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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: PasadenaMike on March 25, 2023, 12:39:58 PM
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I have noticed that I don’t care much about my multi pumps, break barrel and co2 guns since PCPs have ruled my world. Nothing offers the power, convenience, accuracy and fun my PCPs deliver. I have very limited time to shoot and play with guns so when I do I don’t mess with anything but my PCPs. How about you guys ?
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When I finally got on the PCP band wagon, that was my primary focus. I now find myself returning to my MSPs.
Gotta love the classics.
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Ummmmm...no
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Same, I jumped into pcp pretty hard because your right, when they are set up right the other power plants are not as good across the board as a pcp.
Wait a second on the hate comments guys lol, I could be wrong there, but I don't think I am, but I'm not aware of a springer, multi pump or co2 gun that can match the effectiveness of a pcp, especially that you can buy new off the shelf currently. Sure some can get close, but what about that lightning fast follow up shot? What about when you need power at distance?
But, after a while it gets boring to me. What about the nostalgia of the old pumps? It's relaxing to pump 4 times and plink the next can or spinner, you don't need 50fpe to do it either. What about the challenge of getting a springer to where you can consistently hit targets? Also, it's nice to be able to swap a c02 every so often and shoot all day with out hand pumps, bottles or compressors.
I guess bottom line for me, some times I only have a few minutes and it's great to be able to grab a rifle, walk out the door with a tin of pellets and have everything you need.
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I got into PCPs looking for something to deal with potential predators (I've got a decent sized flock of laying hens) that would also be inexpensive to shoot with easily accessible ammo. The first PCP was a 25 cal Eagle Claw capable of 75 FPE making it a nice rimfire analog. It was so fun to shoot that I practically ran down the rabbit hole and have a pcp in 177, 22, 25, and 45 now. The 177 is the small game hunter shooting 10.03 grain slugs, the 22 is my plinker shooting CPHP or whatever is cheap and accurate, the 'Claw as already mentioned, and the 45 is for hunting medium to large game within 75 yards with slugs I cast myself. All are very affordable to shoot and so far I've avoided purchasing a PB, but I am tempted to get one. For the novelty I did buy a Ruger airhawk tuned by Mike M. and a Daisy 901 pumper, but they are rarely shot. Even the more powerful PCPs don't come out very often, I mostly shoot the 177 and the 22.
I would like to get a couple of CO2 guns, but mostly for the novelty. A c600 is always on my radar and I plan on jumping on one when the time is right. Worst case scenario it appreciates in value. For a new CO2 the Chaser is always in and out of my shopping carts, but it's just so bulky compared a 22lr or other target pistol. A modern version of the c600 in 22 and 177 would be amazing, because nearly every other CO2 semi-auto pistol is a replica.
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Im 75 with all the health related chit that comes with it…having said that …I spent the other morning shooting my multi pumps…even at 4-6 pumps was tuckered out …same goes for hand pumping my 3 PCP….for backyard plinking I think i will pick my C02’s….good luck
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Will never shoot another break barrel now I went down the pcp rabbit hole.
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same here.
i had a few co2 and sold them.
and in reality,
i have discovered,
myself,if its not pcp and regulated......not interested lol
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same here.
i had a few co2 and sold them.
and in reality,
i have discovered,
myself,if its not pcp and regulated......not interested lol
Yes I’m with you. They are so impressive. I just picked up a used Vulcan 3 in 30 cal. Holy smokes on that gun. I’m having someone detune it as it arrived to me shooting a 62 gr avs slug at 980 fps. I was like holy sh—-. That’s way more than I need for my yard. It’s a power house.
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I have noticed that I don’t care much about my multi pumps, break barrel and co2 guns since PCPs have ruled my world. Nothing offers the power, convenience, accuracy and fun my PCPs deliver. I have very limited time to shoot and play with guns so when I do I don’t mess with anything but my PCPs. How about you guys ?
Same here, I own 3 springers and 1 pumper. Only the PCPs come out to play, I simply prefer using them.
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I have very limited time to shoot and play with guns so when I do I don’t mess with anything but my PCPs.
HECK NO!
What could be easier that a Springer?
Smack it open, load a pellet, close it, and shoot.
Period...Dot...It.
No Pumping, no compressor, no whips or foster fittings to worry about.
