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Airguns by Make and Model => Artemis/SPA Airguns => Topic started by: SilentMatt on August 30, 2023, 02:57:05 PM
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It's been a few years since I've been active in the airgun community, but got the bug to get something with a little more power than the old PP700. I wasn't going to shell out the money for another Impact so decided on the M60. After a month or so wait, it finally came!
First impressions:
Good build quality and finish, but man it's heavy! Eleven pounds with scope and bipod. The aluminum bottle and thick barrel are the main causes of that. It came with a "new and improved" moderator, which turned out to be the exact same segmented chamber moderator that I got from Mrodair years ago for my PP700. It actually does a decent job quieting it down though. It included one 20 round mag, spare o-rings, gauge wrench, pellets, and a fill adapter.
It was shooting the included 15.9gr pellets at around 995 fps with the reg at 150 bar. I was happily surprised with that, due to it having a very small plenum and four port valve. After some trouble due to poor directions and a brain fart, I dialed it down to 110-115 bar and had it shooting at around 900 fps.
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Always clean your barrel before shooting a new gun!
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Accuracy was tested at thirty yards with the supplied SPA 15.9gr pellets and 15.89gr JSB's. Here's a seven shot group with the SPA pellets:
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And a six shot group with JSB's:
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For some very odd reason, SPA decided not to put a fill port on the bottle adapter and instead made it so you need to remove the bottle and screw in an adapter... I might have to machine a new adapter with a fill port, removing the bottle is slightly annoying.
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I had something binding up in the cocking linkage towards the end of the stroke, but just turned out that the screw holding the probe to the linkage was loose. Overall, I'm pretty happy with the gun and hope to stretch the range out a bit here soon. Not sure if I want to keep it a pellet shooter or stumble down the slug rabbit trail again...
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Very cool. Eleven pounds is no joke, that is a beefy gun. The PP700 is a wonderful unit but I suspect this new one will put a smile on your face !
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Wow if my .177 comes in at 11lbs. Is there the ability to swap on a 300cc CF bottle. If not mine will be looking for a new owner lol!!
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Thanks for sharing your first thoughts! I did get a bunch of 360cc and 420cc carbon bottles that can be installed in place of the aluminum bottle. The gun itself is between 7 and 8 lbs. I think around 7.5 if I remember right, which is heavier than I thought, but with the carbon bottle on it will shave 3/4lb off that weight.
Regards ,
Wes
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As is I bet it makes for a nice bench rest shooter.
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Congratulations! Well built SPA! Definitely likes the JSB's, enjoy shooting it!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3E5Pr_QH8Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3E5Pr_QH8Q)
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Nice review Terry. I noticed I was losing a lot of elevation on my scope turret, so I machined up a 30 moa rail for it. I really like how SPA used dowel pins for the pic rail, always wondered why my Impact didnt have any.
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WesBob remind me why my .177 is coming the slow boat cause Ive forgot lol.
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If that had a tube with normal fill probe instead of a bottle, I'd be all over that. I just do not like bottle-guns for carrying.
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If that had a tube with normal fill probe instead of a bottle, I'd be all over that. I just do not like bottle-guns for carrying.
In the beginning you could order the tube version I 🤔
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Great review!
Yes sorry my shipment of rifles has been so delayed. For some reason the Air shipping company backed out of shipping to Canada after we'd had everything booked, and it was already a month late getting shipped. I am not sure why, perhaps because of all the new gun laws they've been bringing in they didn't want to risk them getting stuck in customs or something. Anyway our only option after that was to rebook by ship, but Snowpeak had to reapply for a license to ship the rifles by sea instead of by air. China is very restrictive on even transporting guns, even airguns so it took another month to get the new license. So now we are here in September and the guns are finally at port and are supposed to depart on the 8th. So sorry for how it has gone.
The good news I just heard today is the new valves they made for these m60 bottle guns has the fill nipple on it. Still waiting for confirmation that these new rifles have that on them. Either way I'll be ordering a bunch for spare bottles, but hopefully these guns will have the fill attachment.
