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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: mindsweeper333 on May 05, 2024, 09:47:27 PM
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Excerpt from my CD “Old Airguns and Memories”
Hello to all;
Crosman introduced the M-400 Dual Co2 cartridge Repeater. 22 cal. in 1957 trigger block thru stock, in 1962 they came out with the second variant, adjustable trigger and safety located on the cast trigger housing. Production ceased in 1964.
The M-400 did not use the much more complicated repeating system employed in the M-118 series, instead the M-400 utilized a new external twist rod actuated shuttle system (Crosman called it swing -feed loading) they did however maintain the same detachable in - line 10 round magazine of the M-118. The first variant 400 was said to have a "Load Indicator" incorporated in the system, the 2nd variant did not at least mine did not!!
Crosman really touted the barrel on the M-400, they called them "TRU-FLYTE HEAVY DUTY BARRELS, WITH PRECISION "BUTTON RIFLING" found only in more expensive rifles, referencing firearms barrels no doubt.
The M-400 was really a very compact unit with a weight of 4lb OAL 34". It had a standard elevator type rear sight adjusted for windage and elevation and a wood stock.
One further note the M-400 does not have the anti-double feed device employed with the M-118 so due diligence is necessary to avoid double loading!!!!!!
The M-400 UTILIZED 2 -12gm. Co2 cartridges, velocity was quoted at 450 fps, (we shall see that this figure was considerably understated as was the accuracy @ 1/2 inch groups @ 25 ft.)
Operation of the bolt did not cock the rifle but rather facilitated loading of the pellet from the shuttle to the barrel. Cocking was accomplished with a cocking button at the rear of the action there were two power cocking positions low and fully to the rear high.
The safety lever (second variant) is located on the right side of the trigger guard and is rotated back towards the rear for safe and flicked forward to fire. Charging the rifle you have to unscrew the front Knurled Tube Cap with piercing pin insert the first Co2 cartridge small neck down and the second small neck up, replace the front Knurled Tube Cap and tighten to pierce the top Co2 cartridge and back off 1/8 turn piercing the front cartridge and then cock the rifle (make sure it is not loaded) and fire to pierce the second Co2 cartridge, the rifle is now charged!!
Loading the magazine; retract the small protruding pin, and rotate up and lock in slot, load 10 pellets and, with rifle pointing up insert magazine push forward until the magazine detent locks in place, rotate pin out of lock slot and allow to move forward placing tension on loaded pellets.
I obtained my M-400 at a Gun Show in Kerrville, Texas in 1986 it was in good shape had the original magazine, but would not hold a charge. I did a complete valve rebuild and shot the 400 many times over the intervening years using Crosman match type pellets, power and accuracy were very good and the repeating mechanism was impressive.
In 2010 I rebuilt the valve system again and performed a few other techniques, clearance bushing for the action lock stud and shimming the front of the stock for a solid lockup. I also decided to mount a scope at this time. I had a Tasco 3/4 3x7x20 on hand adjusted the parallax to 25 yds. I looked around to see what I could do for a mount system. I found a Sheridan 2-piece clamp on mount in my parts bin and a set of 1" Weaver tip off rings and was set to go except for a couple of things!! The Sheridan clamp mount was for a .345 inch barrel and the Crosman barrel measured .565!!!!
So I secured the clamp mount vertically in my mill and drilled the out the center circumference to 31/64 or .484" done. Still had 1 inch rings and a 3/4 inch scope!!! Simple I had some 1 inch round nylon stock, chucked it up in the lathe center drilled with a 3/4 inch drill then cut the drilled nylon stock in half width wise and used them, cut to length as reducers in the Weaver 1 inch rings and it was good to go!!!! Ron Robinson clamp mounts would have avoided all this!!!
(*I did get some RR Mounts later and switched to them.) The adjustable trigger was set @ 3.0 - 3.5 lbs sear was moly lubed, this is all that is necessary and perfectly adequate and safe.
Field range test were conducted @ 25 yds. RWS Match 14.0 grains and RWS 11.9 grains Match Hobby pellets were used. The first two 5 shot accuracy test utilized the Hobby pellets #1- .920" center to center #2- 1.130"(disappointing to say the least!) The third target was shot with the RWS Match 14.0 grains and measured .520" center to center, This is what Crosman claimed at @ 25 FT!!!