Ever want to shoot and realize you are low on charge and need to refill?
Or a long shooting session and have to stop and refill to keep shooting?
A Springer is ready whenever you are.
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Can't use break barrels any longer, cant pump the pumpers anymore, CO2 just dont work up here in the North Country, PCP's are the only game in town for me now.
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Yes. Only one springer left and it my wife's. I gifted all the others I had. Beginning to lean towards the big bores too for some reason lol.
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Pretty safe to say break barrels are an endangered species? Probably not but the popularity seems to be dwindling
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Only shooting one type of airgun is like only eating one flavor of ice cream. The only type I don't shoot with some regularity is MSP. It's like rum raisin; I get that other people like it, but it's not for me. In fact I'll probably be listing my 392 in the classifieds soon.
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Pretty safe to say break barrels are an endangered species? Probably not but the popularity seems to be dwindling
I wouldn't say they are an endangered species, I believe most of us still have one or two (and a multi-pump or two) in their stables for those times when air/compressor/pump are not readily available, at least I do. Yes, PCPs are more convenient to choot, especially the repeaters followed by the CO2 ones but an ounce of prevention... for those SHTF days. Being that I haven't bought a compressor yet and leisure time is not available now, I relegate my few chooting minutes to a plain ol' CO2, mostly the Peacemakers.
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Only shooting one type of airgun is like only eating one flavor of ice cream. The only type I don't shoot with some regularity is MSP. It's like rum raisin; I get that other people like it, but it's not for me. In fact I'll probably be listing my 392 in the classifieds soon.
I'll keep an eye out for it ;D
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That’s what I love about the community. We’re all sending lead just in different ways :)
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I actually kept 1 springer…a webley spector .177…really easy shooter and accurate @ a 30 yard tin can…sold my 2 Hatsan…good luck
Dont get me wrong …I really like my PCP….but for a couple of hours of low physical energy shooting…I like the QB’s…
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I have several PCPs and they get the most mileage on them especially for hunting or pesting.
A few CO2s which I don't shoot outdoors much when the temps are below 70.
I love keeping my D34 177 and Summit Ranger in the rotation. I really enjoy shooting them. I don't shoot them much in sub freezing temps because I don't want to wear gloves.
MSPs are very meh for me. The only one I enjoy shooting is my Blue Streak.
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At one time I was into PCP guns and still have about 6, however without a close place to fill my scuba tank and no longer owning a compressor and can not hand pump over than about 1800 lbs I'd be more than happy to trade em all off for good break barrel and CO2 quality guns. Just getting to much trouble to now enjoy anything PCP. Getting older ain't all fun sometimes:) Charles
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Fat kids, skinny kids, kids that climb on rocks...
Tough kids, sissy kids, even kids with chicken pox...
No wait, that's hotdogs..
The point is, I like shooting them all. I go through moods and shoot each type for a few days then switch it up.
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Fat kids, skinny kids, kids that climb on rocks...
Tough kids, sissy kids, even kids with chicken pox...
No wait, that's hotdogs..
The point is, I like shooting them all. I go through moods and shoot each type for a few days then switch it up.
Yup. And many days a I'll shoot a few different types.
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Fat kids, skinny kids, kids that climb on rocks...
Tough kids, sissy kids, even kids with chicken pox...
No wait, that's hotdogs..
The point is, I like shooting them all. I go through moods and shoot each type for a few days then switch it up.
Yup. And many days a I'll shoot a few different types.
True that.... matter of fact, if you go into my shooting shed right now there are 3 different types on the bench.
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Mr pcp just shot his 880 in the back yard a bit :)
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I shoot em all. If it slings a projectile, I like it.
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I have several PCPs and they get the most mileage on them especially for hunting or pesting.
A few CO2s which I don't shoot outdoors much when the temps are below 70.
I love keeping my D34 177 and Summit Ranger in the rotation. I really enjoy shooting them. I don't shoot them much in sub freezing temps because I don't want to wear gloves.
MSPs are very meh for me. The only one I enjoy shooting is my Blue Streak.
Wanted to amend this as I left out my 880. Other than loading a pellet That one is a lot of fun too.
