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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => German AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Crowman on February 01, 2024, 03:32:11 PM
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I was reading the post we all love German springers. I noticed under SpiralGrooves sub title Ruminating Perfectionist.
I choose not to buy a lathe but got Kirk to make muzzle ends for most of my break barrels ( Diana’s, FWB’s and Weihrauch’s).
I was concerned about uneven edges. I’ll take a chance. There was not 1 flaw in any of them. Every one went on perfectly, as he described. Night and day difference.
I live in Canada and shoot on my range a lot in winter. Huge problem is holding on barrel when loading. Temps. as low as 10 F. as long as there’s no wind.
Kirk’s muzzle end saved the day for that reason alone. Not to mention they look awesome. Another thing, that saves the marriage, is I usually shoot 4 different guns daily and I lean the rifles against the wall and trim by the door. I’ve chipped the paint in the corners over time, not good. The Delrin is a lot more forgiving. I’m soon repainting.
Silencers are illegal in Canada, but I love the looks, completes the gun.
Anyway I was lucky for once any picked the Perfectionist. Score. Crow
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I was reading the post we all love German springers. I noticed under SpiralGrooves sub title Ruminating Perfectionist.
I choose not to buy a lathe but got Kirk to make muzzle ends for most of my break barrels ( Diana’s, FWB’s and Weihrauch’s).
I was concerned about uneven edges. I’ll take a chance. There was not 1 flaw in any of them. Every one went on perfectly, as he described. Night and day difference.
I live in Canada and shoot on my range a lot in winter. Huge problem is holding on barrel when loading. Temps. as low as 10 F. as long as there’s no wind.
Kirk’s muzzle end saved the day for that reason alone. Not to mention they look awesome. Another thing, that saves the marriage, is I usually shoot 4 different guns daily and I lean the rifles against the wall and trim by the door. I’ve chipped the paint in the corners over time, not good. The Delrin is a lot more forgiving. I’m soon repainting.
Silencers are illegal in Canada, but I love the looks, completes the gun.
Anyway I was lucky for once any picked the Perfectionist. Score. Crow
Thanks Dave ;),
Sometimes the ruminating perfectionist syndrome has me going crazy with little scratches and dings.......
My Wife also doesn't understand my (German) genetics which causes these issues, but it just can't be helped.
Here is my latest creation - a Telecaster guitar kit I gave a Sienna Sunburst look to.
It's too bad that I don't know how to play ........ hopefully that will come :D.
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Kirk,
Is there any way to make you muzzle ends/cocking lever any heavier?
-Yogi
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Kirk,
Is there any way to make you muzzle ends/cocking lever any heavier?
-Yogi
Yes, I could add a bored out Steel round stock to them to give them a little more heft.
However, for me a heavier muzzle hasn't made much of a difference in my shooting (aka HW98), so I never made them that way.
Also, this would change POI of the gun, even though it's a minor thing.
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On one of my HW50's I have a screw on muzzle weight/break. It is one of my most accurate rifles. I attribute part of that to the weighted end.
Need to weight it to see how much it adds.
Unfortunately, I do not see them available anywhere now for my other HW 50's.
Thanks,
-Yogi
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I was reading the post we all love German springers. I noticed under SpiralGrooves sub title Ruminating Perfectionist.
I choose not to buy a lathe but got Kirk to make muzzle ends for most of my break barrels ( Diana’s, FWB’s and Weihrauch’s).
I was concerned about uneven edges. I’ll take a chance. There was not 1 flaw in any of them. Every one went on perfectly, as he described. Night and day difference.
I live in Canada and shoot on my range a lot in winter. Huge problem is holding on barrel when loading. Temps. as low as 10 F. as long as there’s no wind.
Kirk’s muzzle end saved the day for that reason alone. Not to mention they look awesome. Another thing, that saves the marriage, is I usually shoot 4 different guns daily and I lean the rifles against the wall and trim by the door. I’ve chipped the paint in the corners over time, not good. The Delrin is a lot more forgiving. I’m soon repainting.
Silencers are illegal in Canada, but I love the looks, completes the gun.
Anyway I was lucky for once any picked the Perfectionist. Score. Crow
Thanks Dave ;),
Sometimes the ruminating perfectionist syndrome has me going crazy with little scratches and dings.......
My Wife also doesn't understand my (German) genetics which causes these issues, but it just can't be helped.
Here is my latest creation - a Telecaster guitar kit I gave a Sienna Sunburst look to.
It's too bad that I don't know how to play ........ hopefully that will come :D.
