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Airguns by Make and Model => Beeman Airguns => Topic started by: Methuselah on August 21, 2023, 09:41:55 AM
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I'm looking for info on a just-got Beeman 0035 that seems it have been sold under several names including Model 56?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=171773.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=171773.0)
There seems to be a few references to 1980's and 1990's production, there's a read the manual warning on the breach block and I can't find a serial number in it anywhere. Also made in Spain.
Cocking effort is minimal, it put most of 5 rounds 6" low at 16 yards with 3 of them almost touching using irons. Back sight is all the way down and marks under the rail indicate sight is down to move it out of the way of a scope (?), so I'm hoping it has the adjustment range to zero it though I'm planning on a scope just to see how it does.
It doesn't have the large screw in front of the trigger (Recford?). Overall condition seems well used but not abused, and I'll try to post some pics (have to adjust file sizes first).
Anybody know anything about these? (Like where to look for a serial number). I can't imagine being the only one here with one of these! :P
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I have one. My first "adult" airgun..... got it at walmart
hvaent shot it for a while, but your correct, its a low effort gun. fun to shoot because of it
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I have one. My first "adult" airgun..... got it at walmart
hvaent shot it for a while, but your correct, its a low effort gun. fun to shoot because of it
What year did you get it? Does it have a serial number (where)?
Thanks for replying :D
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Pics (forgot the target)
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Purchsed at walmart in late 2000
dont know where the serial is.....
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Purchsed at walmart in late 2000
dont know where the serial is.....
Thanks, so at least a 23 year span. I reckon it looked like mine from the pics posted?
The auction page had it listed as "lightly used", more like heavily cleaned, cause seller missed a few spots. Aggravating that the truth was not an option, but the lockup ball pic was the only one doubled - from the pic it appeared the ball was badly galled but it must have been a reflection. So, anyway, I didn't notice that when I made an offer, and relieved more than aggravated I wasn't going to (at worst) be hunting a new barrel.
First group was not terrible using the iron sights, however, I'll have to mount a scope to see what it can do. I was mid-project on a D34 that I just scoped, so after I see what happens with that one I'll move that scope over to this one.
We can't be the only ones on the planet that bought one of these, I'm hoping more will come forward ???, I'd really like to hear more about what condition they are in and what it takes to upkeep, mod, or tune these.
Thanks again @dan_house :D
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So here's the target I promised, looks like the rifle can shoot, but I cant...
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I owned one once, for maybe an hour.
Purchased at a gun show, but traded it off for another pellet rifle and took boot at the same show.......
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An hour ... hot potato that.
I did find out a little, and I suppose anyone else could so this is probably a waste of bandwidth, but I learned it's been around in the 90's, perhaps also in the 80's. It's a Beeman import from Spain, but he didn't do it, it was done after he sold the company, but it was "in the spirit of" his attempts to import quality. In other words the rifles are deemed well built and generally accurate. Their Achilles' heel is their trigger does not compare to the other Beeman branded imports, and an article I found indicates the direct-sear makes trigger work a high risk proposition.
Their closest comparison to other air rifles seems to be the Beeman R7, which I'm going to guess is because cocking force is low, and the 0035 shares the globe sight and inserts concept (might be interchangeable).
I have no idea how many were sold, but almost nobody posts about them, and since my shooting skills are not sufficient to know if it can put rounds in the same hole without mounting a scope, I'll have to wait until I have an available scope to find out. Right now the scope I've got "floating" is on another rifle I want to answer the same question on.
I wish there was someone local and close by that was better on the trigger than I am, but most of the locals don't seem to want company... .
Almost forgot, Amazon does have a piston seal for sale that fits it, not sure if there's a breech seal available though, but I'm guessing it doesn't need it. Further, taking out the mainspring requires compressing it around (bypassing) the trigger group so it's not a straight forward task. It does not seem to have a serial number.