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I use them all - springers - multipumps - pcps - and powder burners. Depends on how much time I have and where I am at. PCPs and powder burners I save for out at the farm and I shoot the lighter springer’s and multi pumps when I’m in town. I even went so far as to set up a range in the house for a P17 and a CMP Daisy 853 for when the weathers bad and I want some trigger time.
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I shoot over levers, under levers and break barrel as well as PCP.My Hatsan #25 vortex is just as accurate as my Beeman 2027.
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Fat kids, skinny kids, kids that climb on rocks...
Tough kids, sissy kids, even kids with chicken pox...
No wait, that's hotdogs..
The point is, I like shooting them all. I go through moods and shoot each type for a few days then switch it up.
+1
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I shoot in accordance with MY mood, if I'm lazy..I shoot my pcps/hpas otherwise I'll shoot my springers and pumpers. Lazy days are far apart so I go for my pumpers and springers 👈🏽😜
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I've had my prod for over a year....favorite pcp gun. I bought a Diana Bandit to have a .177 PCP. after 8 months it seems the check valve is stuck, it will no longer take air. kinda bums me out on pcp now
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I have no use for nor interest in any sort of spring or gas spring break barrel "air" gun. I still use my 392 rifles and occasionally my old Crosman 140.
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No more break barrels, but I do find myself enjoying the lower power CO2 (XS60c) and PCP (Umarex Notos) guns more than the high power PCPs. I sold my AEA .30 cal and keeping my Airforce Escape, but have put the .22 barrel back in and detuned it for more shots and less noise. I guess at 71 years of age, I'm losing my need for speed... ;)
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I shoot em all, but gravitate to PCP, Pumpers CO2, but have been converting them to HPA, and them springers can sit at the ready , and I do shoot one at lest weekly or I forget how to hold em.
I do shoot springers more than big bores ;)
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Sort of. . . I own tons of PCP guns, a couple multi-pump crosmans (not unlike PCP guns) and one springer. I only shoot the PCPs and multi-pumps. The springer just sits there and gathers dust unfortunately.
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I also jumped in the pcp rabit hole in december of this year but still have my
weihrauch hw80 in 22 fac model and it is also a real joy to shoot.Dont have to
ever worry about air but the pcp is nice because of the minimal recoil its so much
better to maintain good pinpoint accuracy.Im useing a hill mk5 pro hand pump
and it works great for what i need to do.I may go to a 100 cu ft steel 3442 psi
tank and slow valve as i have heard way to many horror stories about the little
oil less and water les chinese electric pumps breaking down for me i can fill my
tank and i will have air for a whole year.I will put a slow din valve and micro boar
hose on as well
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Hmmm 🤔 I wonder how you convert a Beeman R7 to a pcp?
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I had a crosman BB/177pellet gun as a teenager and had fun shooting it but accuracy was poor. Then I deer and elk hunted for 45 years. I didn't know much about springers, nitro piston, etc. except that every one I tried has a terrible trigger and was loud. Once I found out about PCP's I bought a Marauder for the quiet, the awesome trigger, and the accuracy. I need to be able to "get away with it" on my property. The neighbors don't need to know and now I can discreetly dispatch that tree squirrel that drops a dozen almonds off my tree a day in September. The rest of the time I target practice and tune and pump and repeat. I'm still chasing the best shot string I can get out of my non regulated PCP.
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I've had my prod for over a year....favorite pcp gun. I bought a Diana Bandit to have a .177 PCP. after 8 months it seems the check valve is stuck, it will no longer take air. kinda bums me out on pcp now
This is actually a pretty easy fix. The "check valve" is just a screw and an oring. The gun should have come with a spare, but Wes at https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/ (https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/) can get you more if you need them.
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I still have my old 1377 Crosman and still enjoy shooting it from time to time.
I asl still have a springer that I have never really liked. I think it may have been what inspired me to finally move on to PCPs
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I have no use for nor interest in any sort of spring or gas spring break barrel "air" gun. I still use my 392 rifles and occasionally my old Crosman 140.
It must be a Louisiana thing: I started out in Louisiana in 1943. My first PCP came along in the late 40s - a Daisy BB Gun. Since then, I have owned a couple more BB guns and many pellet guns. I did buy one break-barrel rifle in 2012. That was the only one; and I quickly sold it. We didn't like each other! :o
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I shoot both a springer (TX200) and a PCP (S500). I shoot my TX200 primarily indoors in the Winter months (Nov-April in SE Wisconsin), and shoot the S500 in Field Target competition outdoors when it gets warmer. I find shooting my TX a few months out of the year makes me a better Field Target shooter with my S500.