Now if the “ruminating perfectionist” would just clean up the shop lol……..jk
I have seen one of your muzzle breaks in person and it was real nice. And that is coming from a picky (&#^((&^*. I would recommend Delrin over aluminum or steel any day in this application for many reasons.
Jason
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Yeah, I'm sure they are top notch! ;)
-Y
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I have always liked the look of simple muzzle brakes on air guns . They are easy to make out of Delrin. Apart from helping to control muzzle flip they also provide a good looking rust proof handle .. I have made many of them in various weights and sizes and will probably make more . I prefer friction fit ones that don't add much to the length of the barrel.
I have a W&S Tomohawk that sports a screw on steel muzzle break it adds about 45 mms to the lenght and weighs 60 grams. It is necessary for the fun because without the steadying weight the gun shoots like a garden hose. Accurate with it on at 17 ft/lbs
I have also made several or many airsteippers some work well but others not so well. For the ones that do work I can not tell if it is the air stripping or the muzzle weight of them that causes the difference
NB . I reckon this type of weight is superior by far than the wobbly thing that Gamo and others append to their muzzles. I cut that type off
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I wrote this before but it disappeared. Your guitar looks awesome, nice job. 40 yrs. ago I helped a buddy make one, I think Jr. Telecaster.
I’m curious if your able to make one for a D48 and also “drum roll” 2 x D460 underlevers. No sights needed on any.
Yogi it will be every thing you want and more. Crow
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I wrote this before but it disappeared. Your guitar looks awesome, nice job. 40 yrs. ago I helped a buddy make one, I think Jr. Telecaster.
I’m curious if your able to make one for a D48 and also “drum roll” 2 x D460 underlevers. No sights needed on any.
Yogi it will be every thing you want and more. Crow
Well, I can make one for the D48 .... just measure the barrel diameter and let me know.
The D460, being an under lever .... where the lever has to clip to a muzzle brake :o. I don't think I can do that :P
Kirk
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I have always liked the look of simple muzzle brakes on air guns . They are easy to make out of Delrin. Apart from helping to control muzzle flip they also provide a good looking rust proof handle .. I have made many of them in various weights and sizes and will probably make more . I prefer friction fit ones that don't add much to the length of the barrel.
I have a W&S Tomohawk that sports a screw on steel muzzle break it adds about 45 mms to the lenght and weighs 60 grams. It is necessary for the fun because without the steadying weight the gun shoots like a garden hose. Accurate with it on at 17 ft/lbs
I have also made several or many airsteippers some work well but others not so well. For the ones that do work I can not tell if it is the air stripping or the muzzle weight of them that causes the difference
NB . I reckon this type of weight is superior by far than the wobbly thing that Gamo and others append to their muzzles. I cut that type off
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HW95 moderator info.
Moderator weighs 4.32 oz, 122.6 g, 1892 gr. Barrel without moderator = 12.188”, (12-3/16”, 309.575 mm), from thread end to breech block end. Moderator is 6” long. Female threads start 2.1” in from beveled end of Moderator. Thread is 3/4" long & 1/2" diameter with 20 threads per inch. Barrel length = 15.75”, 400 mm, from end of moderator to breech block end. HW95 barrel is 16 mm diameter & rifle twist rate is 1:16. block end. HW95L total rifle length = 41.875”, 1063.625 mm, from end of moderator to butt center. Rifle is 29”, 736.6 mm, from end of moderator to end of compression tube.
(https://i.imgur.com/SQWX2rHl.jpg)
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HW95 moderator info.
Moderator weighs 4.32 oz, 122.6 g, 1892 gr. Barrel without moderator = 12.188”, (12-3/16”, 309.575 mm), from thread end to breech block end. Moderator is 6” long. Female threads start 2.1” in from beveled end of Moderator. Thread is 3/4" long & 1/2" diameter with 20 threads per inch. Barrel length = 15.75”, 400 mm, from end of moderator to breech block end. HW95 barrel is 16 mm diameter & rifle twist rate is 1:16. block end. HW95L total rifle length = 41.875”, 1063.625 mm, from end of moderator to butt center. Rifle is 29”, 736.6 mm, from end of moderator to end of compression tube.
(https://i.imgur.com/SQWX2rHl.jpg)
Is that a moderator or a muzzle break?
Whatever it is, where can I get one for a 15mm diameter barrel?
TIA,
-Yogi
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I have always liked the look of simple muzzle brakes on air guns . They are easy to make out of Delrin. Apart from helping to control muzzle flip they also provide a good looking rust proof handle .. I have made many of them in various weights and sizes and will probably make more . I prefer friction fit ones that don't add much to the length of the barrel.
