mistaken, please.
Edward
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That's how I understand as well.
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On an unrelated note.......
Crosman moved all their parts to Rodgers...........
They are supposed to be back in operation now.
I will make some calls to find out what's up.
Hope that means my parts order (2220-103 and other bits) will ship soon. :( ::) ;)
I think I must have ordered two days before this move began - and there was no mention of the coming upheavel.
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"SOON" being the operative word...........
Parts are there.........orders can be placed with NY
Unclear as to when shipping will commence.........
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Good for them it way cheaper to operate a business. Look at blue California in the pass 17yrs over 70K companies left crazy California and these applies to NY as well. Its very very very expense to operate free this and free that - socialism. This what Kevin O'Leary point out about NY and California.
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Good for them it way cheaper to operate a business. Look at blue California in the pass 17yrs over 70K companies left crazy California and these applies to NY as well. Its very very very expense to operate free this and free that - socialism. This what Kevin O'Leary point out about NY and California.
Discussion of politics is a big NO NO here on the forum. Persisting will only get this thread locked. Please refrain.
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I have had an order into Crosman for 3 weeks come Tuesday. It took 3 weeks for them to resume taking orders after they shut down to move the parts dept. When they finally started taking orders they thought about 10 days to ship. Everything I have on order is for Marauders and Challengers. They said those parts will ship from NY since those guns will still be made in NY. Hopefully I’ll hear something soon.
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I got a bad barrel with my 362 last year. I've been refraining from calling Crosman as I guess I figure it's too risky at this point as they figure things out. Might get a barrel elsewhere.
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I got a bad barrel with my 362 last year. I've been refraining from calling Crosman as I guess I figure it's too risky at this point as they figure things out. Might get a barrel elsewhere.
Quite a few of those barrels didn't shoot well. Neither one of mine did.. that actually made the decision to convert to .177 easier. But I have chopped, crowned and scrubbed those barrels since and they are working well on other builds.
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I got a bad barrel with my 362 last year. I've been refraining from calling Crosman as I guess I figure it's too risky at this point as they figure things out. Might get a barrel elsewhere.
Quite a few of those barrels didn't shoot well. Neither one of mine did.. that actually made the decision to convert to .177 easier. But I have chopped, crowned and scrubbed those barrels since and they are working well on other builds.
Do you have a link to your preferred crowning instructions, Bill? I've seen vids on the screw and paste approach, but it's been a while.
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I got a bad barrel with my 362 last year. I've been refraining from calling Crosman as I guess I figure it's too risky at this point as they figure things out. Might get a barrel elsewhere.
Quite a few of those barrels didn't shoot well. Neither one of mine did.. that actually made the decision to convert to .177 easier. But I have chopped, crowned and scrubbed those barrels since and they are working well on other builds.
Do you have a link to your preferred crowning instructions, Bill? I've seen vids on the screw and paste approach, but it's been a while.
LOL... most wouldn't accept my method. I score the barrels with a pipe cutter and hack them off with a hand saw. I burnish the outer diameter with a grinding wheel and bevel the inside with a drill bit. Then I polish the face with a buffing wheel and finish the inner bevel with a cone stone on the Dremel. Ain't had a bad one yet. ;)
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Do you have a link to your preferred crowning instructions, Bill? I've seen vids on the screw and paste approach, but it's been a while.
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LOL... most wouldn't accept my method. I score the barrels with a pipe cutter and hack them off with a hand saw. I burnish the outer diameter with a grinding wheel and bevel the inside with a drill bit. Then I polish the face with a buffing wheel and finish the inner bevel with a cone stone on the Dremel. Ain't had a bad one yet. ;)
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This should be a STICKEY
Can you add a video?
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Do you have a link to your preferred crowning instructions, Bill? I've seen vids on the screw and paste approach, but it's been a while.
LOL... most wouldn't accept my method. I score the barrels with a pipe cutter and hack them off with a hand saw. I burnish the outer diameter with a grinding wheel and bevel the inside with a drill bit. Then I polish the face with a buffing wheel and finish the inner bevel with a cone stone on the Dremel. Ain't had a bad one yet. ;)
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This should be a STICKEY
Can you add a video?
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LOL Edward... you don't wanna see that and I don't want to suffer the ridicule. :-\
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[chuckling]. That sounds more my style, Bill. What size drill bit for the inner and do you use any paste with the bit or the cone on the inner?
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I find that just spinning the Dremel cone stone with my fingertips is often enough grind the bevel on cheap springers. I'd go easy with the Dremel to start with.
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[chuckling]. That sounds more my style, Bill. What size drill bit for the inner and do you use any paste with the bit or the cone on the inner?
That depends on the caliber but usually a 3/8 drill bit does it. And I don't use any paste. Just the finest stone I have.. the white ones mostly. Basically I'm just trying to clean up the ends of the lands and grooves.
I know alot of guys spend alot more time to polish things to a mirror finish and do exact angle but what I do works for me and I will keep doing it this way until it don't.
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If you go a few rotations with that pipe cutter, you can put a choke on that barrel. A little clean up on the exterior, but it has worked for me.
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I find that just spinning the Dremel cone stone with my fingertips is often enough grind the bevel on cheap springers. I'd go easy with the Dremel to start with.
I'll give that a try. I don't have a cone, so gonna buy a white one and spin with the fingers before the tool.
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They also make a diamond encrusted rubber cone. We used them for polishing dies in the automotive stamping industry.
https://a.co/d/cF3M5RH
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Just talked to Crosman in NY today about a parts order I have had in since 01/14/25. NY will take pcp parts orders but they will ship from Arkansas. They still have 13 skids of parts that were shipped from NY with no knowledge of what’s packed on the skid. They said probably another 3 weeks before they will be unpacked and inventoried. Probably the worst parts dept move since Dunkirk. But they will take your order and money then send an order confirmation in 12 hours.
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They also make a diamond encrusted rubber cone. We used them for polishing dies in the automotive stamping industry.
https://a.co/d/cF3M5RH
Thanks, Bill!
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They also make a diamond encrusted rubber cone. We used them for polishing dies in the automotive stamping industry.
https://a.co/d/cF3M5RH
Thanks, Bill!
You can dress and shape those with a lava stone too.