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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: ER00z on November 09, 2023, 11:42:02 PM
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Looking for any suggestions on bb gun oil that doesn't thicken up badly when the temps drop. I did find a source of 10wt Non Detergent air tool oil that should work, but I am curious if anyone has something they've used that works well and is not terribly expensive. That or if I should run BB shooters on the dryer side until temps raise.
Background as to why I'm asking... Short version: Finding when temps drop, 30wt oil thickens enough that it lingers within internals much longer than when it's hot. When excess oil finds it's way into the barrel while you're shooting BB's, accuracy deteriorates and takes much longer to clear, requiring many more barrel swabs in comparison to a hot summers day.
...Long winded story time version:
Normally I run just plain old 30wt ND oil in pumpers, co2 and spring type bb guns. I made some time to do some bb accuracy testing at 10m with a pumper. Shot an ok group of 10 @ 4 pumps and then got to thinking I hadn't oiled this in who knows how long. Grabbed my oil dispenser (dollar store picnic mustard container) and gave the pump head one drop, or glob as the oil was slightly thicker in the cool temps. Shot the next set of 10 @ 5 pumps, which happened to shoot far better than expected, except for the last shot which was a wild flier. Next set was @ 6 pumps and no real accuracy was had, group seemed to split in two areas with wild fliers... What I hadn't mentioned was the bb reservoir had mixed BB's within. At this point I figured if 5 pumps gave very good accuracy with mixed bb's, sorting them out would give fantastic accuracy. Back to 5 pumps with just zinc bb's ended with a peppered target, same with the next set using just the copper plated. Got to thinking of what changed, and remembered needing to swab out barrels after oiling when shooting bb's. Swabbed the barrel and accuracy returned for a few shots but quickly fell off. Spent the remainder of my time just shooting, swabbing and trying to empty the reservoir of mixed bb's, a seemingly endless endeavor. I figure a thinner oil should clear faster and lessen the process. I honestly didn't flood the pump head, but there was enough excess oil to cause issues with this gun and presumably with all bb shooters in colder temps.
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You could try cleaning out the old oil and replacing it with pure silicone lube of your chosen weight.
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I ran across a qt bottle of ND 10 wt oil in the shop, had the same thought would be good winter oil for when temps get to below freezing. I do also use a 10 wt silicone in some of my peppier pumpers, so I guess I'm there already.
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Zack, 10wt ND oil should be good, I used that for quite a few years now. Never use silicone oil on metal-to-metal application, this will cause galling. Dry powdered lubes also help a lot, like graphite, molybdenum or tungsten. I use both powdered tungsten and 10 wt oil for ''winterizing'' my pumpers and life is good! The only real issue I had was that the piston rubber cup got so hard at very cold temps it actually started to not seal well (-15°F and down). HTH.
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The Daisy 880 manual specifies ND oil in 10, 20, or 30 weight.
I’ve been using the 10 wt all year. One quart of the stuff was priced the same as the tiny bottle of Crosman Pellgun lube, both sold at Walmart.
An eyedropper makes it easy to apply a drop at a time.
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Thanks to all for the replies.
I'll see if I can swing by one of the local shops and get some of that 10wt ND oil. Could order it if not locally available.
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Looking for any suggestions on bb gun oil that doesn't thicken up badly when the temps drop. I did find a source of 10wt Non Detergent air tool oil that should work, but I am curious if anyone has something they've used that works well and is not terribly expensive. That or if I should run BB shooters on the dryer side until temps raise.
Background as to why I'm asking... Short version: Finding when temps drop, 30wt oil thickens enough that it lingers within internals much longer than when it's hot. When excess oil finds it's way into the barrel while you're shooting BB's, accuracy deteriorates and takes much longer to clear, requiring many more barrel swabs in comparison to a hot summers day.
...Long winded story time version:
Normally I run just plain old 30wt ND oil in pumpers, co2 and spring type bb guns. I made some time to do some bb accuracy testing at 10m with a pumper. Shot an ok group of 10 @ 4 pumps and then got to thinking I hadn't oiled this in who knows how long. Grabbed my oil dispenser (dollar store picnic mustard container) and gave the pump head one drop, or glob as the oil was slightly thicker in the cool temps. Shot the next set of 10 @ 5 pumps, which happened to shoot far better than expected, except for the last shot which was a wild flier. Next set was @ 6 pumps and no real accuracy was had, group seemed to split in two areas with wild fliers... What I hadn't mentioned was the bb reservoir had mixed BB's within. At this point I figured if 5 pumps gave very good accuracy with mixed bb's, sorting them out would give fantastic accuracy. Back to 5 pumps with just zinc bb's ended with a peppered target, same with the next set using just the copper plated. Got to thinking of what changed, and remembered needing to swab out barrels after oiling when shooting bb's. Swabbed the barrel and accuracy returned for a few shots but quickly fell off. Spent the remainder of my time just shooting, swabbing and trying to empty the reservoir of mixed bb's, a seemingly endless endeavor. I figure a thinner oil should clear faster and lessen the process. I honestly didn't flood the pump head, but there was enough excess oil to cause issues with this gun and presumably with all bb shooters in colder temps.
