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Airguns by Make and Model => Beeman Airguns => Topic started by: Air biscuit 456 on November 07, 2011, 01:43:34 AM
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Just got a Beeman P 17 Shot about 100 rounds through it and its great so far. Have not noticed any reduction in velocity but dont have a chrony so not sure. Anyhows im getting used to the trigger and am shooting about nickel sized groups at 6 yards with 2 hand hold. Oiled it with lithium white grease. Plan on getting a pell oil substitute as the real thing costs 5 dollars. Maybe getting some silicone shock oil from hobby shop for that. Actually groups are getting tighter so not sure if velocity is dropping indicating bad seals.
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I maybe wrong but this could be put into the German gate.
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P-17 is china but shoot like a german gun with a china price.
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I purchased a P-17 about a month ago and have had zero issues with it. I have a 2X20 Leupold EER scope mounted on it so I bought a second one two weeks ago for open sight shooting. It to has had zero issues with about 100 pellets through it and about 200 pellets through the first one.
Great little pistol! I also have the IZH-46M and the Crosman 2300S which I shoot regularly.
Mike
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Thanks for the info have not looked at pistols for while. Must have been thinking of the P5. Should have checked before posting. But with the input I have learned something. Might have to look into one. thanks again
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If metric isnt working try SAE o-orings...:P
Try looking for what seals the german made p3/hw40 uses. Believe those use SAE o-rings.
What kind of red-dots are you guys using?
I'm not sure i want a pistol scope after all... and honestly a lil confused by which kind of red dot to get.
All my p17 shooting (well after i tossed out the red-dots they came with) has been open sight, and while i've been getting 4/5 shots exactly where i want... i seem to ruin either that 1st short or the last shot. Get in a rhythm and i get almost no strays...
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looked at my notes for the P-17.
O-RINGS
Stem = #006
Breech = #009
Piston = #116
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My groups are getting smaller and smaller with this pistol. Starting to be able to hit where i point it at 6 yards two hands. Also im using cheapo crosman destroyer ex as this pistol seems to like these. Some pells fit just right and some are a bit tight. Seems the loose ones are more accurate. Wonder what this pistol can do with better pells and even match grade ones. So far i dont notice any pressure loss. Dont have a chrony but its hitting real consistent. i have some xman premier hollows and all seem to be tight fits. Have not shot for accuracy much because of this.
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Sure, its not as good as the p3/hw40, but the p17 sure is a great clone.
Functionality (with the proper o-rings, only slight difference in powerplant's dimensions & materials of mfg.)
Similiar Trigger (difference in materials of mfg.)
Accurate (sadly not as accurate, but fairly close, think it was .625" vs .5" forget if that was 10m or 15 ft... think i rounded up from .48")
Costs over $100 less
At an air pistols effect range;
Just casual plinking, you'd probably never notice the difference in accuracy.
It is a different story, if you were target shooting, but then you'd want to be using something better then a p17/p3/hw40 if you were that serious about target shooting. Don't misunderstand, a P3/hw40 is a good start, just not in the same league as an Izh 46 (or better).
So for casual plinking, and trying your hand at target shooting the p17 isn't that bad, especially at its price point.
It fills a very nice niche...
For my own needs I saw no reason to spend more for basically the same exact loading and targeting procedure. Instead I saved some $, which allowed me to 'invest' in other air guns, neither of which are match grade. So I'm happy with it.
Probably going to spend more on a decent red dot for it, then it cost. Or maybe try a leapers bug buster.
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i have the marksman 2004 model,owned her for about 7-9 years.
its fun,cheap,accurate.
never had a single issue with it....ever.
still shoots great.
415 fps with cphp,1 inch-1.25 inch group at 10 yards off hand....best $40 pellet gun ive ever owned.
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Saw this, its a few days old, but hey its about the p17:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKLF30S76Zw#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKLF30S76Zw#ws)
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looked at my notes for the P-17.
O-RINGS
Stem = #006
Breech = #009
Piston = #116
Great info here! Thanks!
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looked at my notes for the P-17.
O-RINGS
Stem = #006
Breech = #009
Piston = #116
Thanks for the information on the o-rings. Since becoming more involved with pellet guns this year, I have learned more about o-rings then I ever wanted to know! I'm still have a lot to learn about airgun maintenance.