With that said, I enjoy shooting my TX200 slightly more than shooting my S500. I guess I like the challenge.
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My main shooting is PCP only and owning PCP's only.
Recently I was missing a springer, for fun. So I have bought a springer again, a Hatsan Airtact in .25 cal. Great airgun for the money (just $100).
But... what I really rediscovered recently again, is the PUMPER ! PCP experience shooting, yet self contained. Very convenient. I don't always need or want the PCP power and then a pumper is a great alternative. I bought the 1377 and now fancy the 2289 'Drifter kit' as well. Set that one up with a steel breech, a nice scope and a DonnyFL LDC and that's going to be fun !
I used to be into CO2 airguns as well. The thing is... I hate buying CO2 cartridges. I always have the feeling the CO2 cartridges are more expensive than the airgun and pellets itself. And you can't even shoot them totally empty. Still eyeing over a Diana Chaser every now and then...
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My main shooting is PCP only and owning PCP's only.
Recently I was missing a springer, for fun. So I have bought a springer again, a Hatsan Airtact in .25 cal. Great airgun for the money (just $100).
But... what I really rediscovered recently again, is the PUMPER ! PCP experience shooting, yet self contained. Very convenient. I don't always need or want the PCP power and then a pumper is a great alternative. I bought the 1377 and now fancy the 2289 'Drifter kit' as well. Set that one up with a steel breech, a nice scope and a DonnyFL LDC and that's going to be fun !
I used to be into CO2 airguns as well. The thing is... I hate buying CO2 cartridges. I always have the feeling the CO2 cartridges are more expensive than the airgun and pellets itself. And you can't even shoot them totally empty. Still eyeing over a Diana Chaser every now and then...
I detuned my Chaser with a 2.5 or 3 mm thickness o ring against the valve and it shoots 425+- fps for 85 shots
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My main shooting is PCP only and owning PCP's only.
Recently I was missing a springer, for fun. So I have bought a springer again, a Hatsan Airtact in .25 cal. Great airgun for the money (just $100).
But... what I really rediscovered recently again, is the PUMPER ! PCP experience shooting, yet self contained. Very convenient. I don't always need or want the PCP power and then a pumper is a great alternative. I bought the 1377 and now fancy the 2289 'Drifter kit' as well. Set that one up with a steel breech, a nice scope and a DonnyFL LDC and that's going to be fun !
I used to be into CO2 airguns as well. The thing is... I hate buying CO2 cartridges. I always have the feeling the CO2 cartridges are more expensive than the airgun and pellets itself. And you can't even shoot them totally empty. Still eyeing over a Diana Chaser every now and then...
I detuned my Chaser with a 2.5 or 3 mm thickness o ring against the valve and it shoots 425+- fps for 85 shots
Oh wauw, that sounds like a very nice trade off !
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My main shooting is PCP only and owning PCP's only.
Recently I was missing a springer, for fun. So I have bought a springer again, a Hatsan Airtact in .25 cal. Great airgun for the money (just $100).
But... what I really rediscovered recently again, is the PUMPER ! PCP experience shooting, yet self contained. Very convenient. I don't always need or want the PCP power and then a pumper is a great alternative. I bought the 1377 and now fancy the 2289 'Drifter kit' as well. Set that one up with a steel breech, a nice scope and a DonnyFL LDC and that's going to be fun !
I used to be into CO2 airguns as well. The thing is... I hate buying CO2 cartridges. I always have the feeling the CO2 cartridges are more expensive than the airgun and pellets itself. And you can't even shoot them totally empty. Still eyeing over a Diana Chaser every now and then...
I detuned my Chaser with a 2.5 or 3 mm thickness o ring against the valve and it shoots 425+- fps for 85 shots
Oh wauw, that sounds like a very nice trade off !
Yes.Full power 520 +- fps got 40ish
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I have no use for nor interest in any sort of spring or gas spring break barrel "air" gun. I still use my 392 rifles and occasionally my old Crosman 140.
