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Airguns by Make and Model => Daisy Airguns => Topic started by: Methuselah on February 27, 2024, 12:21:46 PM
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I've always shot with 10 pumps...
Front sight needs paint, it used to have a scope but I knocked over the rifle and the rail broke.
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As you just demonstrated, the 880 doesn’t need 10 pumps at all distances.
I’m interested what you find at different distances and different numbers of pumps! Please share results if boredom keeps you experimenting.
Here’s the match for pumps and distance that I came to, assuming the target is paper or aluminum cans. (I add another pump for shooting steel cans because I want the pellet to hole it.)
At 17’, 2 pumps.
At 25’, 3 pumps.
At 33’, 4 pumps.
At 42’ 5 or 6 pumps.
At 50’, 6 or 7 pumps.
At 58’, 7 pumps.
At 66’, 8 pumps.
I have less experience at 58’ and 66’, so those numbers are just what I’ve been using and might be changed upward by one more pump.
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I was out plinking hanging cans with an old 760 and BBs this morning. I was shooting at 10 meters with 3 pumps and sending BBs through both sides of the cans.
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I was out plinking hanging cans with an old 760 and BBs this morning. I was shooting at 10 meters with 3 pumps and sending BBs through both sides of the cans.
Very cool!
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As you just demonstrated, the 880 doesn’t need 10 pumps at all distances.
I’m interested what you find at different distances and different numbers of pumps! Please share results if boredom keeps you experimenting.
Here’s the match for pumps and distance that I came to, assuming the target is paper or aluminum cans. (I add another pump for shooting steel cans because I want the pellet to hole it.)
At 17’, 2 pumps.
At 25’, 3 pumps.
At 33’, 4 pumps.
At 42’ 5 or 6 pumps.
At 50’, 6 or 7 pumps.
At 58’, 7 pumps.
At 66’, 8 pumps.
I have less experience at 58’ and 66’, so those numbers are just what I’ve been using and might be changed upward by one more pump.
At close range the drop (and wind) factor in less. I predominantly depend on the 880 to defend the bird feed from HOSP invasion forces...
At 25 yards and 4 pumps windage played in a bit but I Kentucky'd it, and drop was about 4". Doable with a scope, but the irons are too crude on an 880 to be useful for a small target past about 12 yards (estimation) at 4 pumps.
I'd have nightmares trying to figure things past that based on less pumping, at least with the stock irons.
That posted target, at least to me, is quite bad. Maybe minute of HOSP, maybe not. Since it's shooting so different I decided to try pointed hunters. After settling in over 3 rounds it was better. It didn't like those when I first bought it.
Anyway, not good enough. The one before it broke behind the bolt and someone gave me a "carcass" condition 800. It appears I'll be doing some Frankenstein surgery so I can go back to using a scope...
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How big is that target, 1.5”, 2”?
Yeah, open sights beyond that distance is tough to aim at tiny spots. I’m glad I got the scope, finally.
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How big is that target, 1.5”, 2”?
Yeah, open sights beyond that distance is tough to aim at tiny spots. I’m glad I got the scope, finally.
https://www.amazon.com/GearOZ-Shooting-3-Visibility-Fluorescent-Instantly/dp/B07L4CNCDV (https://www.amazon.com/GearOZ-Shooting-3-Visibility-Fluorescent-Instantly/dp/B07L4CNCDV)
It says 3", I'm thinking the group was at least 3/4", and I'd consider a half inch the worst case acceptable group for 10 rounds at that range, although I usually settle for 3 or 5 shot groups since I know I'll botch it going for 10.
I do OK with tiny aim spots if the sights are better, drilling out the ghost ring on the 1377 to 5/32 (and re-bluing), it will do better than that target I posted even though the trigger is stock, fairly heavy, and has a lot of creep.
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How big is that target, 1.5”, 2”?
Yeah, open sights beyond that distance is tough to aim at tiny spots. I’m glad I got the scope, finally.
https://www.amazon.com/GearOZ-Shooting-3-Visibility-Fluorescent-Instantly/dp/B07L4CNCDV (https://www.amazon.com/GearOZ-Shooting-3-Visibility-Fluorescent-Instantly/dp/B07L4CNCDV)
It says 3", I'm thinking the group was at least 3/4", and I'd consider a half inch the worst case acceptable group for 10 rounds at that range, although I usually settle for 3 or 5 shot groups since I know I'll botch it going for 10.
I do OK with tiny aim spots if the sights are better, drilling out the ghost ring on the 1377 to 5/32 (and re-bluing), it will do better than that target I posted even though the trigger is stock, fairly heavy, and has a lot of creep.
I dug through used targets from the last time I fired the 880 on a front rest while sitting on the ground, 10 shots per bull from 33’. Groups were about 7/8” spread, with the best one 1/2”. That was back in December, before I got the scope and probably before the air-retention decline started.
if I shoot it standing up offhand, I know it will be worse.
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If you haven't done the tape mod I'll just say it was a big improvement on my 1st 880.
Removing the flat spring will lighten the trigger but I've never bothered.