Thanks
Wes
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If that had a tube with normal fill probe instead of a bottle, I'd be all over that. I just do not like bottle-guns for carrying.
In the beginning you could order the tube version I 🤔
LOL exactly that !
There is a Snowpeak/SPA M60 as well, without the B from bottle ;)
To the topic starter... That is a really cool set up and very accurate shooting with JSBs. I bet you will have a lot of good times with this airgun. Please keep us posted about your findings !
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Pulling the bottle for filling the gun is a bit tedious, but at least they made the probe from stainless instead of brass. Wes, I'd be interested in upgrading my bottle/fill port later if you can have those available separately.
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Yep I'm getting a bunch! I'll have them for sale separatelyand as an option to be installed on the gun when you purchase it.
I do have a few tube kits as well in the shipment though I think most are spoken for already.
Thanks,
Wes
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Nice review Terry. I noticed I was losing a lot of elevation on my scope turret, so I machined up a 30 moa rail for it. I really like how SPA used dowel pins for the pic rail, always wondered why my Impact didnt have any.
Nice rail. Any MOA in it?
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Yeah, 30. I noticed I was using up a bunch of elevation on the scope. Might have a slightly droopy barrel.
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Some trigger adjustment today:
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Anymore updates or thoughts?
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I had mine out today and the accuracy is still good. Depending on wind, Im getting 1 groups at 75 and 100 yards with 15.9 pellets.
When Wes gets those updated valves for the bottle, Im gonna want one to make filling a lot easier.
Carm makes 16 shot magazines for this model. I got one yesterday and now I may order a single shot loader for this gun.
I may try competing with it in 50M bench rest, but I gotta configure it to sit in my rest properly first.
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I added a fill port to mine. Ill take it out tomorrow and see what it does at a hundred.
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what is plenum volume on this gun?
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Ya know, for whatever reasons iīve had this on order for a year and a half.
Importer states this n that, one thingīs for sure though and thatīs that the rifles seems to avoid our shores.
As i live within the EU itīs thus gotten to the point where iīm considering importing one myself, then in 25cal.
Bottle version isnīt even on the agenda to us, again for whatever reason.
But that doesnīt detract from the fact that i find the M60 interesting and would love to dig into it. Seeing what the 25cal guns are capable of today though..
Iīve figured as much that what these units lack out on is primarily plenum chamber volume? Correct?
Does anyone know what that is at stock? Cause i bet that can me remedied, one way or another.
Looking at that video in turn it seems that slugs ainīt really their home turf? Thus i presume the barrel is choked, and if so to what amount?
What iīve been told they sport a 610mm barrel and loosing say 10-15mm of those to get rid of the choke to make the thing a slug shooter instead strikes at least me as a viable option.?
Its heft though was a new one to me. Thatīs a fair bit of chunk and change if at 11lbs! At that rate a CF bottle would make sense alright, but itīs been stated that the barrel is a rather bull barrel/heavy duty one?
Does anyone know why this is? In short, could it stand to loose a bit of weight on a lathe ya think?
Kind of strikes me a tad.. different, seeing where Snowpeak/Artemis comes from. Compare if you will to the old P-15 which is a featherweight if ever. Fact is, the P-15 to me is THE only PCP out there that could actually benefit from being weighted down a tad.
As a general consensus, if you want to call it that, thereīs some sorts of magic line downwards when it comes to weight that shouldnīt be surpassed. Like say 3kg worth fully dressed up.
Some of you might recall i indeed own a P-15 but apart that did me a HPA conversion on a CP-2 a while back too. That thing shoots really really well but is featherweight if ever.
To the point where having the thing on a rest, or bi-pod, it will actually jump around a tad upon firing. Not ideal..
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I was interested in the M60 for awhile, but I've fallen in love with my .177 Stoeger Bullshark. It's a dressed up p35 with a little extra weight, but that's a good thing in my opinion. Accuracy is phenomenal and it loves slugs. Mine is making over 23 fpe with 13 grain Knockouts and that's plenty for me. My Benjamin Cayden is tank in the weight department and one gun like that is plenty for me.
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Sweeeet. Can't waaaaaaaiit for mine to come in.