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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: kbstingwing on June 02, 2023, 11:07:55 PM
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Ok, so I decided to make the Notos a Bottle gun, I found a drop block on Amazon and made it work for the Notos, I really didn't do much to the drop block, I removed the main valve assembly and the bottle adapter from the drop block, I used a 16 x 1 mm tap and tapped the threads as far as I could on the drop block gun side, I just made a valve depressor pin, I used a 4 x 20 mm screw and cut off the head and ground it down to about 14mm long, I then Tapped the small center hole in the bottle side the same thread as the screw, this will provide a valve depressor for the paintball type regulator on the Carbon Bottle, then I shaved about 0.003" off the drop block gun end, just enough to align with the main body, installed a 16 x 2.5 mm O-ring from the parts kit that came with the drop block, I used a lathe to shave the block, I'm using a 500cc /4500psi carbon bottle, the diameter of the bottle is 61mm, length is 11.75" from regulator bottle connection to end of bottle, I switched out the regulator O-ring on the end to a larger O-ring 14 x 2.5mm, I also added a 20 x 2.5mm on the regulator neck, the drop block fosters fill port is going to be unused, tape it and cap it off, install a Teflon seal into the gauge port and install the Gauge, the bottle gauge and fosters fill port should line up on either side of the barrel, reassemble the gun, leak test, make sure to cock the gun before filling with air.
drop block: https://www.amazon.com/airmega-Airforce-Regulator-Paintball-Accessories/dp/B0BLHFKY4R/ref=sr_1_2?crid=F7MM3QGFV624&keywords=pcp+accessories&qid=1685758041&sprefix=PCP+acc%2Caps%2C149&sr=8-2 (https://www.amazon.com/airmega-Airforce-Regulator-Paintball-Accessories/dp/B0BLHFKY4R/ref=sr_1_2?crid=F7MM3QGFV624&keywords=pcp+accessories&qid=1685758041&sprefix=PCP+acc%2Caps%2C149&sr=8-2)
I have only did a few shots to sight in the scope, getting to dark to check FPS, my regulator is preset to 1500psi, I filled the bottle to 4500psi,
I will be testing everything tomorrow.
here's what it looks like
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I'm not sure if you are aware, but this severely limits your warranty ;) Looks great, I was going to say I will be waiting for a shot count to empty, but may not live that long :o
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Kevin! Awesome mods! You should get at least a thousand shots now 🤗! Ha! Nice work!
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I'm not sure if you are aware, but this severely limits your warranty ;) Looks great, I was going to say I will be waiting for a shot count to empty, but may not live that long :o
:o :o :o Oh No, I forgot about the Warranty...... ;D ;D ;D, Oh Well, I guess I'll have to fix it myself if needed, I'm guessing on the shot count being about 250-300 shots, my Gauntlet has the same bottle and about the same tune, and it got just over 300 shots, I lost count.... :o ;D, weight wise feels about the same, maybe just a couple oz more than stock, I'll have to find my scale to weigh it, tomorrow will be the day for testing, so we'll see. ;)
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Thanks Randall, I don't think it will be in the Thousands but several hundred will be adequate for me... ;D ;D ;D ;) 8)
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Nice to see you get it all done, takes the notos to whole new level.
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Nice to see you get it all done, takes the notos to whole new level.
It was easy too, the drop Block is already 95% there, just trimmed about .003" off the gun end of the block for alignment to the main body and then tapping the threads on the 16mm x 1mm hole more the the regulator Valve depressor screw, a few more O-rings and done, just getting the tools to do it takes a little time.
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Very nice, so the big question is how much you going to charge me to make me one of those lol..