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remembered while I was at the shop to look for the serial.....
the ONLY thinig I could find on the gun (with it still in the stock) that looked like a serial number was on the block the barrel is set into,,, so on the shooters' left side, on the barrel block...
seems like a strange place to put one.....
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remembered while I was at the shop to look for the serial.....
the ONLY thinig I could find on the gun (with it still in the stock) that looked like a serial number was on the block the barrel is set into,,, so on the shooters' left side, on the barrel block...
seems like a strange place to put one.....
Thanks Dan, I saw that too. For some reason I didn't think it was a serial number.
Come to think of it, there are pics of one with stock removed on a blog, I could scour that to see if it's under the stock. Anyway, just an oddity, I don't necessarily have a need to know how old it is. Originally I thought it possible it might be so old that early ones had leather piston seals, but I no longer think mine might. Here's the site link:
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2010/12/beeman-gt600-air-rifle-part-2/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2010/12/beeman-gt600-air-rifle-part-2/)
When I scoured posts for these @Lizzy had one at least did at one time, maybe still does. Perhaps if so she will see this and chime in.
Hopefully I get a scope on it soon to see if it's "needy", but hey, with that target posted my suspicion is it may be more accurate than I am.
I had said it's also known as the Model 56, well on that site it's a Norica GT600.
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When I scoured posts for these @Lizzy had one at least did at one time, maybe still does
Oops, @lizzie
(I put placeholders in and edit when done ... forgot to edit!)
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Put a scope and scope stop on it last night and fired once into the ground to settle/retighten. This morning at about 11 yards just to see if it's on paper, what the heck, 3 rounds fired --- huh (?), 2 1/4" plus.
They did fit loose, only the skirt felt like it was engaging.
Above first target was Daisy flat nosed, these were Winchester domed (round nose) and heavier. I reckon I'll try again with the Daisy pellets, but also figured I'd ask if there are any suggestions on pellets to try. I have limited selections for .177 on hand, Crosman RN and HP, Destroyers, some RWS superdome, Daisy X3 sampler thing I got the flat nosed from, and pointed hunter I think.
The good news, it was 6" low first try and this time with that scope unadjusted and optically centered, 2" low left as it was on the one I removed it from - so at least I know it was low because the rear sight is all the way down to clear the previous owners scope.
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From phone
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Tablet (easier to type)
Top, daisy wad cutters, about an inch. Conacted seller, asked to return it. Seller refunded all but $26 and told me keep it. Sad part is it would have cost me more to return it.
Bottom targets, only the RWS SD's engaged the rifling before the skirts seated. Many of the others had some that just dropped in past the skirt. Passed the tissue test. Barrel pivots slightly loose but not sloppy. Possible broken spring or worn-out barrel?
It seems my choices are parting it out, or tearing it down to check it out. Decent wood stock, trigger parts, sights (and insert), decisions, decisions...
BTW, I haven't checked the stock screws, but figure if the previous owner pretty much wore it out, that they did.
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I forgot I have chrono connect on my phone, probably should at least look at numbers and inspect fhe crown closely. I've been gun shy about recrowning, but what have I got to lose...
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Made in Spain for Beeman probably by Cometa. Probably a direct sear trigger. Not a precision target gun or hunter. I wouldn't spend a lot of money on it. Your D34 is a lot nicer gun. Scope it and call it done. Maybe refinish the stock, nothing fancy.
You asked in the other thread about ammo for this. Stick with RWS. Miesterkugegn wad cutters shoot good in most anything. RWS is the only thing I buy now.
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Made in Spain for Beeman probably by Cometa. Probably a direct sear trigger. Not a precision target gun or hunter. I wouldn't spend a lot of money on it. Your D34 is a lot nicer gun. Scope it and call it done. Maybe refinish the stock, nothing fancy.
You asked in the other thread about ammo for this. Stick with RWS. Miesterkugegn wad cutters shoot good in most anything. RWS is the only thing I buy now.
