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Title: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: Baco on August 20, 2023, 05:48:06 PM
is anyone using it on their compressor?
only option i could find that us both synthetic and non detergent
Title: Re: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: Back_Roads on August 20, 2023, 06:01:34 PM
 I thought that oil looked familiar, I used it when I did automotive A/c. flash point seems on the low side for HPA. I use Royal Purple, but this has the same rating.
https://www.amazon.com/Air-Compressor-Synthetic-Jenny-Ultimate/dp/B07CTTFHFF/ref=sr_1_2? (https://www.amazon.com/Air-Compressor-Synthetic-Jenny-Ultimate/dp/B07CTTFHFF/ref=sr_1_2?)
Title: Re: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: Baco on August 20, 2023, 06:14:48 PM
I thought that oil looked familiar, I used it when I did automotive A/c. flash point seems on the low side for HPA. I use Royal Purple, but this has the same rating.
https://www.amazon.com/Air-Compressor-Synthetic-Jenny-Ultimate/dp/B07CTTFHFF/ref=sr_1_2? (https://www.amazon.com/Air-Compressor-Synthetic-Jenny-Ultimate/dp/B07CTTFHFF/ref=sr_1_2?)

where did you check flash point?

i can only buy locally
Title: Re: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: Back_Roads on August 20, 2023, 07:23:02 PM
 LOL I can not find one now , but most listings have a flkash point listed, or a MSDS number to reference.
 I refined my search to breathing safe compressor oil that may help you find locally.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=breathing+air+compressor+oil&i=automotive&crid=1RLULYLQRLSXQ&sprefix=breathing+air+compressor+oil%2Cautomotive%2C200&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=breathing+air+compressor+oil&i=automotive&crid=1RLULYLQRLSXQ&sprefix=breathing+air+compressor+oil%2Cautomotive%2C200&ref=nb_sb_noss_1)
Title: Re: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: Baco on August 20, 2023, 09:57:58 PM
LOL I can not find one now , but most listings have a flkash point listed, or a MSDS number to reference.
 I refined my search to breathing safe compressor oil that may help you find locally.
https://www.amazon.com/s?k=breathing+air+compressor+oil&i=automotive&crid=1RLULYLQRLSXQ&sprefix=breathing+air+compressor+oil%2Cautomotive%2C200&ref=nb_sb_noss_1 (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=breathing+air+compressor+oil&i=automotive&crid=1RLULYLQRLSXQ&sprefix=breathing+air+compressor+oil%2Cautomotive%2C200&ref=nb_sb_noss_1)
looking up on google i found 225c about the same as synthetic/mineral compressor oil

I'm in south merica so amazon doesn't work
the oil I'm looking at is for AC compressors but should be the same thing right
Title: Re: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: cosmic on August 22, 2023, 03:59:52 PM
No you need a high pressure compressor synthetic compressor oil.. I use Mobil 827 Rarus ..
Title: Re: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: Baco on August 22, 2023, 04:38:19 PM
No you need a high pressure compressor synthetic compressor oil.. I use Mobil 827 Rarus ..
those only sell in 20l gallons here

ended up getting a local iso 100 compressor oil, mineral based
some ppl were saying it rises up to the 2nd stage and recommended iso 150 but i guess it's ambient temp dependant
now i'm looking for a drain filter/valve i can hook to this compressor
Title: Re: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: TorqueMaster on August 22, 2023, 09:53:51 PM
No you need a high pressure compressor synthetic compressor oil.. I use Mobil 827 Rarus ..
those only sell in 20l gallons here

ended up getting a local iso 100 compressor oil, mineral based
some ppl were saying it rises up to the 2nd stage and recommended iso 150 but i guess it's ambient temp dependant
now i'm looking for a drain filter/valve i can hook to this compressor

Ideally, you _want_ a high pressure synthetic compressor oil, but it is not required.  I've seen it further recommended that it be _non-detergent_ oil. 

Looking at a similar pump, Air Venturi's 110V pump manual:
https://www.airventuri.com/site/manuals/av-comp4500-py-a-7458-manual-low-res2.pdf (https://www.airventuri.com/site/manuals/av-comp4500-py-a-7458-manual-low-res2.pdf)

It says "Fill with approximately ⅓ of a quart of 5W40 motor oil or compressor oil.   Carefully follow the gauge on the oil
window to fill to the proper level."

Air Venturi's own compressor oil is a synthetic blend, iso 100.  Finding 5W40 _non-detergent_ motor oil is probably a fool's errand, so to me implies that they are ok with you using off-the-shelf automotive 5W40 in their compressor.  Nowhere do they mention "synthetic" so while it would be preferred, it doesn't seem to be required.   

What you found should be ok by Air Venturi's requirements.



Title: Re: PAG46 oil any good?
Post by: Baco on August 23, 2023, 01:03:12 PM
yeah non detergent to avoid metal &^^& and impurities being dispersed

i found a motul coolant for motorcycles that claims to be better for soft aluminum it's called "hybrid tech"

 this thing looks like a fit for the copper serpentine mod in case it condenses
aliexpress.com/item/1005003770469858.html?

also i read a couple interesting scientific articles one showing that PAG performs better above 57C but below mineral trumps it and another one testing graphene/moly at 0.05% wt on compressor oil for anti wearing properties
moly alone reduced the coefficient of friction by 60%