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Airguns by Make and Model => Cometa Airguns => Topic started by: triggerfest on December 29, 2023, 07:19:08 PM
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I was recently eyeing some Cometa's and I just wondered why there is not more Cometa love ?
Yes, there is of course some trigger bla bla bla, but... it seems their cold hammer forged barrels are top notch. Also their wood stocks are looking gorgeous. And I understand they deliver on the claimed speed/power as well. Otherwise the Cometa's are looking solid and they still don't use a lot of synthetic parts.
So what is not to like ?
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Who said there was anything not to like? Until recently they’ve been hard to get in US. Just bought a Fenix 400 Compact for future SIL. Very impressed with it so far. Trigger on it is actually nice. Beautiful beech stock. Need more time to play with it and develop a full opinion. This is a .22 and it’s making 19 FPE with FTT so the power is excellent.
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I am suitably impressed with my Fenix 400 Premier/Star.
Beautiful craftsmanship and excellent shooter
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Hi Rudy.
I don't know anything about Cometa rifles.
I went to Mundilar's web site to look at the Cometa rifles.
The Fusion Galaxy caught my eye as did the Galaxy 400.
All of Comet's rifles are real nice.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Thanks all, yes, the Fenix 400 USC caught my eye.
(https://www.cometaairgun.com/images_web/carabina-fenix-400-USC-768.jpg)
Seems like a very nice compact shooter in .22 cal.
Best wishes too Tom (and all) !
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I agree that they are nice looking rifles and they are available here. I have read on this forum that they have small springs that are prone to breaking. Toxylon put the cap on it for me. At least I think it was him . Reported as being jumpy rifles. That turned me away from them.
One day maybe maybe not.
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They are selling gasrams as well ;)
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Not sure that gas ram cometas have reach nz yet. That would be a game changer for me. Here we go again Do I need another airgun?
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Not sure that gas ram cometas have reach nz yet. That would be a game changer for me. Here we go again Do I need another airgun?
N + 1
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N+1=? Never was very good at maths and outcomes.
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The quantity of airguns you need is... N + 1
Where N is the number of airguns you currently own.....
Happy New Year !
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I too have wanted to know more but I will proably never be able to get along with a plastic trigger. Also what I have seen for prices doesn't scream value to me.
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Cometa 400's are very good springers - they are miles better than some popular Spanish spring guns. The best trigger in the price bracket, accurate barrels, handy dimensions, high power, simple and solid construction etc. FWIW, there's a Cometa springer boon right now happening in the UK, so not exactly no love for'em.
But there is NO airgun around that didn't have a "what were they thinking??" type of weakness or three, no matter the price point or country of origin.
With the Cometa 400, there's the super-small-diameter, overstressed mainspring that usually lasts only a short while, and often gives erratic output pretty quickly into ownership. Even British shooters with 12 fpe versions have this issue.
Cometa 400's also have heavy, loose fitting steel tophats that really amplify the harshness of the shot cycle. But it's not harsher than on any Gamo, Norica etc. off the shelf.
My own Cometa 400 .22 cal today has the best shot cycle of any of my gun, past or present: a soft "thud" and nothing more, but at 12 fpe, against the 18 fpe it shot with the factory internals.
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Now Cometa is available in USA again.
keystoneairguns.com
regards
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Cometa 400's are very good springers - they are miles better than some popular Spanish spring guns. The best trigger in the price bracket, accurate barrels, handy dimensions, high power, simple and solid construction etc. FWIW, there's a Cometa springer boon right now happening in the UK, so not exactly no love for'em.
But there is NO airgun around that didn't have a "what were they thinking??" type of weakness or three, no matter the price point or country of origin.
With the Cometa 400, there's the super-small-diameter, overstressed mainspring that usually lasts only a short while, and often gives erratic output pretty quickly into ownership. Even British shooters with 12 fpe versions have this issue.
Cometa 400's also have heavy, loose fitting steel tophats that really amplify the harshness of the shot cycle. But it's not harsher than on any Gamo, Norica etc. off the shelf.
My own Cometa 400 .22 cal today has the best shot cycle of any of my gun, past or present: a soft "thud" and nothing more, but at 12 fpe, against the 18 fpe it shot with the factory internals.
Now you've convinced me ;D I need to start owning a Cometa 400 LOL ;)
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The reason was availability in the US. I bought Cometa Fusion 400 about 10 years ago from a guy that turned out a bit shady. Took weeks to get him to ship it. Great looking gun and dime size groups at 25-30 yards. I haven't shot mine in a while because I pulled the scope. I have to many airguns and not enough decent scopes.
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Cometa 400's are very good springers - they are miles better than some popular Spanish spring guns. The best trigger in the price bracket, accurate barrels, handy dimensions, high power, simple and solid construction etc. FWIW, there's a Cometa springer boon right now happening in the UK, so not exactly no love for'em.
But there is NO airgun around that didn't have a "what were they thinking??" type of weakness or three, no matter the price point or country of origin.
With the Cometa 400, there's the super-small-diameter, overstressed mainspring that usually lasts only a short while, and often gives erratic output pretty quickly into ownership. Even British shooters with 12 fpe versions have this issue.
Cometa 400's also have heavy, loose fitting steel tophats that really amplify the harshness of the shot cycle. But it's not harsher than on any Gamo, Norica etc. off the shelf.
My own Cometa 400 .22 cal today has the best shot cycle of any of my gun, past or present: a soft "thud" and nothing more, but at 12 fpe, against the 18 fpe it shot with the factory internals.
Does the barrel block locate in the forks more like a Diana or more like a Gamo/B19?
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I have it on pretty good authority that replacement metal triggers will be available for the 400 series soon as well :)
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Cometa 400's are very good springers - they are miles better than some popular Spanish spring guns. The best trigger in the price bracket, accurate barrels, handy dimensions, high power, simple and solid construction etc. FWIW, there's a Cometa springer boon right now happening in the UK, so not exactly no love for'em.
But there is NO airgun around that didn't have a "what were they thinking??" type of weakness or three, no matter the price point or country of origin.
With the Cometa 400, there's the super-small-diameter, overstressed mainspring that usually lasts only a short while, and often gives erratic output pretty quickly into ownership. Even British shooters with 12 fpe versions have this issue.
Cometa 400's also have heavy, loose fitting steel tophats that really amplify the harshness of the shot cycle. But it's not harsher than on any Gamo, Norica etc. off the shelf.
My own Cometa 400 .22 cal today has the best shot cycle of any of my gun, past or present: a soft "thud" and nothing more, but at 12 fpe, against the 18 fpe it shot with the factory internals.
Does the barrel block locate in the forks more like a Diana or more like a Gamo/B19?
Sorry, I don't understand the question.
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Cometa 400's are very good springers - they are miles better than some popular Spanish spring guns. The best trigger in the price bracket, accurate barrels, handy dimensions, high power, simple and solid construction etc. FWIW, there's a Cometa springer boon right now happening in the UK, so not exactly no love for'em.
But there is NO airgun around that didn't have a "what were they thinking??" type of weakness or three, no matter the price point or country of origin.
With the Cometa 400, there's the super-small-diameter, overstressed mainspring that usually lasts only a short while, and often gives erratic output pretty quickly into ownership. Even British shooters with 12 fpe versions have this issue.
Cometa 400's also have heavy, loose fitting steel tophats that really amplify the harshness of the shot cycle. But it's not harsher than on any Gamo, Norica etc. off the shelf.
My own Cometa 400 .22 cal today has the best shot cycle of any of my gun, past or present: a soft "thud" and nothing more, but at 12 fpe, against the 18 fpe it shot with the factory internals.
Derlin top hat with a steel or brass insert to get it somewhere between 27-30g for a full power 400. I dont remember the exact base dimension but I want to say just under .750" there. I've gone as low as 6g with just a solid derlin top hat but I began to notice some bounce and groups opened up.
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Not sure Jon what exactly you are replying to, but it's on me.
My Cometa 400 .22 cal has a custom solid steel tophat weighing 30g, replacing the super-long (and loose) OEM solid steel tophat that weighed 59g. To make the Titan #13 replacement mainspring fit in the really small-ID Cometa piston, I had to scrap the OEM piston sleeve, which in itself weighed 39g.
So, my Cometa piston's "live weight" is a whopping 68g under what the OEM setup was, and there's no space / way to put that much mass anywhere in there. The result is an extremely smooth, totally transformed shot cycle but with a severe drop in MV and ME.
In theory, a springer design where the piston is almost just a lightweight shell to be weighed with sundry tophats / sleeves / piston weights is good for tuning, but I have learned it really isn't, not when working outside the 12fpe boundary, or with guns with little room inside.
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Not sure Jon what exactly you are replying to, but it's on me.
My Cometa 400 .22 cal has a custom solid steel tophat weighing 30g, replacing the super-long (and loose) OEM solid steel tophat that weighed 59g. To make the Titan #13 replacement mainspring fit in the really small-ID Cometa piston, I had to scrap the OEM piston sleeve, which in itself weighed 39g.
So, my Cometa piston's "live weight" is a whopping 68g under what the OEM setup was, and there's no space / way to put that much mass anywhere in there. The result is an extremely smooth, totally transformed shot cycle but with a severe drop in MV and ME.
In theory, a springer design where the piston is almost just a lightweight shell to be weighed with sundry tophats / sleeves / piston weights is good for tuning, but I have learned it really isn't, not when working outside the 12fpe boundary, or with guns with little room inside.
I'm sorry. I misunderstood your dilemma there. I thought you were working with factory internals.
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No problem!
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I have it on pretty good authority that replacement metal triggers will be available for the 400 series soon as well :)
You can sign me up for one of those right now Jon!
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I have it on pretty good authority that replacement metal triggers will be available for the 400 series soon as well :)
You can sign me up for one of those right now Jon!
I think this one has your name on it
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They look great installed too!
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Oooooooo......! Nice!
BTW, can you get replacement trigger assemblies from Cometa?
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Oooooooo......! Nice!
BTW, can you get replacement trigger assemblies from Cometa?
Absolutely. Cometa will send me any and all replacement parts as I need them. I keep some of the more common stuff in stock (springs, seals, sights) but I will be upping my spare parts inventory with the next order
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I have it on pretty good authority that replacement metal triggers will be available for the 400 series soon as well :)
You can sign me up for one of those right now Jon!
I think this one has your name on it
Jon, can you also install this trigger along with your $60 tune (for more money of course)?
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I have it on pretty good authority that replacement metal triggers will be available for the 400 series soon as well :)
You can sign me up for one of those right now Jon!
I think this one has your name on it
Jon, can you also install this trigger along with your $60 tune (for more money of course)?
Absolutely! It would just be the additional cost of the part which is pretty cheap but I haven't been given any exact costs yet from Cometa
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I have it on pretty good authority that replacement metal triggers will be available for the 400 series soon as well :)
You can sign me up for one of those right now Jon!
I think this one has your name on it
Jon, can you also install this trigger along with your $60 tune (for more money of course)?
Absolutely! It would just be the additional cost of the part which is pretty cheap but I haven't been given any exact costs yet from Cometa
Let us know. I'd probably order one of the 400's w/ a tune and gold trigger. I have 7 or 8 guns with GRT triggers and besides being great triggers they look good.
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Oooooooo......! Nice!
BTW, can you get replacement trigger assemblies from Cometa?
Absolutely. Cometa will send me any and all replacement parts as I need them. I keep some of the more common stuff in stock (springs, seals, sights) but I will be upping my spare parts inventory with the next order
Jon, did you ever get a price on the gold trigger.
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Oooooooo......! Nice!
BTW, can you get replacement trigger assemblies from Cometa?
Absolutely. Cometa will send me any and all replacement parts as I need them. I keep some of the more common stuff in stock (springs, seals, sights) but I will be upping my spare parts inventory with the next order
Jon, did you ever get a price on the gold trigger.
I'm actually in the process of doing inventory and placing the next order now and tomorrow. I will have an answer for you by the weekend
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I planed to buy a Cometa air rifle but health issues have stoped all new future purchases. I've watched seversl reviews of Cometa springers by Big Dan Airguns from the UK. He sold me on the brand.
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They look great installed too!
Is the silencer metal and how's the bluing?
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They look great installed too!
Is the silencer metal and how's the bluing?
Silencer is metal and the bluing is fine for the price point of the guns
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They look great installed too!
Is the silencer metal and how's the bluing?