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steve let me know what receiver you need... plastic, metal, which variant. I got a ton of 880 parts laying about. I can send you what you need and you can re optic your gun.
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steve let me know what receiver you need... plastic, metal, which variant. I got a ton of 880 parts laying about. I can send you what you need and you can re optic your gun.
That's a very kind offer and I might just do that, but I should look and see if the "carcus" gun is compatible. I'm also stubborn and feel like I shouldn't give up on trying to make it better with the irons...
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Another couple evolutions into trying to get this rifle back to full duty ...
The white tape I was thinking of putting on the front sight post, along with a couple slivers on the back notch, they didn't pan out. They just didn't make sighting any easier and depending on lighting conditions and background, actually made it worse. Tape removed.
Next, scope added. Tasco 4X15, not adjusted, using the parts of the rail that weren't damaged by dropping the rifle. I just wanted some cross hairs.
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I don't know how to continue a post with pictures between text, so to continue...
When I'm evaluating, I shoot three, five, or ten round groups depending on how it does, and how I do. This was from a chair with wheels, rested on a porch rail, shooting downward. Not a particularly stable platform. First three, not great although the first round perhaps should have been a throw away. So five, looking pretty good but I choked. That's the flyer. Interesting read on that:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=92066.msg862664#msg862664
So amending, that #5 shot was a "called flyer".
Not that good but with better scope, better rest, even at extended range I'd expect a little bit better.
I'm thinking the rifle will shoot, maybe some factors are in play since it was never capable of one-holing. Could be the barrel needs some cleaning, could be the tape mod would do it some good, could be the pellets I (just) switched to only seemed to do better and it was random luck since I based the switch on very few groups (maybe only one).
It's information, conclusion is premature, (next) course of action TBD. There's enough good railing left to mount the old scope farther back and it needed to be moved back anyway.
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if you want to use the open sight, i generally dab the rear face of the front sight with white nail polish. then i use a v file and run it a couple of dozen times on the rear notch. that gives me a clear point of aim. Tape mod is generally very helpful, and also cleaning the rifling.
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I have used white out Correctional fluid on front sights.
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I use white or orange paint markers.
Neither Betty Lou nor I use fingernail polish. :o
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I use the pen for marking my queen bees, 😂. Color depends upon the year, since there is a five year rotation.
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Good shooting.
I can't remember the last time I've ran any of my pumpers on a full 8-10.
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I use white or orange paint markers.
Neither Betty Lou nor I use fingernail polish. :o
Funny that (not using fingernail polish), me too...
;)
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Good shooting.
I can't remember the last time I've ran any of my pumpers on a full 8-10.
Since it's also defending from crows, I figured I "owed it to them" to pump 10 times...
With 4 pumps it's about 2" low at 11 yards ish.
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On the orange or white paint, that's what I've done in the past, but I saw the electrical tape suggested and figured I'd try it. Next time will be paint (or white out, done that too)> Thanks :D
That said, not this time though. My retirement gift from work was a Caldwell Lead Sled, made the issue kinda obvious - scope parallax is my biggest culprit. When it was mounted farther up I had to work to get behind it, so managed to get in the same spot most of the time, now that it's back, there's more "wiggle room" and more error.
I thought it was previously tweaked for the 11 yards, but apparently my memory is faulty. Perhaps I will still fix the rail, or clean the barrel, but it does look more consistent --- I'll post a target from my phone.
Thanks all
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Measured 11 yards to the bird feeder, set up that range out back with the new rest and adjusted the scope parallax.
Gave the last two the bum's rush, so will have to set up again later, but without a rest, sitting, group is better than it was.
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... and it's back to eliminating pest with it's usual reliability
Diagnostics are no longer a priority
Yay!
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What pests are they?
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HOSP's mostly.
Long thread, I know.
How's yours shooting? Still good I hope.
The 880's have been the only reliable shooter I've owned since I started with the airguns in 2015, though lately I've bought others to see if I can add a second...
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I forgot to say this earlier: Congratulations on retiring! More time for shooting now. :D
The 880 is doing very well since I replaced its seals. I still need to check the scope’s zero at 33’, 50’, 66’. All I know at this point is that it holds air, shoots as before with the open sights (didn’t need to adjust them), and shoots smaller than 1/4” groups at the only distance I’ve been able to try, due to bad weather. That’s 17’ indoors.
The weather is supposed to be much better starting today. YAY!!!!!!
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Thanks Pat
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steve: what is the deal with your 34? that is one of the greatest air rifles ever made... reliable, accurate and extremely well built... (I got 3, well, 2 and a 36).
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steve: what is the deal with your 34? that is one of the greatest air rifles ever made... reliable, accurate and extremely well built... (I got 3, well, 2 and a 36).
I've been telling the story since 2015 - for some following along it would be torture to tell it again but I can tell (bore) you via. PM if you like...
This was yesterday
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As you just demonstrated, the 880 doesn’t need 10 pumps at all distances.
I’m interested what you find at different distances and different numbers of pumps! Please share results if boredom keeps you experimenting.
