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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => German AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Crowman on June 05, 2023, 09:35:07 AM
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I bought a few Diana’s and realize they have more kick than the other makes. I do have a ZR mount on a 54 Pro .22. and love it.
I’m not really familiar with the Diana line. But the ZR mounts are available now. I have 2- 460’s which kick. Also a 350 magnum premium and 46 are on hold. Again not familiar but impressed.
I was also thinking on the HW 90’s?
What current rifles would you recommend to receive the ZR mount?
Crow
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I bought a few Diana’s and realize they have more kick than the other makes. I do have a ZR mount on a 54 Pro .22. and love it.
I’m not really familiar with the Diana line. But the ZR mounts are available now. I have 2- 460’s which kick. Also a 350 magnum premium and 46 are on hold. Again not familiar but impressed.
I was also thinking on the HW 90’s?
What current rifles would you recommend to receive the ZR mount?
Crow
Any springers that are over 16-18 fpe. ;)
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Thanks. Makes perfect sense. Crow
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I bought a few Diana’s and realize they have more kick than the other makes. I do have a ZR mount on a 54 Pro .22. and love it.
I’m not really familiar with the Diana line. But the ZR mounts are available now. I have 2- 460’s which kick. Also a 350 magnum premium and 46 are on hold. Again not familiar but impressed.
I was also thinking on the HW 90’s?
What current rifles would you recommend to receive the ZR mount?
Crow
Yogi already answered on the rifle side, though I do use ZR mounts in 12 ft-lbs guns, where I cannot use "Airgun rated" scopes.
And this is the other side, depends on the scopes, LOL!
Small scopes with little inertia on guns that have the action solidly attached to the stock can fare well even in strong springers.
Large scopes with heavy erectors, or even medium-weight scopes in rifles with sleds will loose zero and wander all over the place. They might not break or cant the reticle, but that does not mean that they are working truly well.
The truly fine scopes are NOT made for springers, so if you want to use anything in the top lines, you would do well to use a ZR mount.
JMO
HM
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Guys, what do you think about dampa mounts vs ZR? What mount would you recommend for a magnum springer?
I’m considering getting Sportsmatch Dampa or ZR for my HW80
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I’d be interested to hear some Dampa comparisons as well. I have a couple of ZR mounts and they are good kit but a little bulky. I have no experience at all with Dampa.
As for those looking at ZR mounts I’ve found mine to be great. They do what they say and are well made in my experience.
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ZR Mount specs; could someone list the detail spec of the ZR Mount. I am interested in the length from the outside edge of one ring to the outside edge of the other ring & thanks.
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Thanks for your opinions. It helps. Crow
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I prefer the the Dampa mount over the rest. Probably have a few dozen in use. Never had an ounce of trouble with them. No movement.
I really like the ZR mount on my 54 Pro. I bought 4 ZR’s for a few higher powered rifles. Crow
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I am interested in the length from the outside edge of one ring to the outside edge of the other ring & thanks.
120 mm's
It's a fairly standard measurement in German designed mounts, starting with the old RWS "C" (steel) mount, keeping over to the RWS "LockDown" and now the DIANA / Bullseye ZR.
That does not mean that they cannot be "Shortened" a bit.
If you have the time, read this:
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/nightvision-riflescope-for-springers (https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/nightvision-riflescope-for-springers)
This scope is now discontinued, but there are ways to even make them shorter:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/9616/LFkieN.jpg)
Bases are for 11 mm's dovetails, rings on current production Gen IV are dual: 30 mm's / 1", the spacers are aluminum and indexed.
They open enough to go into dovetails that do NOT have an open end.
They have a rear "stop pin" but I have found that unnecessary even in 24 ft-lbs D54's.
HTH, keep well and shoot straight!
I've made over 150 of these mounts into "Accurized" mounts, and they do perform well.
HM
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Guys, what do you think about dampa mounts vs ZR? What mount would you recommend for a magnum springer?
I’m considering getting Sportsmatch Dampa or ZR for my HW80
Gorshi;
It all depends on your expectations.
Dampa mounts have trouble giving scopes protection above the 16 ft-lbs level.
They are hard to make repeatable. If you leave the "dampers" loose, the scope suffers, if you tighten them much, mount does not return to battery exactly.
ZR mounts have been getting better and better. The new GenIV returns rather well to battery and they are good as OEM even for some precision hunting.
If you want TARGET grade accuracy, then both of them need work with the difference that the Dampa have their limits because they look to "absorb" the recoil and vibrations, while the ZR just lets the scope "float" and lets the rest of the rifle (and the shooter) to absorb the recoil and vibrations.
On the subject of vibrations is where the main difference lies. For heightened protection against recoil, the Dampa need to be rather tight, and when tight they transmit to the scope more vibrations.
A testament to the capability of the ZR mount to protect scopes is that non-airgun-rated scopes are in use in airguns with no ill effect.
Even vintage scopes have been used.
I tested some Dampa mounts years ago for FT, and they were not up to snuff (not repeatable enough). I tested the Gen I of the ZR and they were not up to snuff. For many years I used fixed mounts, then I started thinking HOW to make the ZR mounts work, and that is what I do.
One more thing: The Dampa mounts I tested were not "droop compensated" and so that was an additional challenge. All the ZR mounts have 4 mRads compensation.
In short: If you are not after utmost accuracy, the Dampa will do. If you are after hunting grade accuracy, the OEM ZR mounts will do better. If you are after target/match grade accuracy, then you are better off with an Accurized set of mounts.
JMHO
HM
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I picked up a clone ZR mount, to test the waters, and they do isolate the scope from shock, the flip up lens covers barely flinch during shot cycle. If I were more of a springer shooter I would invest in the ZR mount.
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Thanks for the Dampa vs ZR thoughts. Appreciate very much.
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Thank you HectorMedina! Very helpful 👍
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In my experience I have both mounts and the newest version of the zr mount is more accurate than the dampa.
With that said my only question is are they worth the money?
Just out of curiosity I bought a cheap knockoff chinese version of the zr. I payed somewhere around 15-20 bucks for it and it was God awful out of the box.
After drilling and taping eight holes and installed nylon set screws it is now as good maybe a little better than the new zr for a lot less money. I wish Daina would offer a zr mount with no droop
Compensation for us non daina shooters. Using either modified or the newest version of the zr mount it is at best hunting accurate depending on your criteria for hunting accurate.
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Thanks for invaluable info HectorMedina. I do have several Dampa mounts which I’ll make sure they’re on appropriate rifles. I did have a ZR mount that was defective from 2 years ago. Back 11mm rail screw stripped. Not enough thread. I was really hesitant on buying again because they didn’t stand behind their errors. I did try again and happy with this replacement. I now have 4. Crow
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Thanks for invaluable info HectorMedina. I do have several Dampa mounts which I’ll make sure they’re on appropriate rifles. I did have a ZR mount that was defective from 2 years ago. Back 11mm rail screw stripped. Not enough thread. I was really hesitant on buying again because they didn’t stand behind their errors. I did try again and happy with this replacement. I now have 4. Crow
Thank YOU, Crow!
Thanks for your trust and confidence.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM