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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: 45flint on April 14, 2023, 09:31:10 AM
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Yes a title to get you pumpers up in arms. Lol. But as I collect vintage pistols I find it hard to see much advantage of the pump pistol which I know many of you love. Pumping a pistol puts you immediately at a disadvantage over a rifle. The leverage of a small handle just isn’t there. CO2 is vintage and CO2 capsules are so cheap now it adds about 1 cent per shot on one of my favorite .177 pistols. Power really isn’t an advantage either? I think all you got is nostalgia but you can get that with vintage CO2 as well? All my vintage pistols are spring or CO2 except one and thinking of putting that for sale on my table at Findlay.
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I prefer co2, but that's just me. It's a nostalgia thing. Takes me back to the Crosman 180 that was my first airgun...
Sell that pistol if it doesn't suit you.
Cheers,
J~
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What do I do when it's too cold for co2 ?
Pump pistols again have the advantage of variable power, which in this case means the ability for ultra quiet low power indoor shooting which I don't get with co2.
There aren't too many times where I feel like shooting a loud co2 pistol indoors either.
I think I probably like both equally when it comes to pistols, but there are pros and cons to both.
You just have to be a true pumper fan to see them.
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If we use this Vintage Air Gun Gate - pre-1993 ONLY! as the definition of vintage then “NO”. Show me a “pistol” that has been more popular or survived the test of time better than Crosman’s 13xx.
Just looking at stats there may not seem to be a power advantage. With a pump pistol you don’t always need to pump to the max whether 8 or 10 times. I rarely pump that much to plink but if I want power I can get there. Don’t have that flexibility with CO2.
Yes CO2 does excel when it comes to PPM (pellets per minute) but I’ll still be shooting while you run to Walmart to grab more capsules. And $.01 per shot may not be much in the grand scheme of things but last I checked - air was still FREE.
Just my $.02
FWIW - That said. I m NOT getting rid of my 1rst vairiant 150.
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Don’t disagree on the more options with variable power, but there are variable power CO2s as well. But tends to be HI or Low
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I've absolutely been having a blast shooting my Crosman 600, wish that I'd bought one a long time ago. 8)
https://vimeo.com/817661733
these guns were definitely ahead of their time for sure!
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I'm not a pistol enthusiast but I do own several. Mostly gassers but I also have a 1377. My pistols rarely get used. I don't think I've shot the 1377 in the last two years. I've been thinking about giving a couple of the gassers away. But I'll keep the 1377. I like to carry it in my pirogue while fishing and sometimes it ends up in the bilge. I don't think the gassers would like that kind of treatment. It also goes in with the camping gear. The 1377 is preferred for frogging. My Crosman 357 and 2240 both spit out a cloud of co2 that obscures the target when you are hunting frogs at night. It's not a problem in the daytime but when you are using a head lamp at night it is a pain to lose sight of the target just after you shoot. I also use the 1377 to blast Tomato horn worms, carpenter bees, and other garden pests, at about 4 pumps. So the 1377 is considerably more durable and versatile than than my gasser pistols.
I'd say the 1377 is like the Boeing B 52. It's not obsolete but it is obsolescent and it will continue to be until they come up with a replacement. And since there is no replacement for a 1377 that won't be anytime soon.
BTW the Airforce has just designated repowered B52's with Rolls Royce turbofans as B52 J and intends to keep them in service for at least twenty more years. ;D
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No!
My best shooting CO2 gun can only hang with the pumpers for the first several shots as far as being able to reach out to the eighty foot targets. That gun can't hang with the accuracy of the pumpers at all.
For me, CO2 guns are fun powder burner look alikes, that will fit in your powder burners holsters.
Many times my Sheridan has filled the kettle with squirels. If I depended on a CO2 gun, I'd likely have to switch to lizards and frogs.
Lol
At least my CO2 guns.
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Lol, I can see both sides of the argument. Pumpers have the advantage in extremely cold Temps and when needing lower power...Sam having a good argument about the night time thing as well. C02 has thier place as well and are usually my favorite but I do have a couple 13xx. A c02 that can hang with a 13xx someone said? Easy peasy, the 22xx lol they have been battling in sales for years. Just like this thread, they will be for years too, there is no clear winner it's all up to what the shooters prefer!
P.s. in case your wondering the mk1 is my favorite lol
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To throw another twist in...
If Benjamin had went with the the 12g cart instead of the 8g back in the early days, when competing with Crosman.
It may have changed the outcome way back then.
Personally, I use both.. MSP and CO2 vintage pistols today
I cant fathom how the old "Bulk Fill" Crosmans were so popular back then... with having to send a tank away to get it refilled.
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I began collecting when I could go the a flea market on Sunday morning and find a old Crosman or Benjamin for $5 or $10. The CO2 guns almost all leaked or lost pressure immediately. The pumpers mostly worked fine, so I became a pumper shooter. I prefer neither type of pistol. You can shoot quickly with CO2, but you not only shoot the pumper, you supply the energy for the shot.
