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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: 45flint on April 15, 2023, 08:39:18 PM
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I always have my eye open for military trainers but usually they go for real premiums given it attracts military collectors as well I guess. This one I was pleased at the price and definitely when I got it. It is as new. It still had cosmoline or something like that I had to clean off some parts, and adhesive tape residue around the two part stock that looked like part of the original packing? Acetone got that all off and it looks like it came off the factory floor. Not a mark on it. This is marked “tgf”which I read were rifles sent to the East Germany military circa 1947-9?. Very cool to me is it has the Cech military acceptance mark. I am assuming that the East Germans never used these and I believe they were imported after the fall of the wall? But don’t know the details? It shooting 455 fps with 7.7 round ball which is what it should be.
Here are pics:
https://imgur.com/a/4Swxk3K
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I always have my eye open for military trainers but usually they go for real premiums given it attracts military collectors as well I guess. This one I was pleased at the price and definitely when I got it. It is as new. It still had cosmoline or something like that I had to clean off some parts, and adhesive tape residue around the two part stock that looked like part of the original packing? Acetone got that all off and it looks like it came off the factory floor. Not a mark on it. This is marked “tgf”which I read were rifles sent to the East Germany military circa 1947-9?. Very cool to me is it has the Cech military acceptance mark. I am assuming that the East Germans never used these and I believe they were imported after the fall of the wall? But don’t know the details? It shooting 455 fps with 7.7 round ball which is what it should be.
Here are pics:
https://imgur.com/a/4Swxk3K
Is it a springer? How does it cock? I don't see any obvious levers and it doesn't look like a break barrel.
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I always have my eye open for military trainers but usually they go for real premiums given it attracts military collectors as well I guess. This one I was pleased at the price and definitely when I got it. It is as new. It still had cosmoline or something like that I had to clean off some parts, and adhesive tape residue around the two part stock that looked like part of the original packing? Acetone got that all off and it looks like it came off the factory floor. Not a mark on it. This is marked “tgf”which I read were rifles sent to the East Germany military circa 1947-9?. Very cool to me is it has the Cech military acceptance mark. I am assuming that the East Germans never used these and I believe they were imported after the fall of the wall? But don’t know the details? It shooting 455 fps with 7.7 round ball which is what it should be.
Here are pics:
https://imgur.com/a/4Swxk3K
Is it a springer? How does it cock? I don't see any obvious levers and it doesn't look like a break barrel.
Here is a good Utube on the rifle. Only thing he misses is that H&N made a 4.45 round ball which works perfectly and they are very well made.
https://youtu.be/0Px4YHTbvMk
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Wow that's, NOS!
This is likely the most desirable military trainer ever and it was never even approved by the military. BSA Military Pattern from 1912. Only 420 made and how many remain? I'd probably consider letting it go for 4k. Cocks and loads like any BSA prewar (except the 1930's breakdown pattern). The bolt is a dummy. Has a standard Enfield buttstock. The bolt might be same as Enfield, not sure off hand. Replicates the Long Lee Enfields. Built just as well in the same plant.The BSA collector holy grail.
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Wow that's, NOS!
This is likely the most desirable military trainer ever and it was never even approved by the military. BSA Military Pattern from 1912. Only 420 made and how many remain? I'd probably consider letting it go for 4k. Cocks and loads like any BSA prewar (except the 1930's breakdown pattern). The bolt is a dummy. Has a standard Enfield buttstock. The bolt might be same as Enfield, not sure off hand. Replicates the Long Lee Enfields. Built just as well in the same plant.The BSA collector holy grail.
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Talk about non-obtainable! 420 vs 60,000 for the VZ47. I still think the 47 functions a bit more like the real rifle with a bolt that actually cycles and it is a repeater. But I think for target shooting the BSA would be the ticket for sure. Most people looking at the 47 would assume it’s a real military rifle. The cost of the 47 was about 10% of the military BSA, hard enough finding a 47?
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WOW Steve!
I mean ... WOW!
If anyone other than you told me this was an airgun I would have called "Balderdash".
(https://i.imgur.com/6peJaCC.jpeg)
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WOW Steve!
I mean ... WOW!
If anyone other than you told me this was an airgun I would have called "Balderdash".
(https://i.imgur.com/6peJaCC.jpeg)
Will be bringing it to Findlay. The most amazing part it is over 70 years old and looks like it was made yesterday. Its almost eerie?