This is what this rifle and ammo combo is really capable of!!! Velocity with the Hobby pellets average for first 10 shots was high 642 fps low 625 fps for an average of 633 fps 10.6 ft. lbs., just did not meet the accuracy standards the M-400 was capable of with the RWS Match .
The next 40 shots with RWS Match 14.0 grain pellet measured a high of 602 fps and a low of 592 fps. for an average of 597 fps 11.8 ft. lbs. (50-60 usable shots on high power setting are possible on this rifle)! No I did not use the low power setting, just not interested!!
The .520" groups were repeatable with the RWS Match pellets, maybe there is something to the" TRU-FLYTE HEAVY BARRELS!!!!! Truly remarkable performance from a 62 year old CO2 Rifle, really glad I HAVE MINE!!!
Garey
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Thanks, Garey,
This is much appreciated. I have the earlier version with the safety through the stock.
My version didn't come with the two power settings.
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Matchstickshooter;
Thanks for looking in and your comments , appreciated. I have read some early M400 units had 2 and some had only one cocking position, i don't know, at least I know now there were some with one cocking position , thanks too you., never seem to have all the information we need or want .History on these old units is fun to look into!!
Regards,
Garey
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Matchstickshooter;
Thanks for looking in and your comments , appreciated. I have read some early M400 units had 2 and some had only one cocking position, i don't know, at least I know now there were some with one cocking position , thanks too you., never seem to have all the information we need or want .History on these old units is fun to look into!!
Regards,
Garey
This came to me needing all seals replaced, and major rust. Also, the mag was missing. But I got a lot of help/tips from our members.
The mag was new manufacture, passed on to me, and had too big a spring in it. I cut two coils.
Inside the valve, the end of the stem had to be filed off a bit, because of chatter. It would chatter like crazy. Had it apart many times! lol
(http://i.imgur.com/ZmXgpNg.jpg) (https://imgur.com/ZmXgpNg)
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Matchstickshooter;
Nice outcome on your M-400 congrats!!
Regards
Garey
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Thanks, Garey, I did better on that than the 114 you ended up with years ago.
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Matchstickshooter;
You will have to refresh my memory on that 114 transaction, making my 84th trip around the sun now, somethings are fading, I do know if i got a 114 from you I still have it as I never get rid of any of my collection of Airguns, nor will I; too family members only!!!!!!!
Garey
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Tried my best to get it to seal, and couldn't do it. I was on the old Crosman forum sight at the time. Put it in the classifieds there and you grabbed it.
you found a burr on the valve face and cleaned it off.
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Aah, now I remember thanks, yep still have it and as I said will remain with me !!!
Thanks;
Garey
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Aah, now I remember thanks, yep still have it and as I said will remain with me !!!
Thanks;
Garey
and you did it up right!
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I enjoy my 400.
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Nice writeup!
The Crosman 400 (as with the 160 and 180) came from the time of Crosman's golden age, IMO.
My 400 is a 1st variant. I prefer the 2nd variant diecast adjustable trigger group, as on my 180's.
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TerryM,
Thanks for looking in, nice C400 you have!!!
Garey
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Craig H,
I agree the 50s&60s were Crosmans Golden Age !!!!
Garey
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I really love my 1962 model 400.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3rFSBHS5/20240129-130639.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YjjzrTBb)
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Bantam5s
Thanks for sharing , very nice 62 Model 400!
Regards ;
Garey
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I don't know if it's just my gun or not, but feeding can be finicky, and I have found that the best practice is to life the bolt handle then rapidly run the bolt straight back & forth.
Try to lift and run the bolt handle all in one motion often creates a minor hitch / pause that leads to feeding troubles.
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I don't know if it's just my gun or not, but feeding can be finicky, and I have found that the best practice is to life the bolt handle then rapidly run the bolt straight back & forth.
Try to lift and run the bolt handle all in one motion often creates a minor hitch / pause that leads to feeding troubles.
Mine is a first variant, and that linkage is worn. Very finicky.
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I don't know if it's just my gun or not, but feeding can be finicky, and I have found that the best practice is to life the bolt handle then rapidly run the bolt straight back & forth.
Try to lift and run the bolt handle all in one motion often creates a minor hitch / pause that leads to feeding troubles.