Yes, direct sear trigger. I've ordered H&N and RWS wad cutters + FFT. Also the Amazon $30 cheap chrono (chrono connect was erratic). Also a piston seal. Crown has a ding, apparently I'll be learning as I go
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A Slavia 630/631 would be great.
They were on super sale years ago.
Wish I had grabbed one even though I'm no springer guy ???
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A Slavia 630/631 would be great.
They were on super sale years ago.
Wish I had grabbed one even though I'm no springer guy ???
For me, the one that got away was an $80 Crosman 397 in 2015. New, but at Bargain Hunter everything was distressed merchandise...
I like the sights and furniture on this, so if it costs me a little to learn maybe it's not so bad if I never make a shooter out of it. I can pull or push a pellet through once it's torn down, but first (by the numbers...) some decent ammo, 2nd the chrono, 3rd some barrel cleaning ... kinda see what's there before I start "learning" how to recrown...
I agree it's probably all a waste of time, but the ammo and chrono might come in handy on some other projects. I'll keep telling myself that until I believe it ;)
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Little TLC you can make anything shoot a little better. Your 0035 reminds me of my Beeman 1048. There's 0035 0n ebay for $80 and a1048 for $89. Without a chrony you don't know what's going on.
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A Slavia 630/631 would be great.
They were on super sale years ago.
Wish I had grabbed one even though I'm no springer guy ???
I think you're talking about the CZ 634's in the blue/black and red/black plastic stocks on sale a few years ago. I got one. Shoots good but my 631 outshoots it a little.
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Little TLC you can make anything shoot a little better. Your 0035 reminds me of my Beeman 1048. There's 0035 0n ebay for $80 and a1048 for $89. Without a chrony you don't know what's going on.
Just looked, the 1048 is new! There's also a GS700 which is the same thing as the 0035, used and filthy $235.
I think I'm bonkers for throwing more $$$ at this one, but at least I'm not going to be disappointed if I learn from it.
Turns out there seems to be a lot to learn... starting with simple stuff like no stock screws, seems you need a pin spanner. 2mm pins spaced 10mm. Cut nails through wood or ebay camera lens "tool" were some suggestions ???
The tube needed to push past the trigger group is going to be a fun challenge too, I have a hobby micro mill, but no lathe. So many prospects turned into projects, but I digress. ATTITUDE! I'm gonna have me some fun, I'm gonna have me some fun ;)
Thank you for chiming in Tim
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What do you mean by pin spanner and 2mm spaced 10mm?
The GS700, he'll only get $225 from someone doesn't know any better which is what he's hoping for.
I was just looking at the pics of you 0035, two 0035's on ebay and the GS700 and my 1048. They all have the same trigger, safety, trigger guard and the plastic cover on the back end of the receiver. But only mine and the GS700 have the Beeman badge on the left side above the trigger. And my 1048 is the only one doesn't have the plastic covers over the front stock screws. And my 1048 is the only one made in China. Of course the 1048 has the silver satin finish, barrel shroud and chromed trigger.
The only ding I saw on your muzzle was on the outside edge. If there's no ding on the bore hole it want need re-crowning. When you get your chrony if it's shooting 450-500 fps that's about the best it'll do. You want need a spring and seals.
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What do you mean by pin spanner and 2mm spaced 10mm?
The GS700, he'll only get $225 from someone doesn't know any better which is what he's hoping for.
I was just looking at the pics of you 0035, two 0035's on ebay and the GS700 and my 1048. They all have the same trigger, safety, trigger guard and the plastic cover on the back end of the receiver. But only mine and the GS700 have the Beeman badge on the left side above the trigger. And my 1048 is the only one doesn't have the plastic covers over the front stock screws. And my 1048 is the only one made in China. Of course the 1048 has the silver satin finish, barrel shroud and chromed trigger.
