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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: DevilsLuck on February 04, 2023, 07:08:15 AM
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Hey folks! As some of you may have read on another thread; I recently reviewed my Blitz, and per the provided instructions, it just would not take a fill. I tried, tried, and tried again. Nothing. I read the manual again, and again just to be sure I wasn’t missing something, “no” I am certain I’m doing exactly as the manual states. Pretty disappointed at that point. I contacted the vender, and arranged a return, no hassle, no problem. It was gonna be a day or two till I can get the Blitz shipped back.
So I boxed it back up the way it came, if a bit “cleaner”. And put it out of my mind. Then my old friend insomnia decided to swing by last night to hang out with me.
While we were up, I decided to watch some blitz videos on YouTube. Just to see what problems other folks have had. While most videos involved gutting their guns to get to the source of their problems, (something I’m most definitely not going to do); I found one particular video. The guy described his problem. New gun, wouldn’t take air. Hmmm… He went on to describe everything he tried without disassembly, but to no avail. Until… he said he left the gun tethered, I think to a tank, or maybe a compressor, and in stead of leaving the bolt in the locked back position, he let it forward, and actuated the trigger. The gun cycled under the incoming power of the tether. He did this a number of times until viola! He locked the bolt back to the manuals instructed position , and it started taking air! It’s as though something had been stuck, or frozen in the open position initially. But no more. Good for him I thought.
I immediately went for my users manual. And instead of looking for “what to do”, I went looking for “what not to do”. I didn’t find it. I couldn’t find anywhere that it expressly mentions to not dry fire. So I thought hmmm… Is this worth a try? After rereading the manual for what had to be at least the 20th time I decided it was worth a shot. It probably won’t work, but I’ll be no worse for wear. I’ll still have a gun that doesn’t hold air.
After about six pulls of the trigger, tethered to my compressor, I locked the bolt back to the instructed position, and BINGO it started taking air. I filled it to full yellow on the rifles gauge, and stopped. Shut down the compressor, and untethered the rifle. Then watched, and listened. I could hear no air leaks.After 10 minutes it seemed to be holding in the yellow. So I repeated this process for the first green section. Still good, I think..? Than the full fill. Now here I did lose some pressure after sitting for a half hour. But only some, and it seemed to stop. I’m not sure what that means.
Now I’m a bit torn on the return. The circumstances have changed somewhat. I was able to shoot 5 pellets to see if proper function was intact under a “load”. It seems to work. For now I’m going to give it a full charge, and watch the gague before I commit to any final decision…
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New parts can be sticky, I was going to mention firing while under pressure, but saw the gun was going back LOL
There can be up to 200 psi drop from filling with a compressor and cooling of the air, so that is normal. One will see greater drops in pressure going from warm to freezing.
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Sounds like you may have solved your problem! I would shoot the heck out of it for the next couple of days, fulling topping it off before putting it away for the day and then checking it the next morning for any significant loss.
Just an FYI, to compensate for the slight loss due to the cooling of the air, I tyipically fill mine to a bit over the max, and as the air cools, I end up at the max pressure. For example, on my 250 BAR Max Fill airguns, I'll fill then to 255 BAR and as the air cools, they will drop to 250 BAR.
If all is working well after a couple days of the shoot/rest cycle it's still functioning as it should and holding air, I'd say you fixed the issue! BTW, I had a simular issue with my Jet 1 when I first got it and it's not holding air like a champ! Sometimes things just need to be broken in a little! It probably has a lot to do with the industrial streanght gook they slather everywhere when manufacturing these things! ;D
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Thanks guys. I'm gonna wring it out this afternoon, and see how it goes. I may not be out of the woods yet. We'll see. I'm glad I stumbled on that video. It may have saved me time, and frustration. I guess I'll see. Additionally I'm glad I kept the vendor out of my post as well. Cause I'd be looking like a real Jacka$$ right about now had I dumped this issue on them as being repsonible...
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Operator error can be problematic….thats all I will say….lol…good luck
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What's life without adventure?
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Operator error can be problematic….thats all I will say….lol…good luck
I'm not so sure I would classify what happened as operator error. He followed the manual to the "T" and it leaked! It wasn't until after he found a YouTube video with a pretty unconventional solution that he got it to hold air!