It must be a Louisiana thing: I started out in Louisiana in 1943. My first PCP came along in the late 40s - a Daisy BB Gun. Since then, I have owned a couple more BB guns and many pellet guns. I did buy one break-barrel rifle in 2012. That was the only one; and I quickly sold it. We didn't like each other! :o
I live in KS so it must be a Kansas thing too. In any case, I hate the XXXXX things. By the time they reach any useful to me power level the reverse recoil becomes obnoxious. And they are too heavy, too long and inaccurate. And at that I am sure a bunch of guys will throw up their .177 targets with rifles barely making enough power to sneeze at to prove my dislike wrong. And I would still have no use for them. I do not like them in Louisiana, I do not like them in Kansas, I do not like them with green eggs and ham, I do not like them at all anywhere at anytime for anything. Just saying ;).
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But James, I see West Monroe down there. What's up with that if you live in Kansas?
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Although I do not currently own any springers, I do like to keep my options open, and I see no benefit to limiting my options. An R7 or a TX200 or similar good shooting springer would be nice to have to shoot within their abilities when I don't feel like or have the time to drag out my air supply.
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Although I do not currently own any springers, I do like to keep my options open, and I see no benefit to limiting my options. An R7 or a TX200 or similar good shooting springer would be nice to have to shoot within their abilities when I don't feel like or have the time to drag out my air supply.
Yeah I’ve only kept my R7 as a break barrel I sold or gave away the rest.
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Our dogs eat the exact same portions of the exact same dog food twice a day.. I can't imagine living like that.... :o
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PCPs are just the most convenient gun choice once you have a reliable compressor and a 1.5+ liter bottle. Every time I shoot PBs I really want one, then I shoot my PCPs again and then I don't want one anymore. I haven't found a more fun recreational shooter than my PCPs. I understand the draw of springers and MSP, but if I want to sling a few hundred shots down range both options become tedious and unenjoyable. Range day back in the Army used to be an exhausting affair, but with the PCPs it's all effortless. The most work I do is walking back and forth to the target. My low power PCPs get so many shots per fill I can pretty much get bored of shooting or run out of time before my air runs out. My big bores are a bit more air hungry, but it's only five minutes to refill the bottle using the compressor and back to action. In the times before I had a compressor I did enjoy shooting PCPs, but a 22lr PB was looking very attractive. I shot my 901 and C362 more often than my Stormrider or Bandito. My Mike M. tuned Ruger is a good little gun, but I tire of the kick and dropping tiny pellets down the breech after a few dozen shots. Single loading the C362 isn't so bad, but the Daisy is a bit more tedious.
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But James, I see West Monroe down there. What's up with that if you live in Kansas?
I am from there and own property there. Have not lived there for 40 years. Been in other places, Arizona, Colorado, Texas, few other places and now Kansas, lol. And I did not like spring guns in any of them other states either :o.
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Brothers from other mothers!
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I don't like the cheek bruising jar of a break barrel. PCP's are not only more accurate but quieter - pleasant to use. Pumping, well that's another matter. Still prefer PCP's.
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I don't like the cheek bruising jar of a break barrel.
I have several springers... even game changing "Magnum's"... and have never experienced anything like that.
What gun are you referring to?
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No more break barrels, but I do find myself enjoying the lower power CO2 (XS60c) and PCP (Umarex Notos) guns more than the high power PCPs. I sold my AEA .30 cal and keeping my Airforce Escape, but have put the .22 barrel back in and detuned it for more shots and less noise. I guess at 71 years of age, I'm losing my need for speed... ;)
Steve, aint that an Airforce there in your avatar? ;)
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I don't like the cheek bruising jar of a break barrel. PCP's are not only more accurate but quieter - pleasant to use. Pumping, well that's another matter. Still prefer PCP's.
Me too. Same. HOSP at 50 yards, ease the back door open, slow, slow, they are wary. Bring the Marauder Super Light up, compensate a little for wind and 30 yard zero, ease the safety off and on the trigger so smooth, into a zen state, almost close my eyes, I see the bullet I see everything in that moment, the universe comes into focus, na, na, nah, naaaa, pfffftttt-oing. A cloud of feathers results :o. No jar, no slap in the face, no reverse recoil, in fact no recoil and scope still in once piece and happy bluebirds clapping their wings in joy. That is the perfection of the PCP, NICE ;).