The only ding I saw on your muzzle was on the outside edge. If there's no ding on the bore hole it want need re-crowning. When you get your chrony if it's shooting 450-500 fps that's about the best it'll do. You want need a spring and seals.
So the plastic front screw covers pry off or unscrew? I thought they might actually be holding the stock. Silly me.
Agree, anyone paying $225 is going to be mighty disappointed...
When I get the chrono I'll post the numbers. Most ammo fit loose. I've also ordered some FTT in 4.52mm to try in it.
Hard to tell on the crown, would be even harder to get good pics. It does look like it's taken some dings though. Is cold bluing applied after touch-up? Just being lazy to ask ... I know I can look this stuff up.
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A Slavia 630/631 would be great.
They were on super sale years ago.
Wish I had grabbed one even though I'm no springer guy ???
I think you're talking about the CZ 634's in the blue/black and red/black plastic stocks on sale a few years ago. I got one. Shoots good but my 631 outshoots it a little.
Yes, that one.
PB Dionisio in the Philippines still carries the wood version with ample inventory.
To the uninformed, it’s too low in power.
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Steve, those plastic side screw cover just pop out.
Richard, Perun (or something like that) a company in Slovakia bought the CZ634 design from Slavia. They went back to wood but still use plastic stocks. Their gun is the 734. No one is selling it here yet.
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$30 Amazon chrono arrived, not the ammo yet. Five shots, RWS SD 8.3 gr.
400
392
401
411
406
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Seems a little week to me.
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Seems a little week to me.
I am assuming these readings are in meters per second ???
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Seems a little week to me.
I am assuming these readings are in meters per second ???
Converted mps to fps, and shot cycle/twang is loud enough to make me wonder if the spring is broken. I'm "assuming" it's well broken in (actually think it's rather worn-out).
I got in two of the three tins of pellets I ordered to try in it that are 4.53 IIRC and fired once into the ground last night to see if it helped the shot cycle or loose fit situation. It did fit more snugly but didn't help the shot cycle.
I'm really dreading if I'm going to have to break down the rifle because I know you have to relieve spring tension past the trigger group to do it which means making a tool (sleeve). I'm still thinking it will come to that, but as I said previously, want to try other stuff first like tissue test on breach (done/good), better fitting pellets with some being wad cutters, push a pellet through, recrowning, lapping with JB, then if it still doesn't group I have a piston seal coming...
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Shots relatively rushed, no AO out of focus scope, Miesterkugegn pellets should be delivered today. First semblance of a group, with some still fitting loose in the breach.
Aim point for last salvo right side of biggest ring. Scope is still optically centered.
Just under $45 in it and FFT pellet tin. Another $35 for 2 piston seals arriving by slow boat next month. Anybody think it's worth it?
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Miesterkugegn pellets grouped like the H&N wad cutters in previous target, poorly.
Tin is pretty dented, some pellets obviously damaded. Seeing as I have no idea if I own anything that will like them, I'm tempted to return them. Still, I don't know that anyone else would have gotten pellets to me without some damages. I'll probably see if the neighbor's kid still shoots his Daisy 880 ... (mine shoots win domes very well, no point in trying anything else more expensive)
Next post, contemplating next step(s).
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So, here's the score.
It will only group with FTT 4.53, and I've given it pretty much no extra settle-in rounds with anything but the initial Crosman Ultra mags.
It averages 400 fps with a slightly lighter pellet than the FTTs. There's a new seal on the way.
It passed the breach seal tissue test.
It doesn't seem to be hold sensitive.
The scope is one step above garbage but there seems to be enough consistency to presume it's holding up.
Pellets fit loose in the breach.
Next step anyone?
My thoughts are add distance and maybe paint roller rest using the FTT's, clean barrel and repeat. Recrown (?). Maybe I better start by pushing a pellet down the barrel first ... wonder if the barrel is choked...
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OK, surprising. Pushed CPUM down the barrel. Some resistance all the way down and only minimal or none at the last inch.