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Many Props for the build and Im sure it serves u well….but I dont understand increasing the shot count ,when u still have to load it and I havent seen a 300 round Mag….your gun/your rulz….good luck
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Many Props for the build and Im sure it serves u well….but I dont understand increasing the shot count ,when u still have to load it and I havent seen a 300 round Mag….your gun/your rulz….good luck
That is the next thing, just screw a tin of pellets to the mag and shoot away :)
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Many Props for the build and Im sure it serves u well….but I dont understand increasing the shot count ,when u still have to load it and I havent seen a 300 round Mag….your gun/your rulz….good luck
That is the next thing, just screw a tin of pellets to the mag and shoot away :)
a 300 round mag..... Hummm :o, it's all because I'm Disabled, I want to have a gun I don't need to air up as much, like most of my guns are bottle guns except my HW100's and a couple other exceptions which might get converted some day, having to reload pellets from a tin is easier than lugging a buddy bottle around with you to refill, I do a lot of shooting at my friends property and I go through a lot of air and pellets, last time the Notos ran out of air and I had to walk back to the truck to refill, I was several hundred yards from the truck, for me that is hard since I have Sciatica, I have to carry a small chair with me so I can sit and relieve the pain every time it comes on and I carry my Primos Tripod too, so hence Bottle gun now, I also use the tripod as a cane, which helps a lot, I don't want to need a vehicle to get around, I need the exercise but I don't need the extra weight of a buddy bottle hanging on me or walking back to the truck every time I need air :'( :'( :'(
now Who's going to make the 300 shot Magazine.... ;D ;D ;D 8)
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Ok, Yesterday as I was finishing the Drop Block, I was also Printing a Moderator Baffle on the 3D printer, it was doing great, 9 hours on the printer 80% done.... then disaster :-[
the Baffle came loose from it's bond to the build plate and went haywire :o :o :o :'( so this morning I went back into the program on Cura and found the problem, I set the build plate adhesion to "Skirt"..... for something this tall, "Skirt" doesn't work... DUH :o so I went back in and deleted the file and made a new Cura file, reset the build plate adhesion to "Brim", Started printing again this morning and we will see if it worked later this evening, now I need to do some testing.
I'll Be Back
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Very nice, so the big question is how much you going to charge me to make me one of those lol..
Hey Brian, you don't need a Mill or Lathe, if you have a belt sander it will work, all you need to do is take off just enough metal so the block will align with the main body of the Receiver.
also you would need a 16x1mm Tap and a tap to fit the screw you would use for the regulator valve depressor, I used a 4x20mm screw but a 6/32 screw and tap would work just as well.
the problem is having to have your gun to align the block, I'm sure they don't do every gun exactly the same, were talking china here, so small variants could make a huge difference in the alignment.
besides, I don't want the Liability, doing it for myself is one thing, but for others is another, especially dealing with a high pressure part. Got it... ;)
good luck
Kevin
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Ok, I'm Back,
First, I shot the Notos with a 1500psi Regulator and averaged 673 fps with the hammer spring adjusted to full spring tension shooting Hades 15.89gn, I was expecting some loss in FPS due to lower plenum space with the drop block, I switched out the regulator to a 1800psi that I had on hand for another project, that bumped up the gun to 730 fps, which is good for me, not sure how many shots yet per fill, it's gonna take a full day to shoot this tank down, I did weigh the gun with Atlon Talos 4x16x42 scope, it came in at 7.1 lbs, not to bad, it is still really accurate, hit the knots on the tree dead on center every time at 25 yards, there was a Squirrel that ran off just before I sighted it in again, to bad, he could have been the first test subject..... ;D ;D,
so it works, maybe hogging out the block might increase plenum space, maybe later.
Kevin
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Too much talent, Kevin sir 👍
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Very nice, so the big question is how much you going to charge me to make me one of those lol..
Hey Brian, you don't need a Mill or Lathe, if you have a belt sander it will work, all you need to do is take off just enough metal so the block will align with the main body of the Receiver.
also you would need a 16x1mm Tap and a tap to fit the screw you would use for the regulator valve depressor, I used a 4x20mm screw but a 6/32 screw and tap would work just as well.
the problem is having to have your gun to align the block, I'm sure they don't do every gun exactly the same, were talking china here, so small variants could make a huge difference in the alignment.
besides, I don't want the Liability, doing it for myself is one thing, but for others is another, especially dealing with a high pressure part. Got it... ;)
good luck
Kevin
Gotcha may have to pick one up and play around with it.