I have a W&S Tomohawk that sports a screw on steel muzzle break it adds about 45 mms to the lenght and weighs 60 grams. It is necessary for the fun because without the steadying weight the gun shoots like a garden hose. Accurate with it on at 17 ft/lbs
I have also made several or many airsteippers some work well but others not so well. For the ones that do work I can not tell if it is the air stripping or the muzzle weight of them that causes the difference
NB . I reckon this type of weight is superior by far than the wobbly thing that Gamo and others append to their muzzles. I cut that type off
Delrin is also a nice material for “pickles”.
First time I saw the Brit yclept Matt Winser manufacture some I told myself I had to have them, so I did.
Took months for them to reach Asia, but it was not Matt himself who shipped them ;)
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I was reading the post we all love German springers. I noticed under SpiralGrooves sub title Ruminating Perfectionist.
I choose not to buy a lathe but got Kirk to make muzzle ends for most of my break barrels ( Diana’s, FWB’s and Weihrauch’s).
I was concerned about uneven edges. I’ll take a chance. There was not 1 flaw in any of them. Every one went on perfectly, as he described. Night and day difference.
I live in Canada and shoot on my range a lot in winter. Huge problem is holding on barrel when loading. Temps. as low as 10 F. as long as there’s no wind.
Kirk’s muzzle end saved the day for that reason alone. Not to mention they look awesome. Another thing, that saves the marriage, is I usually shoot 4 different guns daily and I lean the rifles against the wall and trim by the door. I’ve chipped the paint in the corners over time, not good. The Delrin is a lot more forgiving. I’m soon repainting.
Silencers are illegal in Canada, but I love the looks, completes the gun.
Anyway I was lucky for once any picked the Perfectionist. Score. Crow
Thanks Dave ;),
Sometimes the ruminating perfectionist syndrome has me going crazy with little scratches and dings.......
My Wife also doesn't understand my (German) genetics which causes these issues, but it just can't be helped.
Here is my latest creation - a Telecaster guitar kit I gave a Sienna Sunburst look to.
It's too bad that I don't know how to play ........ hopefully that will come :D.
Now if the “ruminating perfectionist” would just clean up the shop lol……..jk
I have seen one of your muzzle breaks in person and it was real nice. And that is coming from a picky (&#^((&^*. I would recommend Delrin over aluminum or steel any day in this application for many reasons.
Jason
Yeah Jason,
A recent photo of my work area wouldn't suggest any level of Perfection ???.
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"Is that a moderator or a muzzle break?
Whatever it is, where can I get one for a 15mm diameter barrel?
TIA,
-Yogi"
That is the moderator that came with my HW95L from AoA which was a 2018 year vintage rifle. The moderator is an excellent cocking aid/handle. I suggest that you call AoA and ask them about availability.
www.airgunsofarizona.com
Airguns of Arizona
1970 W Elliot Rd Ste 109, Gilbert, AZ 85233
(480) 461-1113
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"Is that a moderator or a muzzle break?
Whatever it is, where can I get one for a 15mm diameter barrel?
TIA,
-Yogi"
That is the moderator that came with my HW95L from AoA which was a 2018 year vintage rifle. The moderator is an excellent cocking aid/handle. I suggest that you call AoA and ask them about availability.
www.airgunsofarizona.com
Airguns of Arizona
1970 W Elliot Rd Ste 109, Gilbert, AZ 85233
(480) 461-1113
So it deadens the sound?
-Y
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You can get a 15mm Muzzle Break from Crosman - part# CD1K77NP-01-1. Last one I bought was $5.60 + shipping.
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You can get a 15mm Muzzle Break from Crosman - part# CD1K77NP-01-1. Last one I bought was $5.60 + shipping.
Is it screw on or clamp down with grub screws?
-Y
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It's just slip fit - but it fits tight. A little heat from a hair drier helps. Makes a good hand hold for cocking. It's just a little over 6 1/4 inches and fits within .186 inch of the barrel end so overall barrel length is about the same.
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"Is that a moderator or a muzzle break?
Whatever it is, where can I get one for a 15mm diameter barrel?
TIA,
-Yogi"
17 FPE HW95L .22 shot cycle from iPhone recording at about 5'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bywPFmB2_ZM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bywPFmB2_ZM)
That is the moderator that came with my HW95L from AoA which was a 2018 year vintage rifle. The moderator is an excellent cocking aid/handle. I suggest that you call AoA and ask them about availability.
www.airgunsofarizona.com
Airguns of Arizona
1970 W Elliot Rd Ste 109, Gilbert, AZ 85233
(480) 461-1113
So it deadens the sound?
-Y