It rained, no stretching the range with the FTT's today.
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Oops, can't stretch out range when it's shooting 3 plus inches left. Just adjusted about 3 revolutions of the turret. POI adjustments seemed unstable, probably floated the erector tube.
Rats.
Saga to be continued
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Rebuild, refinish and get a new scope and be done with it.
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> and be done with it.
I'm prattling on too long, aren't I?
Just moved out, too far, then closer (long story).
No group, adjust scope, no help. Don't buy it ... shotgun pattern is definitely a lie.
Remove scope, couple adjustments, maybe 1/4 to 3/8 group. Measured. 40 feet.
If I hadn't already ordered the seal I'd probably settle, lousy shot cycle and all. Decent irons actually, got a few .22 pb's with worse.
Um, refinish. Interesting, not sure that's in my wheelhouse. Maybe, just maybe. It's really still a $26 gun so couldn't hurt ;)
BTW, many deformed skirts. Thanks Amazon. The two pellet tins it wouldn't shoot might do good in the 362 Anniv I ordered last week (no shipping notice yet, hope they pack better than Amazon)
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Get your pellets from Pyramyd Air. They pack them well and you get one free if you buy four tins. Little guns like that I shoot pistol pellets in them. I'd get RWS Meisters and R-10 Match 8.2 grs wadcutters and Miester and R-10 pistol 7 grs w/c's.
Wood and bluing look good. New spring and seals maybe?
At the ranges you'll shoot the 0035 you don't need AO. From Walmart a Center Pointe 3-9x32 mildot lum is $34, usually $54. 'Bout the only scope I buy now. I use that at to 50 yards or more. AO is something else to break. Enjoy.
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It averages 400 fps with a slightly lighter pellet than the FTTs. There's a new seal on the way.
That works out to about 4 J, just over one-half of the tiny German Freimark limit (and most German guns with the pentagon shoot in fact over it).
I think either the 30-buck chrono lies, or your gun has a serious deficiency, like a completely fatigued mainspring. Cometa mainsprings are famous for their short life, due to their extremely small ID and poor steel.
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It averages 400 fps with a slightly lighter pellet than the FTTs. There's a new seal on the way.
That works out to about 4 J, just over one-half of the tiny German Freimark limit (and most German guns with the pentagon shoot in fact over it).
I think either the 30-buck chrono lies, or your gun has a serious deficiency, like a completely fatigued mainspring. Cometa mainsprings are famous for their short life, due to their extremely small ID and poor steel.
Cometa? I was thinking Norica? The only marking is Beeman though.
I'm speculating a broken or collapsed mainspring, worn seal, zero lubrication, or combination of.
I really do believe the $30 chrono, which also clocked the Daisy 880 at 593 with winchester rn (fairly heavy), 10 pumps.
I'm actually considering a drop or two of pelgun oil or, well, idontknow...
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The gun might well be a Norica. I just picked the Cometa suggestion off somewhere in this thread. Dr. Beeman didn't make things easy, putting his name on a dozen makes.
Norica mainsprings may be as bad as Cometas, or not. Gamo springs aren't too good, either. At any rate, a really dead mainspring could make a gun shoot a little over one half of the expected ME.
Really old lubes turn into semi-glue. The piston may barely move in the chamber of a 30+ yo., never-opened springer, been there.
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At any rate, a really dead mainspring could make a gun shoot a little over one half of the expected ME.
Really old lubes turn into semi-glue. The piston may barely move in the chamber of a 30+ yo., never-opened springer, been there.
Low FPE doesn't bother me too much if it shoots accurately, though the thought of gummed up piston seal seems counter intuitive to it having a reasonable ES and rough shot cycle?
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We'll never know till you tear it down.
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We'll never know till you tear it down.
Yup. Seal's on the way. I'll still need to make an adapter to get past the trigger group and push on the spring though.