I really think the manufacture should test every airgun before it ships and a good vendor should do a quick function test before it's shipped to a customer. This would preclude this happening. I really don't think it's that much to ask, especially when paying the asking price for some of these more expensive airguns!
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I'm finally home from taking the dog to the vet, and have manage to roughly sight in my optic. So far functionality seems solid, though I haven't gone through a full cylinder yet. I did however load up 5 rounds, and giave the "fun switch a try. And I definitely worked. And it definitely pasted a grin on my face!
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I'm finally home from taking the dog to the vet, and have manage to roughly sight in my optic. So far functionality seems solid, though I haven't gone through a full cylinder yet. I did however load up 5 rounds, and giave the "fun switch a try. And I definitely worked. And it definitely pasted a grin on my face!
It’s definitely more fun than dumping a whole tin of pellets in the grass, even if the end result is about the same! ;D
From my understanding the cyclic rate of the Blitz in full auto is twice as fast as the SK-19, it still makes me grin every time I wake a full magazine of pellets! :o
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I'm finally home from taking the dog to the vet, and have manage to roughly sight in my optic. So far functionality seems solid, though I haven't gone through a full cylinder yet. I did however load up 5 rounds, and giave the "fun switch a try. And I definitely worked. And it definitely pasted a grin on my face!
It’s definitely more fun than dumping a whole tin of pellets in the grass, even if the end result is about the same! ;D
From my understanding the cyclic rate of the Blitz in full auto is twice as fast as the SK-19, it still makes me grin every time I wake a full magazine of pellets! :o
It indeed is super fast. Frankly it would be nice if it could be slowed a bit.
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I'm finally home from taking the dog to the vet, and have manage to roughly sight in my optic. So far functionality seems solid, though I haven't gone through a full cylinder yet. I did however load up 5 rounds, and giave the "fun switch a try. And I definitely worked. And it definitely pasted a grin on my face!
It’s definitely more fun than dumping a whole tin of pellets in the grass, even if the end result is about the same! ;D
From my understanding the cyclic rate of the Blitz in full auto is twice as fast as the SK-19, it still makes me grin every time I wake a full magazine of pellets! :o
It indeed is super fast. Frankly it would be nice if it could be slowed a bit.
It would be really nice if they could figure out how to do a 3 round burst mode!
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I'm finally home from taking the dog to the vet, and have manage to roughly sight in my optic. So far functionality seems solid, though I haven't gone through a full cylinder yet. I did however load up 5 rounds, and giave the "fun switch a try. And I definitely worked. And it definitely pasted a grin on my face!
It’s definitely more fun than dumping a whole tin of pellets in the grass, even if the end result is about the same! ;D
From my understanding the cyclic rate of the Blitz in full auto is twice as fast as the SK-19, it still makes me grin every time I wake a full magazine of pellets! :o
It indeed is super fast. Frankly it would be nice if it could be slowed a bit.
It would be really nice if they could figure out how to do a 3 round burst mode!
I think with practice one could get pretty consistent with bursts. But yeah a 3 shot burst would be useful. The trigger pull is quite stiff. Easily the heaviest pull of anything I've shot before. And thre actual trigger itself has some rather crisp edges, which coupled with the heavy pull, can be somewhat uncomfortable on the finger. I'll probably just deal with it for now, or wear gloves. Once my warranty runs out, I'll probably round down the sharp edges.
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On a positive note the air gage didn't budge over night. So it seems the leak issue has been resolved. I didn't really get to do much in the way of accuracy testing yesterday despite going through a full tin of pellets. I only used tho one tin, and that was just to set up my LPVO, and red dot combo. About the time I was somewhat dialed in with those two, I was losing light, and the tin was emptying out. So far I'm really liking the semi feature, with its fairly short reset. That's gonna make follow up shot fast. The full auto feature is as much fun as you'd expect. And probably about as useful...
I'll get more range time today, and see how it goes.
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Sounds like you are back on track, that's great news! Other than the initial thrill or letting others have a little fun, I hardly use the full auto function any more! With intense concentration, I may get 1-3 pellets on target and the rest are all over the place, mostly climbing the target!
I remember the trigger on the Galation Semi-Auto I had a couple years ago was horrible, extremely long and very heavy! It was more like an intense finger exerciser! :P In full auto, the SK-19 trigger is much worse than in semi-auto, it's extremely long and a bit heavier. The trigger shoe itself is nice, so no issues there, but I'd much rather shoot it in semi-auto and actually put pellets where I'm aiming!