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LOL looks like I need a Notos, a drop block, and a bottle with a reg ??? or my head examined ')
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Thanks Richard, just Backyard Engineering at it's finest.... ;) ;D ;D ;D
Hey Brian, the drop blocks are cheap enough, even if you mess up it's not a major loss, just sand a little at a time and test fit.... ;)
Hey James, you might just need one of each..... ;D
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I followed Kevin's lead and bought the drop block and stripped it down, turned off .005" so it would clock properly then tapped the block for the Notos male fitting.
Not very hard to do and if you are willing to sign a "Hold Harmless" affidavit and send me the parts I need, I'd turn the block and tap it.
I have 4 Carm magazines, 48 shots total, I reloaded them 4 times and still had 2300psi down from 4250psi filled.
"Why the heck did you do this?!?" Cuz I love to tinker, it was WAY cool and now its an all-day-shooter instead of a 2 mag shooter.
My CF .43L bottle weighs 12oz, the steel tank on the Notos weighed 10oz, my reg and dropblock increased my overall weight by 8oz.
The AEA Carbine is now for sale, no need for both and since the Notos groups 1/2 the group size, its a no-brainer!
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UGH! It wont post correctly!
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Hey David, Looks Awesome, that's 192 shots and still plenty more air, I'm sure the smaller bottle works just fine, you did a great job turning the block, I'm sure you will get lots of PM's for turning services, and the picture when clicked on posts normally
Looking good man, have fun with it, yours is #2... 8)
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Kevin,
I am thrilled that you shared the drop-block, the Notos has replaced 4 of my airguns with the larger air tank. ;D
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Kevin,
I am thrilled that you shared the drop-block, the Notos has replaced 4 of my airguns with the larger air tank. ;D
That's awesome, Glad you Like it.
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as mentioned above, with a 1800psi regulator, I am getting 730fps, it is possible to increase the plenum space in the drop block by drilling the pathway hole bigger or use a dremel and hog out some space, but be very careful not to take out too much and hamper structural integrity, drilling additional short holes will increase space for air, increasing the plenum capacity, this should increase air volume and give you more Fps, I am going to do some experimentation here in this next week, so please be patient, don't go doing anything until I get back with my results
and remember I hold no liability for what you do.... ;)
thanks
Kevin
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This looks like an awesome setup and something I want to attempt for my 2nd pcp rifle. I do not currently have the notos or drop block but I plan to purchase them soon and do this modification.
Would one of you that have done it please post pictures of the parts I'll need to tap? I believe I am capable of performing the job I'm just not sure what parts will need tapping and I'd like to get an idea before I have the parts in hand.
Thank you
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I did this just now it's just a quick reference picture of the block
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Turn this end down to clock properly on the gun.
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it is possible to drill into the inside of the block to make more air space for the plenum, just make sure not to take out too much for structural integrity, drill additional channels, they don't have to go anywhere, they just need to make more space...... it Should increase the amount of air like a power plenum, this should increase power.
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it is possible to drill into the inside of the block to make more air space for the plenum, just make sure not to take out too much for structural integrity, drill additional channels, they don't have to go anywhere, they just need to make more space...... it Should increase the amount of air like a power plenum, this should increase power.
Nope, just get a m18*1.5 male to m18*1.5 female adapter.
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it is possible to drill into the inside of the block to make more air space for the plenum, just make sure not to take out too much for structural integrity, drill additional channels, they don't have to go anywhere, they just need to make more space...... it Should increase the amount of air like a power plenum, this should increase power.
Nope, just get a m18*1.5 male to m18*1.5 female adapter.
that would work too. ;)
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I did this just now it's just a quick reference picture of the block
Perfect, thank you
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Your Welcome, any time.... ;) :D
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Nice pioneering Kevin! This site is amazing! :D
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Nice pioneering Kevin! This site is amazing! :D
Thanks, lots of good stuff here on GTA
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:o This could lead to the extinction of the Prod ???
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Sweet looking rigs Kevin and David. Looks like a nice little pesting rig with a lot of shots. Or a nice round at the paper as well.
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:o This could lead to the extinction of the Prod ???
Crosman's sending out their assassins to TX :-*
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:o This could lead to the extinction of the Prod ???