Silencer is metal and the bluing is fine for the price point of the guns
I see an aftermarket gold trigger but would like to know please if the OEM one on the Fenix Premier Star, the most expensive model, is metal as well.
Thanks.
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They look great installed too!
Is the silencer metal and how's the bluing?
Silencer is metal and the bluing is fine for the price point of the guns
I see an aftermarket gold trigger but would like to know please if the OEM one on the Fenix Premier Star, the most expensive model, is metal as well.
Thanks.
The factory trigger on all the 400s minus a select few new models are the plastic trigger. There are some new ones coming with the metal trigger pre-installed though and they are a variant of the Premier Star
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Hm, $350 + $60 tune-up ‘cuz I like low power + price of gold trigger = $450 more or less..
I don’t have a springer nor am I springing for one, but it’s affordable, so….
It should look nice with the Leupold 3-9x33 EFR AO.
I’ll think about it.
Thanks.
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Hey guys, hate to ask an ignorant question, but, learning here. What is this top hat thing I hear spoke.of?
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Hey guys, hate to ask an ignorant question, but, learning here. What is this top hat thing I hear spoke.of?
A top hat is a small guide (that looks like a top hat) that sits on the piston side of a coiled spring. Its main purposes are to perfectly center the spring inside the piston as well as give a bearing surface so the spring can twist freely when compressed and decompressed
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Thank you Jon. Way above my knowledge level yet.
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Finally had a little free time, pulled out my RWS 94 (Cometa 400) and gave it a quick chrony check.
750, 749, 751, then back to 750 (RWS 14.5 Superdome). No need to shoot any more pellets, it's doing just fine.
It's always been very accurate, but I've only had it on paper out to 25 yards. Looking forward to getting some time in at 100.
Could be as soon as next Saturday, depending on how things go.
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More COMETA LOVE! out of the 4 Cometa rifles I have, which are all good once you get them tuned up the way you like them, I'll have to say my 220 compacts are starting to be my favorite little guns, for the Cometa's, for short range shooting, I have not tried to shoot them much past 25yds, yet! Their accurate enough to shoot the little white heads off the stems of a dandelion @ 15 to 20yds, with either my .22cal or my .177cal rifles I have! as far as the Plastic trigger in the 400 series rifles, not a thing to worry about! IMO their a more solid trigger blade than the old Diana T05 triggers! and a lot more adjustable with a 1st and 2nd stage adjustment and with further modifications even better! but I will say I'm going to purchase a new 400 USC at some point and let Jon tune it and add the metal trigger blade just to see what he does! I don't need him to do that, but I want to see what I get from him? all in all these rifles are not Dianas they're not HW's but they are solid guns, I would rate these at Diana quality or just a tic under, not even close to HW, but their still nice rifles for the money! especially the 400 series! parts are available for them so you can tune them yourself if you want? 220's and 400's all take the same piston seal, the springs in the 220's are shorter than the 400's but they're basically the same spring! you can cut a 400 spring to length to work in your 220 gun! my 2ct ;)
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Nice write up Mark and do you favor the 220 more in .177 or .22 ?