Bluebird Lives Matter too:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvdqqYSF/Screen-Shot-2023-03-11-at-5-52-53-PM.png) (https://postimages.org/)
I have it on authority that 9 out 10 bluebirds prefer the protection of a PCP equipped backyard sniper over a Springer guy. Got two pairs this year thus far trying to nest if I can keep the HOSP off them.
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We have all types of AGs, including a nice assortment of vintage Sheridan and Benjamin pumpers, but springers and PCPs are just about all we shoot now, probably about a 50/50 mix these days. Definitely trending to more PCP shooting, though, as we age. Buying a compressor was a huge plus for our PCP shooting.
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I don't like the cheek bruising jar of a break barrel. PCP's are not only more accurate but quieter - pleasant to use. Pumping, well that's another matter. Still prefer PCP's.
Me too. Same. HOSP at 50 yards, ease the back door open, slow, slow, they are wary. Bring the Marauder Super Light up, compensate a little for wind and 30 yard zero, ease the safety off and on the trigger so smooth, into a zen state, almost close my eyes, I see the bullet I see everything in that moment, the universe comes into focus, na, na, nah, naaaa, pfffftttt-oing. A cloud of feathers results :o. No jar, no slap in the face, no reverse recoil, in fact no recoil and scope still in once piece and happy bluebirds clapping their wings in joy. That is the perfection of the PCP, NICE ;).
Bluebird Lives Matter too:
(https://i.postimg.cc/wvdqqYSF/Screen-Shot-2023-03-11-at-5-52-53-PM.png) (https://postimages.org/)
I have it on authority that 9 out 10 bluebirds prefer the protection of a PCP equipped backyard sniper over a Springer guy. Got two pairs this year thus far trying to nest if I can keep the HOSP off them.
It’s amazing I’ve never seen a HOSP in my back yard. I have a bird feeder and enjoy watching the Black Eyed Juncos, Blue Jays, Finches, couple squirrels, morning doves they all get along. If I were invaded by HOSPs I must protect my visitors with my PCPs
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It’s amazing I’ve never seen a HOSP in my back yard. I have a bird feeder and enjoy watching the Black Eyed Juncos, Blue Jays, Finches, couple squirrels, morning doves they all get along. If I were invaded by HOSPs I must protect my visitors with my PCPs
I have a lot of beautiful birds, tons of house finches, various native sparrows and cardinals, downys, juncos, jays. They all take turns. The squirrel got eaten by a hawk :o. Of course blue birds are mostly insect eaters so unless I put out worms they do not attend the feeders. HOSP, you are either very lucky or you do not know how to ID them?? They can be difficult, especially the females. If I cannot 100% identify I do not pull the trigger. I get HOSP and they scratch out the seeds, pester the other birds and try relentlessly to usurp the blue birds from their nests. I get starlings but mostly in the winter, HOSPs year around. I prefer my Urban for HOSP but I am using my MSL at the moment because I had the Urban down for minor maintenance and drilling the port and need to re-zero the scope. Just seems I can thread that accurate .22 Urban through the branches better than my MSL. But out past 30 yards, it is MSL all the way.
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It’s amazing I’ve never seen a HOSP in my back yard. I have a bird feeder and enjoy watching the Black Eyed Juncos, Blue Jays, Finches, couple squirrels, morning doves they all get along. If I were invaded by HOSPs I must protect my visitors with my PCPs
I have a lot of beautiful birds, tons of house finches, various native sparrows and cardinals, downys, juncos, jays. They all take turns. The squirrel got eaten by a hawk :o. Of course blue birds are mostly insect eaters so unless I put out worms they do not attend the feeders. HOSP, you are either very lucky or you do not know how to ID them?? They can be difficult, especially the females. If I cannot 100% identify I do not pull the trigger. I get HOSP and they scratch out the seeds, pester the other birds and try relentlessly to usurp the blue birds from their nests. I get starlings but mostly in the winter, HOSPs year around. I prefer my Urban for HOSP but I am using my MSL at the moment because I had the Urban down for minor maintenance and drilling the port and need to re-zero the scope. Just seems I can thread that accurate .22 Urban through the branches better than my MSL. But out past 30 yards, it is MSL all the way.
HOSPS here are for some reason in the shopping centers lol they must have gotten the memo not to visit my feeder :)
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Those guys ?