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There's something to be said for self-contained pump-up airguns, without needing to buy gas too. When I was growing up in the late '70s, CO2-powered airguns were banned in the UK and the only alternative I had to not-very-powerful spring pistols was my Crosman 1300, which I loved.
I couldn't have afforded to buy capsules anyway back then - it was all I could do to pay for pellets!
BTW, CO2 guns were legalised in 1997 in the UK, when powder pistols were completely outlawed following a school shooting in which several small children died.
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Bingo! There’s some bit of nostalgia involved, this is the vintage forum after all. Myself, I had pumpers, only the rich kids could afford co2. And once the co2 runs out, you have to throw the pistol at your target. Pumpers keep on giving without having to go to the store. Not speaking to merits of 1 v the other. But pumpers are forever. Co2 is until you run out of gas.
That said, now that I can afford co2, they’re pretty handy, especially the Crosman 600. Way more fun than pumping. That’s it. Co2 are fun, pumpers are work but dependable.
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To a high-school kid with only a buck a week allowance and some yard-mowing money, the cost of CO2 cartridges was a big deal.
Plus being naturally a little obsessive about such things, I just prefer the concept of a self-contained powerplant; the idea of a separate "life support system" being required has never appealed.
I do appreciate the advantages of CO2 and won't be getting rid of my Crosman 150 or Hammerli Master any time soon, but still prefer other ways to go about moving pellets around.
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I do like my Crosman 130 but the main reason I bought it was because when I was a kid I got a hand me down from my older and it was a 130. It's a very accurate
gun but no where near the power of my 150's on high power. I too couldn't afford co2's when I was a kid the only thing I could afford were the pellets. That 130
brings back a lot of memories in my younger years.
(https://i.imgur.com/v6BdVF1.png)
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As a relative newcomer to airguns I prefer CO2 to MSP or springers, but I'm an adult now with real income. If I were ten years old I might feel different. I have been keeping an eye on Ebay for vintage a Crosman 150 or a 600.
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Dj I thought you had both the 600 and 150 already ??? I have one on my watch list right now, there's another 4 days before the bids are up. https://www.ebay.com/itm/394564682034 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/394564682034)
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Had a 1377 way back then I realized I don't like pumping. Got a few single stroke pistols, 2 P17's, XSP120D and a Steoger XP4. Got a bunch of co2 replicas. Long guns I'm a springer guy. A few co2 rifles.
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First I was only referring to pistols when you get to rifles pumpers definitely have their place. Also CO2 capsules are really cheap compared to your youth. I did the math and it comes down to 1-2 cents a shot.
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Dj I thought you had both the 600 and 150 already ??? I have one on my watch list right now, there's another 4 days before the bids are up. https://www.ebay.com/itm/394564682034 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/394564682034)
I wish! I keep looking, but the prices are going wild. Sometimes I think of just settling with a 2240 or Webley Nemesis. I think C600 prices have just gone so high I won't be getting one until they come down, if ever.
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Dj I thought you had both the 600 and 150 already ??? I have one on my watch list right now, there's another 4 days before the bids are up. https://www.ebay.com/itm/394564682034 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/394564682034)
I wish! I keep looking, but the prices are going wild. Sometimes I think of just settling with a 2240 or Webley Nemesis. I think C600 prices have just gone so high I won't be getting one until they come down, if ever.
I won mine on ebay with a high bid of $192 + $14 shipping + tax which isn't cheap but it's much better than some of the insane prices for them, that one I have on the watchlist would probably be worth it for less than $200 by todays standards but I personally wouldn't go any higher than that.
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As a kid in the late 70s/ early 80s who relied on a meager allowance to fund his shooting, I never even considered buying or asking for a CO2 pistol! A milk carton full of BBs was cheap and kept my Crosman 766 and 1377 shooting for months. Every once in a while I'd invest in a pack of pellets, but they were pricey compared to BBs.
As an adult with disposable income, I'm now buying, resealing, and shooting all those CO2 pistols I couldn't afford to consider back in the day!
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I've bought a lot of co2 pistols since I retired, they're a lot of fun for indoor and outdoor shooting.
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STILL WANT!
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Isn’t the Crosman ‘22’ /112 in 22 cal? Anyway, I can help you out if you don’t need the box, pellets, paperwork or co2 canister. Or condition.
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Scott I have the 116 but I need to get a fill adapter. Baker airguns had them but they've been out of them for a while now. If I knew all the fittings I needed I'd put one together
but there's not any info I can find about putting together your own. I'm sure it can be done though ???
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'Pretty sure a standard 1/8 foster fill nipple would screw in the end cap just like my 114 rifle.
Jon.... That's interesting, I didn't notice the 177 pellets in that pic I found until you mentioned it.
but yes, it should be .22.
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Scott that 114 looks like it's got the same safety as my 180(JC Higgins) 8)
(https://i.imgur.com/sAyrAMX.png)
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Scott that 114 looks like it's got the same safety as my 180(JC Higgins) 8)
Yep... an "Old Dog" for sure.