The trigger on my Huben is much nicer than the SK-19, but it lacks the fun button for when I want to really go ballistic! ;D
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My Evanix Air Speed semi auto is fun but man, I can blow through some pellets fast. I spend more time reloading mags than shooting.
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Sounds like you are back on track, that's great news! Other than the initial thrill or letting others have a little fun, I hardly use the full auto function any more! With intense concentration, I may get 1-3 pellets on target and the rest are all over the place, mostly climbing the target!
I remember the trigger on the Galation Semi-Auto I had a couple years ago was horrible, extremely long and very heavy! It was more like an intense finger exerciser! :P In full auto, the SK-19 trigger is much worse than in semi-auto, it's extremely long and a bit heavier. The trigger shoe itself is nice, so no issues there, but I'd much rather shoot it in semi-auto and actually put pellets where I'm aiming!
The trigger on my Huben is much nicer than the SK-19, but it lacks the fun button for when I want to really go ballistic! ;D
I'm gonna do some testing today. I'm gonna try load a mag with three rounds only, to see if there is any practical hunting application to the 3 round burst idea...
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My Evanix Air Speed semi auto is fun but man, I can blow through some pellets fast. I spend more time reloading mags than shooting.
That is a potential problem with any semi-auto, let alone a full auto - it is simply easier to shoot faster than one can load . . . until one gets past the phase where we empty the mag "just because I can," this is a simple reality.
My Huben takes no longer to load in "time per pellet" than any of my other mag guns, but does have the issue of having a fixed mag so it can only be loaded on the gun. But in the real world that has proved to be a non-issue, given the 19 shots it carries. I easily put over 10,000 rounds through in the first year I had it, and most of those were probably in the first few months as I learned the gun. But it has slowed down to a more normal usage rate now, even though it is still the gun I grab and shoot far more than any of the others. After having it for almost two years, I'd say I don't shoot any more pellets than I used to before I got it - but man did I blow through the pellets when I first got it!
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I only have 2 mags... it would be nice to have enough mags to shoot a full charge before reloading and refilling.
I have that luxury on most of my other PCP guns.
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Well I have encountered a hiccup... Things were going good for a hot minute, then accuracy got erratic. Like wild erratic. After finishing a mag, I tried to load another, and it wouldn't go. Same mag mind you. The barrel had slid rearward presumably after I dry fired it for saftey, to see if my scope mounts came loose. Well, the set screws that fix the barrel in place are located under my scope mount. So I hat to remove my scope mount, insert a mag, and manipulate the barrel back to its proper seating depth. Surprisingly there seems to be no stop for this location. It's simple held in place by two small set screws. Screws I'd have certainly lost had it not been for my scope mount. Back to the drawing board as far as sighting in. All previous data officially corrupted...
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DL, is there enough threads to add a second grub screw to lock the first ones in?
If not, maybe some blue LocTite. I've heard some guys even put a bit of LocTite on the barrel before putting it in.
Or maybe you could mark and drill a small dimple in the barrel.
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DL, is there enough threads to add a second grub screw to lock the first ones in?
If not, maybe some blue LocTite. I've heard some guys even put a bit of LocTite on the barrel before putting it in.
Or maybe you could mark and drill a small dimple in the barrel.
If it works loose again, I'm gonna have to give those idea a shot. I'm trying for now to stay within the warranty parameters.
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DL, is there enough threads to add a second grub screw to lock the first ones in?
If not, maybe some blue LocTite. I've heard some guys even put a bit of LocTite on the barrel before putting it in.
Or maybe you could mark and drill a small dimple in the barrel.
If it works loose again, I'm gonna have to give those idea a shot. I'm trying for now to stay within the warranty parameters.
Got ya.
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I always hit the back browser button, or right click on the upper left arrow to a drop down of pages viewed , and go back to a webpage I meant to be on...
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I always hit the back browser button, or right click on the upper left arrow to a drop down of pages viewed , and go back to a webpage I meant to be on...
Me too but I hit post on that one before I realized it... you can go back and edit but you can't delete and you can't leave it empty.
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My Evanix Air Speed semi auto is fun but man, I can blow through some pellets fast. I spend more time reloading mags than shooting.
The AEA HP Carbine is the same way but MAN OH MAN, that little gun is so much fun!