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My 220C in .22cal really likes the Crosman Pointed hunting pellets, 14.3gn, it is very accurate with these pellets, I need to run them across the CHRONY and see how fast their shooting, I have tried the 14.66gn HAMMERS pellets and the H&N 14.66gn 5.53mm, I did run these across the CHRONY awhile back, and they shot just under 500fps, I have also tried RWS SD and a few others, I have shot a few starlings with the .22cal and it drops them like lightning! @20yds and the pellets pass right thur them! I like the .177cals as well but they do not kill like a .22cal pellet from these rifles, I use my air guns for pest elimination for the most part, so the .22cal will always get the vote over a .177cal gun, especially with a lower power gun like this, not saying the .177cals don't work I have taken some birds with these, but like I said the .22cal is my choice! I'm waiting on a LEEPERS off set mount to show up today, I have a new LEEPERS Bug Buster 3x12x32SF scope to mount on the .22cal gun, I have had some issues with the .22cal gun holding a scope mount in place, their no stop pin hole in the receiver of the COMETA rifles, if this problem continues? after the new mount, I'm going to set everything up and mark the tube and drill my own stop pin hole in the tube! and fix this once and for all! and Thanks Rudy for the kind words! just trying to give you guy's my experience with these guns, 8)
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My 220C in .22cal really likes the Crosman Pointed hunting pellets, 14.3gn, it is very accurate with these pellets, I need to run them across the CHRONY and see how fast their shooting, I have tried the 14.66gn HAMMERS pellets and the H&N 14.66gn 5.53mm, I did run these across the CHRONY awhile back, and they shot just under 500fps, I have also tried RWS SD and a few others, I have shot a few starlings with the .22cal and it drops them like lightning! @20yds and the pellets pass right thur them! I like the .177cals as well but they do not kill like a .22cal pellet from these rifles, I use my air guns for pest elimination for the most part, so the .22cal will always get the vote over a .177cal gun, especially with a lower power gun like this, not saying the .177cals don't work I have taken some birds with these, but like I said the .22cal is my choice! I'm waiting on a LEEPERS off set mount to show up today, I have a new LEEPERS Bug Buster 3x12x32SF scope to mount on the .22cal gun, I have had some issues with the .22cal gun holding a scope mount in place, their no stop pin hole in the receiver of the COMETA rifles, if this problem continues? after the new mount, I'm going to set everything up and mark the tube and drill my own stop pin hole in the tube! and fix this once and for all! and Thanks Rudy for the kind words! just trying to give you guy's my experience with these guns, 8)
I have been using UTG one piece mounts on all of my Cometas without a stop pin installed and have not had any scope creep. I tighten the base rings in an inside out pattern over several passes. I think UTG recommends 20inlbs but I definitely go a bit tighter than that. Hope it helps!
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I agree. 100% my new mount showed up since my last post, and it has not moved in any way! I got the rifle re zeroed in about 10 shots mostly windage, all of my other rifles have the LEEPERS mounts and have had no issues! so theirs my extra 2ct in this post! Jon, I cannot wait to buy a rifle from you! 8)
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Hey guys, hate to ask an ignorant question, but, learning here. What is this top hat thing I hear spoke.of?
see image below...
471 = piston seal
477 = piston
504 = "tophat"
534 = steel coil spring
489 = steel washer
490 = polymer washer
498 = spring guide
While a tophat can keep a spring centered inside the piston, the piston ID on my rifles does that job quite well without a tophat. The tophat can be a bearing surface for the coil spring to freely rotate on. Again, the piston on my rifles can do that job very well without a tophat.
For MOST of the air rifles I work on the tophat can have 3 functions which are usually more significant towards improving performance.
1) The tophat "shoulder" adds pre-load to the spring and will increase muzzle energy (up to a point).
2) A steel tophat can add significant MASS to the moving piston-spring system. Theoretically this can improve performance towards heavier pellets, but this depends on several other rifle attributes.
3) A SNUG FITTING tophat (and spring guide) will help reduce spring vibrations that tend to travel back & forth along the spring during a shot event. Those longitudinal traveling waves back & forth along the length of the spring (like a slinky) are typically referred to as "spring twang".
Hope that helps :-)
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More info, guys, if you're interested in these guns? like all air guns they need to be tuned, and sometimes it takes some break in time of a few hundred pellets after a tune before they start to shoot, I've had HW guns do the same as far as accuracy, keep in mind I tune my own rifles, that said I use ARH/JM's parts when available, he has no springs for sale at this point, for any of the COMETA guns, but he does have piston seals, now I'm going to say I have been shooting my 220 compacts for a minute, I tuned them with the factory springs because their still new as far as usage, even tho I have had them for over a year or longer, I have not had the time to shoot them a lot, I have a newer 220c .177cal I purchased about 3yrs ago and a .22cal I purchased about a year and a half ago, neither of these gun has 300 pellets thur them, as they break in with new seals and my tuning on them and trigger mods, these rifles are turning in to tac drivers! as accurate as my much more expensive air guns, quite impressed! spent the day today shooting these newer rifles happy happy! I also ordered some TITAN XS springs for them going to retune them with better springs, Cheers 8)
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I really like the Cometa line of air rifles and have 5 here and a new 400 Star coming this week. A lot of shooting fun for the little spent! Charles
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I have a usc premier walnut in .22 coming
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Not sure that gas ram cometas have reach nz yet. That would be a game changer for me. Here we go again Do I need another airgun?
Yes