Here’s the match for pumps and distance that I came to, assuming the target is paper or aluminum cans. (I add another pump for shooting steel cans because I want the pellet to hole it.)
At 17’, 2 pumps.
At 25’, 3 pumps.
At 33’, 4 pumps.
At 42’ 5 or 6 pumps.
At 50’, 6 or 7 pumps.
At 58’, 7 pumps.
At 66’, 8 pumps.
I have less experience at 58’ and 66’, so those numbers are just what I’ve been using and might be changed upward by one more pump.
Indoors, 1 pump at 12' it was mostly trying to put all through the same ragged hole (at one pump waiting too long between shots lost some pressure and one went low)...
Translation, you made a good point
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All this 880 talk, I suppose I should fix this one. My father-in-law passed 15 years ago and it came to me because no one else wanted it.
It shoots but the plastic receiver is cracked. Can’t be real old as it’s all plastic. Not sure when they switched from metal.
I plan to fix it, shoot some and then give it to my grandson. He never got to meet his great grandfather, so I think this will be good. And it will be a surprise to my son who tuned his nose up at it years ago.
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All this 880 talk, I suppose I should fix this one. My father-in-law passed 15 years ago and it came to me because no one else wanted it.
It shoots but the plastic receiver is cracked. Can’t be real old as it’s all plastic. Not sure when they switched from metal.
I plan to fix it, shoot some and then give it to my grandson. He never got to meet his great grandfather, so I think this will be good. And it will be a surprise to my son who tuned his nose up at it years ago.
I took a look in my 880 parts pile, I do not have that exact style clam shell receiver, not sure if the ones with more screw attachments is a possible fit ???
Yours mine has more screws.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=213136.0;attach=470558;image)
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Thanks James, I looked around and see that it’s 2006 vintage. I will find one likely on the fleabay.
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As you just demonstrated, the 880 doesn’t need 10 pumps at all distances.
I’m interested what you find at different distances and different numbers of pumps! Please share results if boredom keeps you experimenting.
Here’s the match for pumps and distance that I came to, assuming the target is paper or aluminum cans. (I add another pump for shooting steel cans because I want the pellet to hole it.)
At 17’, 2 pumps.
At 25’, 3 pumps.
At 33’, 4 pumps.
At 42’ 5 or 6 pumps.
At 50’, 6 or 7 pumps.
At 58’, 7 pumps.
At 66’, 8 pumps.
I have less experience at 58’ and 66’, so those numbers are just what I’ve been using and might be changed upward by one more pump.
Indoors, 1 pump at 12' it was mostly trying to put all through the same ragged hole (at one pump waiting too long between shots lost some pressure and one went low)...
Translation, you made a good point
Since I posted that, I began using the same number of pumps for a given distance, whether aluminum or steel. What happens at 33' with 4 pumps is that holing the steel can is not as reliable as with an added pump. Sometimes it just dents the metal. Because steel cans tend to be closely ribbed, that might make the top of each rib more resistant to holing if hit there. Also, other manufacturing design variations seem to make the cans weaker in some spots. I guess I'd have to shoot a perfectly uniform thickness and flatness sheet of metal to better know.
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All this 880 talk, I suppose I should fix this one. My father-in-law passed 15 years ago and it came to me because no one else wanted it.
It shoots but the plastic receiver is cracked. Can’t be real old as it’s all plastic. Not sure when they switched from metal.
I plan to fix it, shoot some and then give it to my grandson. He never got to meet his great grandfather, so I think this will be good. And it will be a surprise to my son who tuned his nose up at it years ago.
Mostly often when I take notice of the 880's receiver breaking it's the bolt side. The model you have is prone to breaking there and I've seen people duct tape them and call it done. I suppose you might be able to swap both halves for the 3-screw they went to to address that, along with matching butstock?
Sometimes 880's go pretty cheap in yard sale situations ... too bad reasonable prices are gone now when you factor in shipping :-\
I hope you got her fixed, wish I could have helped but my two potential parts ones are (typical) right-side broken.
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Neither Betty Lou nor I use fingernail polish. :o
I beg to differ. ;)
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Well, I kept thinking (wishful) that it should do better and maybe it was me, or the pellets, or I needed that scope. Still, it's never been as good as my 1st 880.
So, looking at all the airguns I've acquired and realizing the 880's were always my go-to, I figured what I'm getting from this one just isn't good enough (!)
I broke it down to do the tape mod, and address how the "fork" holding the front site had loosened up. Also found a damaged crown ... here’s the post;
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=217262 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=217262)
I've not kept track of some of the latest groups, but it's doing much better. I'd say though I've not shot enough to prove it, it's now shooting more accurately at 10 to 15 yards with irons than it did when it had the scope on it.
Quieter too, Terry at Buck Rail sent me a replacement mount for the one I (carelessly) broke, free of charge, when I asked to purchase a replacement!
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Neither Betty Lou nor I use fingernail polish. :o
I beg to differ. ;)
LOL
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Neither Betty Lou nor I use fingernail polish. :o
I beg to differ. ;)
Oh Ok, I didn't know we were including on toes. :o