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Been playing with my CV VZ-47 now and it is actually a very accurate rifle. The video above did an excellent job with introducing the rifle and its workings. But when it came to shooting he admitted he was limited by the pellets he had available. I had previously spent a lot of time sourcing pellets for my CV VZ-35, the earlier model. The VZ-47 as he states in the video is 4.46 caliber needing round lead balls. He like most could only find 4.40 round balls which are used by other German rifles. I sourced H&N 4.45 round balls that are very well made and consistent, as are all H&N products. These load consistently and fill to the rifling. See below.
(https://i.imgur.com/Ceh3PBZ.jpg)
With these pellets you can shoot very well. You are still limited by military sights and military trigger. But as said it’s a military trainer not a target rifle. These is probably the closest a spring air rifle will every get to the feel of a battle rifle.
Here is my 3 shot group in my basement range. Covered by a dime. Lastly H&N no longer produces these pellets. Luckily I could source 10 tins 500 so that should last me for a while!!
(https://i.imgur.com/9ujNtqE.jpg)
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Every military trainer needs a military sling?
(https://i.imgur.com/o8e4TdO.jpg)
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Did someone say military trainer air rifles?
My last acquisition, and maybe my last acquisition...who knows!
Mars 115, no maker name, so probably after the pre-WW" Venus Waffenwerk version and before the post-WW2 August Bebel Werk one.
Based on the Mauser Kar98-k, of course.
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Did someone say military trainer air rifles?
My last acquisition, and maybe my last acquisition...who knows!
Mars 115, no maker name, so probably after the pre-WW" Venus Waffenwerk version and before the post-WW2 August Bebel Werk one.
Based on the Mauser Kar98-k, of course.
Been looking for one of those but everyone I seen over here is just crazily priced. I have an extensive collection of airguns from the manufacturers of Zella Mehlis. Saw one unmarked over here.
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I wonder how they proof tested it.
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Did someone say military trainer air rifles?
My last acquisition, and maybe my last acquisition...who knows!
Mars 115, no maker name, so probably after the pre-WW" Venus Waffenwerk version and before the post-WW2 August Bebel Werk one.
Based on the Mauser Kar98-k, of course.
Another one that is, to me, indistinguishable from a firearm!
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I wonder how they proof tested it.
Proof mark is separate from acceptance. Test with double pellet load!!
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I think the only other air rifle with military acceptance marks, the Hakim of the 1950’s. Germany quality, extremely accurate.
(https://i.imgur.com/qU7RiDX.jpeg)
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Been looking for one of those but everyone I seen over here is just crazily priced. I have an extensive collection of airguns from the manufacturers of Zella Mehlis. Saw one unmarked over here.
Yes, they are very much sought after. There are 2 (1x Venus, 1x August Bebel) for auction right now on egun.de and I'm interested to see what they fetch. An acquaintance in Germany just sold one in excellent condition for €1'100, and the last 2 I've seen before that went for 900 and 1'000. Mine was complete but in poor shape, and it was advertised for a few months before I decided to go for it and haggle on the price. In the end I paid well below what it's worth after I restored it.
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Been looking for one of those but everyone I seen over here is just crazily priced. I have an extensive collection of airguns from the manufacturers of Zella Mehlis. Saw one unmarked over here.
Yes, they are very much sought after. There are 2 (1x Venus, 1x August Bebel) for auction right now on egun.de and I'm interested to see what they fetch. An acquaintance in Germany just sold one in excellent condition for €1'100, and the last 2 I've seen before that went for 900 and 1'000. Mine was complete but in poor shape, and it was advertised for a few months before I decided to go for it and haggle on the price. In the end I paid well below what it's worth after I restored it.
It seems the prices of most vintage German airguns command a much higher premium over there? They would probably look at our prices as bargains.
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There is a very rare mechanism that replaces the bolt of a Swiss K-31 that converts it to shoot BB's and maybe pellets, not sure.
It has a straw barrel that lines the 7.5mm bore of the rifle.
The ultimate training air rifle...
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There is a very rare mechanism that replaces the bolt of a Swiss K-31 that converts it to shoot BB's and maybe pellets, not sure.
It has a straw barrel that lines the 7.5mm bore of the rifle.
The ultimate training air rifle...
https://youtu.be/nc0miOdd03Y
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Yup. that's the critter.........
I got half of that setup..........
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Yup. that's the critter.........
I got half of that setup..........
The other half is the most expensive! Lol