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11 yards
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,129628.msg156476342.html#msg156476342 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,129628.msg156476342.html#msg156476342)
25 yards
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(Sorry, don't know how to put text between or after attached pictures)
Found a copper plumbing repair coupling for 3/4" pipe, .957" OD. to compress the spring past the trigger group. No idea if ID matters, reckon I'll find out, but not today - gotta hug my toilet today (replacing a leaky bidet). Oh, joy.
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Pushed to 25 yards again yesterday evening to look at groups on a new C2023 (Crosman 362 Anniversary) and its pump ran dry with just 13 shots, so switched to the 0035.
One good, 2nd low, 3rd wouldn't leave the breach... presume the seal saw my angst on the 362 and committed suicide ::)
I think I hear the Twilight Zone theme playing in the background
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Baby steps, I think it was ems (electrical) conduit. Forks were supposed to be 2.5", but they are a little short. Cut with a band saw, shortened with a pipe cutter.
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Steve, those plastic side screw cover just pop out.
Richard, Perun (or something like that) a company in Slovakia bought the CZ634 design from Slavia. They went back to wood but still use plastic stocks. Their gun is the 734. No one is selling it here yet.
Dunno if this Slavia is one of the nice ones.
Pretty cheap though:
https://www.airgunrevisions.com/product/salvia-618-youth-springer/
Pardon the OT.
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Yup. Seal's on the way. I'll still need to make an adapter to get past the trigger group and push on the spring though.
I'm super busy this week. So, if you can wait till next week, I'll post a pic of the adapter I made and how I use it to open the gun up. I'll also post a pic of how I replaced the front sight with a M1 carbine front sight. I replaced the rear open sight with a Williams peep sight.
I've been working on refinishing the stock. The stock is made of some seriously hard wood and sanding takes forever! When removing the finish, it left a milky color in the wood which needs sanded off. Its an aggravating amount of work. However, I have to admit I really like the feel of this stock. This gun feels good in the hands. So I do enjoy shooting it.
I'd like to say more but life is calling me again.
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Yup. Seal's on the way. I'll still need to make an adapter to get past the trigger group and push on the spring though.
I'm super busy this week. So, if you can wait till next week, I'll post a pic of the adapter I made and how I use it to open the gun up. I'll also post a pic of how I replaced the front sight with a M1 carbine front sight. I replaced the rear open sight with a Williams peep sight.
I've been working on refinishing the stock. The stock is made of some seriously hard wood and sanding takes forever! When removing the finish, it left a milky color in the wood which needs sanded off. Its an aggravating amount of work. However, I have to admit I really like the feel of this stock. This gun feels good in the hands. So I do enjoy shooting it.
I'd like to say more but life is calling me again.
Know what you mean by life calling. Very interested in the pics, and if "operation" goes according to plan I'm considering a first-time stock refinish too :D
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The Beeman 0035 is a Spanish made gun by Norica-Laurona. Also marketed as the Marksman 0035. It was one of my first break barrels when I started out in the airgun hobby. As a matter of fact, one of my first visits with CDT (aka Bob Werner) in Simpsonville SC was a crash course in springerology. “Charlie” was a super nice guy and we rebuilt the old 0035 and it was quite an experience. He had a Diana 34 he had just tuned and it was the first time I had ever seen a Diana rifle. I’ve been a mess ever since!!!!!
The 0035 is/was an entry level “cheapo Beeman” for those that couldn’t afford the Weihrauch made stuff. It was also known as the Beeman Silver Bear rifle. Hench the marketing of the light weight hp H&N pellets that Dr Beeman had rebranded with his name. ‘Crow mag’ theoben, ‘Kodiak! Webley and Scott, etc. You get the idea. I loved the ease of shouldering and light weight of the gun,… but the trigger was God Aweful!!! Auto safety with a unique safety release fore of the trigger blade. Ended up selling it or giving it away at some point. Still have a few spare springs if anyone wants them.