I ordered some Viton rings today.
I bought the Nitrile O-rings, will they suffice? I have all the right sizes. Are the nitrile as good or almost as good as the uber-expensive viton ones??
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As there is no co2 involved nitrile should be fine but viton would be best for long life. If you can check the breather hole in the cylinder for burrs that goes a long way to improve the life of your piston o-ring.
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Also im using cheapo crosman destroyer ex as this pistol seems to like these.
I've put quite a few Destroyer pellets through mine, but I've discovered mine seems to like Beeman wadcutter pellets better...give 'em a try....certainly cheap enough.
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Will the P-17 take down starlings and sparrows,say 8 yds,or just paper targets,either way it will be under Christmas tree ;D
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With a 7.9 pellet at 410 fps you get 2.95 foot-pounds I wouldn't try it too big a chance to just wound. Plus you're not really getting 410 fps out of it more like 380 fps. You would need a minimum of 478 fps to get 4 foot-pounds.
sorry boo boo'd my numbers fixed now
Will the P-17 take down starlings and sparrows,say 8 yds,or just paper targets,either way it will be under Christmas tree ;D
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Thanks Warwolf
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When it comes to pest elimination with the P17, using Predator Polymags greatly improves the potential for killing.
I've taken adult rats and sparrows with a P17 and polymags with no problem.
The starlings were always too far away.
Also boils down to shot placement too.
If the sparrows/starlings are within say 20 yards, you should be able to drop them easily.
Otherwise, power drops off very quickly with distance, when employing the P17.
Starlings I've always killed with my air rifles because they are 30~50 yards away, and there needs to be enough power left at impact to drop em. Chest, head, and back shots drop em. Through the wing usually results in them gliding into another yard before they expire.
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I just received one in the mail this morning, what a sweet little shooter. My younger brother came over right after dinner and we had a blast in the basement picking on paper first, then ran a series of chrony tests (I'll post results in the review gate when I get the video edited for youtube).
Recoil, what recoil? ;)
Tim
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I just received one in the mail this morning, what a sweet little shooter. My younger brother came over right after dinner and we had a blast in the basement picking on paper first, then ran a series of chrony tests (I'll post results in the review gate when I get the video edited for youtube).
Recoil, what recoil? ;)
Tim
did you ever post the results? Anxious to see em.....
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Had a lil free time today so tried attaching one of those newer $7@wm "compact" 4x15 crosman targetfinders.
it is shorter than this: (http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/02/84/78/04/0002847804100_180X180.jpg)
Not sure about 20y on starlings.
Someone needs to cobble together a shoulder stock (similiar to the 1399 for the 13xx's).
Think i have it sighted in. It may not be a fancy red dot, but i think its working out ok (better then open sights) so far.
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^^ looks pretty sweet, but make it even harder to cock??
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I didn't have much difficulty using my injured hand to pump it so... It wasn't any worse than pumping open sight. Either used two fingers, one to the left & one right of the rear sights, or pushed down by the scope rings (probably not smart).
Now loading it with the injured hand was... chancy.
I could see how this would make it harder for a child to pump it though (w/o damaging the scope).
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bump this up! Great info on a great gun!
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i picked up a p17 about 3 months ago, just because my walmart was discounting them heavily (24.99) and i always liked that pistol...Well, it surely has earned a spot in my rack and my back pack... it is a quiet, consistent (415 fps) with RWS super h points, and with the re dot it will hit a nickel out to 15 yards 10 out of 10 times. As per pest eardication, i believe that at that range is very feasible as the gun is capable of high accuracy. Even at that low power, a head shot to a sparrow will do the job. And i can tell you that those little hollow points do a number on sparrows... I ahve also bodied them and a frontal hit will cause enough trauma to take them down in one shot. Range is important. All these shots have being done at 12 yards or less, using a red dot (Tasco) or a 2x20 pistol scope.
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Mine has been going strong for several years since I sorted out the burred intake port and loosening valve stem nut. It is low-powered, but very accurate for the (cheap) price. I would recommend it to anyone who needs a gun with those characteristics (and the ability to resolve some minor problems).