Crosman's sending out their assassins to TX :-*
;D ;D ;D :o
maybe it will get them to upgrade, make something new instead of trying to ride out the old stuff too long, Marauder is due for at least a side lever..... ;)
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+1 and make them so they work on the gen 2 as well.
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Been thinking about purchasing a NOTOS for awhile now. Just received the buttstock adapter for my PP750 and waiting on the reg gage block. Then I can see what we can get out of this little carbine. Still may need a NOTOS and convert to bottle as have been done. Have a KRAL NP03 that is currently being converted to a bottle gun.
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Crazy nice upgrades to an already very nice air rifle!!!! Awesome work, Kevin!
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Thanks, just backyard engineering at it's finest ;)
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I've got 5 conversions under my belt and have had luck with the last 2 clocking without the need to face the drop block on the lathe.
If you are interested in a conversion, PM me please.
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I've got 5 conversions under my belt and have had luck with the last 2 clocking without the need to face the drop block on the lathe.
If you are interested in a conversion, PM me please.
All Right, good job, they're not Tapped exactly the same from the factory, so some will line up and some won't, but in any case you are performing a great service for those who want the conversion.
Thanks
Kevin
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Great work you two. It's really nice of you to offer that service David.
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Plenum?? https://www.garlaven.com/products/o2-sensor-spacer-extender-adapter-35s7?variant=012c3373-a89e-4705-ab6b-3eacf8e56307&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4MyUxJHv_wIVrCfUAR3UkwZCEAQYAiABEgJMAPD_BwE (https://www.garlaven.com/products/o2-sensor-spacer-extender-adapter-35s7?variant=012c3373-a89e-4705-ab6b-3eacf8e56307&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4MyUxJHv_wIVrCfUAR3UkwZCEAQYAiABEgJMAPD_BwE)
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Plenum?? https://www.garlaven.com/products/o2-sensor-spacer-extender-adapter-35s7?variant=012c3373-a89e-4705-ab6b-3eacf8e56307&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4MyUxJHv_wIVrCfUAR3UkwZCEAQYAiABEgJMAPD_BwE (https://www.garlaven.com/products/o2-sensor-spacer-extender-adapter-35s7?variant=012c3373-a89e-4705-ab6b-3eacf8e56307&gad=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4MyUxJHv_wIVrCfUAR3UkwZCEAQYAiABEgJMAPD_BwE)
Unsure of the metals used, would not trust unless burst tested, I see they come with 10 mm longer version also. https://www.garlaven.com/products/m18-x-1-5-o2-oxygen-sensor-expander-55mm-blue-zinc-bung-extension-connector? (https://www.garlaven.com/products/m18-x-1-5-o2-oxygen-sensor-expander-55mm-blue-zinc-bung-extension-connector?)
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I was thinking the same thing of burst pressure plus they do not look like they are threaded long enough to go into a bottle.
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Something someone with a lathe could turn out with a known metal and specs.
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The drop blocks are back in stock at Amazon, turnaround time has been 2 days for the conversion.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
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The drop blocks are back in stock at Amazon, turnaround time has been 2 days for the conversion.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
I’ve got a saber tactical impact double bottle adapter what ya think the chance of making it work are? Couple 13ci bottles maybe?
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The drop blocks are back in stock at Amazon, turnaround time has been 2 days for the conversion.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
I’ve got a saber tactical impact double bottle adapter what ya think the chance of making it work are? Couple 13ci bottles maybe?
What's the threads?
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The drop blocks are back in stock at Amazon, turnaround time has been 2 days for the conversion.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
I’ve got a saber tactical impact double bottle adapter what ya think the chance of making it work are? Couple 13ci bottles maybe?
Lol no idea. Can’t remember where my metric thread gauge is hmmmm
What's the threads?
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The drop blocks are back in stock at Amazon, turnaround time has been 2 days for the conversion.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
I’ve got a saber tactical impact double bottle adapter what ya think the chance of making it work are? Couple 13ci bottles maybe?
Lol no idea. Can’t remember where my metric thread gauge is hmmmm
What's the threads?
Just a couple of thoughts:
The M16X1mm threaded air block on the gun is holding the air tank etc and is not particularly heavy duty so I would not hang anything more than the block/regulator/bottle.