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The Beeman 0035 is a Spanish made gun by Norica-Laurona. Also marketed as the Marksman 0035. It was one of my first break barrels when I started out in the airgun hobby. As a matter of fact, one of my first visits with CDT (aka Bob Werner) in Simpsonville SC was a crash course in springerology. “Charlie” was a super nice guy and we rebuilt the old 0035 and it was quite an experience. He had a Diana 34 he had just tuned and it was the first time I had ever seen a Diana rifle. I’ve been a mess ever since!!!!!
The 0035 is/was an entry level “cheapo Beeman” for those that couldn’t afford the Weihrauch made stuff. It was also known as the Beeman Silver Bear rifle. Hench the marketing of the light weight hp H&N pellets that Dr Beeman had rebranded with his name. ‘Crow mag’ theoben, ‘Kodiak! Webley and Scott, etc. You get the idea. I loved the ease of shouldering and light weight of the gun,… but the trigger was God Aweful!!! Auto safety with a unique safety release fore of the trigger blade. Ended up selling it or giving it away at some point. Still have a few spare springs if anyone wants them.
@tjk,
I'm going to have to take mine apart and it was shooting 400's before the seal gave up --- I would love to have one of those spare springs!!! (I'll PM you?)
Do you recall what year you got your 0035?
I've got a Dana 34, never did manage to get it straightened out...
Thanks!!!
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I think I got that gun around 2008 or 2009. But the date of the gun probably dated back to the early 1990’s (??? Maybe) when Beeman sold out to the “sports & recreation” whoever that also bought out the Marksman brand. The cheaper branded Beemans and Marksman’s were kind of melded together there for a while I believe but don’t quote that as absolute fact. When I ordered an owners manual
From the address on the gun, the brochure was an owners manual for the “Beeman Silver Bear” rifle with the Beeman bear logo on it. That’s how I knew the gun was marketed by different companies over time. Later that company sold out to a Chinese manufacturer that still makes models branded as Beeman. Kind of a poor man’s low powered plinker. Mine Marksman 0035 had the pentagon “F” stamped on the breech block too.
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I think I got that gun around 2008 or 2009. But the date of the gun probably dated back to the early 1990’s ... Mine Marksman 0035 had the pentagon “F” stamped on the breech block too.
Mine has the pentagon "F" too. Low power for Europe? Apparently not too many people had the 0035's, or at least I don't see much about them. My trigger is better than the Daisy 880, just smoother pull, but still a bit stout.
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The pentagon F means that the lower power (the 0035 in this case) exempts the owner from having to posses an official Fire arms certification in countries that require them.
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F-marked guns are meant to shoot under the German 7.5J (5.51 fpe) limit. In reality, if the springer is medium- or higher power by design, they usually shoot around 10J (7.35 fpe). We like to think Germans do things By the Book, no exceptions, but in reality they are lax about this, unlike the British authorities about the 12 fpe limit in effect there.
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Cleaned up everything but receiver, those pins worry me because they were knerreled on one end and reassembly fixture is precarious...
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I've tried a couple different things, can't get it cleaned out inside the receiver behind the transfer port.
Choices on the table at the moment are sandpaper or 000 steel wool at the end of a dowel or drill extension and end brush. I've ordered a (locking) 12" bit extender and 240 grit nylon hex drive end brush.
Could have tried soaking it too, but I like the idea of more toys ::)
I have a setscrew type extension somewhere but not sure where and would have nightmares about the brush coming loose down in the end of the tube...
Another option might have been a larger ultrasonic bath? Couldn't justify that cost. I bet there's an easier way but I was too lazy to start searching.
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Bought a locking 12" bit extender and hex drive end brush with 240 grit impregnated.
QUESTION, use it wet or dry, water, soapy water, alcohol, or what? I've got an air compressor so can blow it dry after...
Receiver pic
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The plan...
(Still seeking input/suggestions)
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I would go at it using a light oil and see how much is removed. if more aggression is needed Fitz polish may be an option.
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New seal, turned out not to need the spring, which was exactly the same length as the ones Thomas in SC (@tjk) graciously sent me --- THANK YOU AGAIN THOMAS!
First shot to see it work, 2nd pointed down rest more or less slightly tipped downward. It's tricky holding the cheapo chrono on the front sight, I think the 503 was held cockeyed...
520.2
537.3
539.2
532.7
536.4
540.6
533.2
542.5
503.3
541.1
Hopefully I'll set out a target tomorrow. This was my first springer reseal. Used ARH moly and tar, polished spring ends and washer up to 1000 grit (highest I had lying around).
Wish I thought to take some pics...
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The plan...
(Still seeking input/suggestions)
Glad you liked the way I do it.
I wouldn't use the abrasive. You don't need it. Run it dry, it will brush right out. I'm familiar with the Norica seals. Waxy bubble gum just like old FWB seals. Save the abrasive for when you're done and hone the cylinder if that's your thing. I just wouldn't let the abrasive brush hang out at the bottom while you're cleaning out the goop in the crevice. You don't want to risk abrading a taper there.
Wash it out when you're done with whatever you think. I use mineral spirits a lot. Followed by compressed air. Then maybe a quick blast of brake clean blown out. No residue should remain after that.
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The plan...
(Still seeking input/suggestions)
Glad you liked the way I do it.
I wouldn't use the abrasive. You don't need it. Run it dry, it will brush right out. I'm familiar with the Norica seals. Waxy bubble gum just like old FWB seals. Save the abrasive for when you're done and hone the cylinder if that's your thing. I just wouldn't let the abrasive brush hang out at the bottom while you're cleaning out the goop in the crevice. You don't want to risk abrading a taper there.
Wash it out when you're done with whatever you think. I use mineral spirits a lot. Followed by compressed air. Then maybe a quick blast of brake clean blown out. No residue should remain after that.
Wish I read your postings yesterday, however you're off the mark a hair on the abrasive, that end brush has it embedded.
I got all I could whilst dry then blew it out and used a torn piece of t-shirt (pushed out through transfer port. I'm pretty sure it left smaller residue in the weld.
Here's today's numbers using crosman premium domed 10.5 boxed, seated using a pen (they go in about 1/8"):
436.2
429.0
440.9
437.8
432.3
442.2
431.4
439.6
440.9
446.3
The groups were unacceptable with these, and I'm not sure the only pellet it liked before the seal went will still group.
It did have a scope before, so maybe I should try again like that.
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"Groups"
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With a scope it was about 4" low at 7 or 8 yards, removed scope. I think that's too much for shimming, so probably need to figure out which scope/rings I used last time or get me a drooper mount. It did kinda group, but it wasn't the most stable of perches and I wasn't half trying --- I'll reserve that for the proper setup first.
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Norica is still around. If you aren't far enough in the weeds yet, you could see if they have a gas ram for it;
https://youtu.be/HepNDekaYQo?feature=shared
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Third time was the charm, it's on crooked but it was close enough to zero.
Haven't had the chance to shoot targets but it's nailing my little plastic bottles gallery stuff at 25 yards, so I'm thinking success.
Also fixed or worked 2 or 3 others...
I'll have to get some targets posted when I come full circle. Scope is proof of life stuff, goal is going to be iron sights.
Edit: oops. Yeah, um, gas ram ... I'm a cheapskate, if it's working I'm unlikely to fix it. Interesting to learn it can be done to this one though.
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I have one in .177 mines a Marksman 0035. These are made in Spain and sold as a Norica Krono
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The Beeman/Marksman 0035 rifles were made by Norica. Neat low-med powered springers. The triggers didn’t do the rest of the rifle justice. The stocks weren’t the best, but they shoulder real easy. To disassemble, you will need a long fingered block to bypass the trigger group with a spring compressor