On my pampers I use lithium grease. Works very well. Found this out on the big bore pumpers I have (.357/9mm). Oil dissipates over time. I lube the piston and cartridge valve in assembly, no issues. For the steel pivots and links, I use Mobile 1.
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Thanks to all for the replies.
I'll see if I can swing by one of the local shops and get some of that 10wt ND oil. Could order it if not locally available.
I bought it at O’Reilly’s or possibly Walmart. They are right next to each other in my area and I looked in both stores but am pretty sure it was OhOhOh, O’Reilly’s (that ditty is about to become a detested earworm now, I suspect).
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Looking for any suggestions on bb gun oil that doesn't thicken up badly when the temps drop. I did find a source of 10wt Non Detergent air tool oil that should work, but I am curious if anyone has something they've used that works well and is not terribly expensive. That or if I should run BB shooters on the dryer side until temps raise.
Background as to why I'm asking... Short version: Finding when temps drop, 30wt oil thickens enough that it lingers within internals much longer than when it's hot. When excess oil finds it's way into the barrel while you're shooting BB's, accuracy deteriorates and takes much longer to clear, requiring many more barrel swabs in comparison to a hot summers day.
...Long winded story time version:
Normally I run just plain old 30wt ND oil in pumpers, co2 and spring type bb guns. I made some time to do some bb accuracy testing at 10m with a pumper. Shot an ok group of 10 @ 4 pumps and then got to thinking I hadn't oiled this in who knows how long. Grabbed my oil dispenser (dollar store picnic mustard container) and gave the pump head one drop, or glob as the oil was slightly thicker in the cool temps. Shot the next set of 10 @ 5 pumps, which happened to shoot far better than expected, except for the last shot which was a wild flier. Next set was @ 6 pumps and no real accuracy was had, group seemed to split in two areas with wild fliers... What I hadn't mentioned was the bb reservoir had mixed BB's within. At this point I figured if 5 pumps gave very good accuracy with mixed bb's, sorting them out would give fantastic accuracy. Back to 5 pumps with just zinc bb's ended with a peppered target, same with the next set using just the copper plated. Got to thinking of what changed, and remembered needing to swab out barrels after oiling when shooting bb's. Swabbed the barrel and accuracy returned for a few shots but quickly fell off. Spent the remainder of my time just shooting, swabbing and trying to empty the reservoir of mixed bb's, a seemingly endless endeavor. I figure a thinner oil should clear faster and lessen the process. I honestly didn't flood the pump head, but there was enough excess oil to cause issues with this gun and presumably with all bb shooters in colder temps.
On my pampers I use lithium grease. Works very well. Found this out on the big bore pumpers I have (.357/9mm). Oil dissipates over time. I lube the piston and cartridge valve in assembly, no issues. For the steel pivots and links, I use Mobile 1.
Thanks for the suggestion, hadn't thought to try lithium grease.
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Thanks to all for the replies.
I'll see if I can swing by one of the local shops and get some of that 10wt ND oil. Could order it if not locally available.
I bought it at O’Reilly’s or possibly Walmart. They are right next to each other in my area and I looked in both stores but am pretty sure it was OhOhOh, O’Reilly’s (that ditty is about to become a detested earworm now, I suspect).
Honestly there's no O'Reilly's within 60 miles or better from me. Actually don't recall one even in my state, but am familiar with the jingle. That's now looping in my head. Over and over... And over. Thank you for that. Kidding, thanks for the suggestion.
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M1 5w30
M1 0w20
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I use my homemade sauce the year round but down here we get all excited when it gets down to 23 for a few hours like it did last week.
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Just curious, why put it on the pump head? It goes on the felt washer where a very thin coat, hopefully, gets maintained.
I've not had any issues with 30 weight, at least down to the low 30's in my 880. It gets 4 or 5 drops in the felt once or twice a year.