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The drop blocks are back in stock at Amazon, turnaround time has been 2 days for the conversion.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BLHFKY4R?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details)
I’ve got a saber tactical impact double bottle adapter what ya think the chance of making it work are? Couple 13ci bottles maybe?
Lol no idea. Can’t remember where my metric thread gauge is hmmmm
What's the threads?
Just a couple of thoughts:
The M16X1mm threaded air block on the gun is holding the air tank etc and is not particularly heavy duty so I would not hang anything more than the block/regulator/bottle.
ok i'll scrape that idea lol!
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Would a custom bottle/barrel shroud band work to help support the weight?
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Would a custom bottle/barrel shroud band work to help support the weight?
You will notice that the barrel is very thin and that the shroud is not attached with threads but rather, it simply friction fits onto a spacer and is slipped into a plastic support with just one grub screw holding the assembly to the breech.
This gun has very little holding it together and we are asking a lot of it with adding a big air tank as well as an external regulator.
My fear is that the POI will move a lot as the gun temperature and fill pressure changes.
My thoughts are that if a long support that spans the length of the flat of the air bottle is used to hold the shroud and bottle completely still, the POI will change little and then the two components will act as one and create an exponentially stiffer assembly.
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Does anyone have a link to buy the bottle and reg for this amazing mod?
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Does anyone have a link to buy the bottle and reg for this amazing mod?
you have your choice of bottle sizes and regulator pressures, I used a 500cc bottle and a 1800psi regulator from Amazon, I think a 350cc would be a perfect fit and still give plenty of shots, regulator psi you can go from 1800 to 2200 psi without problems with valve lock,
It's up to you.... or you can go to Ebay
here's some from Amazon, remember to get a regulator that fits the bottle threads M18x1.5 is most popular
https://a.co/d/6LFMqif
https://a.co/d/bUbfieT
https://a.co/d/04eQoXi
https://a.co/d/gzC5l1c
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Those are good for M18x1.5 selections.
Paintball sourced cylinders are typically 5/8''-18UNF Threads, not compatible with M18 x 1.5.
Hajimoto is a GTA sponsor and has excellent gear, like Ninja HPA regulators with shims for making specific pressure adjustments. Adjustable Ninja reg is awesome for fine tuning with great consistancy.
https://hajimotoproductions.com/index.php/product-category/parts/regulators-tanks/ (https://hajimotoproductions.com/index.php/product-category/parts/regulators-tanks/)
ANSgear has very compact CF bottles in 5/8 with smaller volumes and diameters to keep it compact under $100 https://ansgear.com/tanks-tank-acc/compressed-air-hpa/first-strike-fs-paintball-tanks/ (https://ansgear.com/tanks-tank-acc/compressed-air-hpa/first-strike-fs-paintball-tanks/)
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I have the 5/8''-18UNF regulators in stock as well as the M18*1.5.
I got you covered if you want to do a bottle conversion BYOB!
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Thought I would give my update, bottled and slightly detuned 720 fps 18 gr pellets, or 625 with 21 gr H&N slugs, but still deadly out to 50 yards on squirrels, and chipmunks and the like.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-270124084923.jpeg)
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Thought I would give my update, bottled and slightly detuned 720 fps 18 gr pellets, or 625 with 21 gr H&N slugs, but still deadly out to 50 yards on squirrels, and chipmunks and the like.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/gallery/17377-270124084923.jpeg)
Cool James, those are gonna get lots of the critters "on one fill"..... ;D ;D ;D
Now I'm on to the next project, I'm gonna put a bottle on my Avenger .25, it should be an easy one. ;)
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I have the 5/8''-18UNF regulators in stock as well as the M18*1.5.
I got you covered if you want to do a bottle conversion BYOB!
I want to DM with you about turning my .303 Challenger into a bottled 2200-2800PSI regulated, bottled AG.
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I have the 5/8''-18UNF regulators in stock as well as the M18*1.5.
I got you covered if you want to do a bottle conversion BYOB!
I want to DM with you about turning my .303 Challenger into a bottled 2200-2800PSI regulated, bottled AG.
Id have to look into it.