Mine is a first variant, and that linkage is worn. Very finicky.
What year ?
Mine is a '62 and I don't think it's all that worn, but it's still a bit finicky.
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I have looked that all over, and can find no serial number, or date stamp on the plug.
It has the safety through the stock though. When I get a chance I'll look again.
I even went through my old posts from last Summer and found no date.
Mine seems to have a lot of slop between the rectangular hole on the breech cover and the rail that rides in it.
Best way to tell it loads is watch the pin on the mag.
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Some comments on C400 feeding;
The Crosman 400 and Crosman 118 both use a"Swing load system"and as such require a pellet with the same diameter front and rear dimensions so the rear pellet will not extend into the front pellet that is being fed causing a misfeed or hang up.
The Original "Crosman Super Pell" Pellet met this requirement, of course they are no longer available, I have found the RWS Match meets this requirement, and what I use in both my M 400 and M 118 .
I have also read where some folks are able to use any pellet with no problem, all I can say is congrats.
Garey
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Some comments on C400 feeding;
The Crosman 400 and Crosman 118 both use a"Swing load system"and as such require a pellet with the same diameter front and rear dimensions so the rear pellet will not extend into the front pellet that is being fed causing a misfeed or hang up.
The Original "Crosman Super Pell" Pellet met this requirement, of course they are no longer available, I have found the RWS Match meets this requirement, and what I use in both my M 400 and M 118 .
I have also read where some folks are able to use any pellet with no problem, all I can say is congrats.
Garey
I have the best luck with wad cutters, but it's still finicky.
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Matchstickshooter;
One way to be sure your pellets are not extending into the front pellet when in the mag, is simply hold one in your left thumb and forefinger with skirt facing right and put the other in your right right thumb and fore finger with front facing left simulating their location in the mag. and look closely as you move them to flush, you should be able to slide the rear pellet off with no restriction or hangup.
Yep, simple but it will tell you if their is any entry into the forward pellet skirt when positioned in mag. This is what I do, some may consider this a waste of time , so be it.
Regards;
Garey
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Some comments on C400 feeding;
The Crosman 400 and Crosman 118 both use a"Swing load system"and as such require a pellet with the same diameter front and rear dimensions so the rear pellet will not extend into the front pellet that is being fed causing a misfeed or hang up.
The Original "Crosman Super Pell" Pellet met this requirement, of course they are no longer available, I have found the RWS Match meets this requirement, and what I use in both my M 400 and M 118 .
I have also read where some folks are able to use any pellet with no problem, all I can say is congrats.
Garey
I have the best luck with wad cutters, but it's still finicky.
Mine does best with wadcutters but isn't bad with CPHP's, I tried some Crosman points because somebody had given me a couple tons and they just would not feed at all.
I occasionally get hangups no matter what, but that mostly seems to be in the breech area I think.
I'm not exactly looking carefully at the mechanism when operating it because I've found it best to run the bolt rough and fast, but they seem to mostly feed into the loading arm just fine.
I think filling in the top of the screw hole with wax or something might eliminate most of the hiccups I encounter .
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Bantam5s,
Just noticed your post on filling screw hole with wax on loading arm, this may be where your problem is ; the loading arm should have 2 screws; first to adjust feeding and the second on top to act as a lock screw after adjusting for feeding.
Regards ;
Garey
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Bantam5s,
Just noticed your post on filling screw hole with wax on loading arm, this may be where your problem is ; the loading arm should have 2 screws; first to adjust feeding and the second on top to act as a lock screw after adjusting for feeding.
Regards ;
Garey
I was talking about the screw hole in the breech which I think pellets may be hanging up on, but I will look for the 2 screws you mentioned and see if any adjustment can be made.
I only remember one screw, but it's been awhile since I last did work on the gun.
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Matchstickshooter;
One way to be sure your pellets are not extending into the front pellet when in the mag, is simply hold one in your left thumb and forefinger with skirt facing right and put the other in your right right thumb and fore finger with front facing left simulating their location in the mag. and look closely as you move them to flush, you should be able to slide the rear pellet off with no restriction or hangup.
Yep, simple but it will tell you if their is any entry into the forward pellet skirt when positioned in mag. This is what I do, some may consider this a waste of time , so be it.
Regards;
Garey
yep, know this and have done it. Thanks