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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: buddyb on January 23, 2023, 08:25:48 PM
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I'm looking to get either the Hatsan BT65SB .22 PCP, Hatsan sniper 125 or the hatsan 135 all in .22. I'm wondering if anyone's using these guns and how the performance and reliability is?
Are they difficult to work on if needed and parts availability.
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I just got a Hatsan 135QE Vortex .22. Absolute blast to shoot. Beast of a gun and a bear to cock. 50 lb is no joke. Mine is accurate with a great trigger and a nice stock. However, mine is an older model from when they first came out and had been tuned by the seller. From what I’ve read Hatsan is paying less attention to their QC these days. Rumor is also that their customer service leaves something to be desired. If you can find one at a good price and like to tinker it might be worth it. I’ve never shot another spring gun like it.
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Hi Buddy.
Break Barrels:
The Hatsan 125 & 135 are both listed as 13 pounds. The 22cal maxes out a 33 FPE
The Gamo Magnum that you previously were looking at is listed at 7.88 pounds. Power wise it should be about the same.
My 125's are reasonably accurate out to 40 yards. Most of my shots are in the 25 to 35 yard range.
PCP Long Gun:
The Hatsan BT65SB is listed as 16 pounds.
It has quite an edge power wise. The 22 cal maxes out at 55 FPE.
It also should have an edge in accuracy on longer range shots.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Thanks Chris and Tom for your input.
That MOD 125 Sniper Camo Vortex QE is still catching my eye.
I'm still considering the gamo as well Tom.
That BT65 would take anything I'd be hunting that's for sure.
Its tough trying to make a decision lol.
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I have shot 125's from some buddies. Both the spring operated- as well as the gasram operated versions. It is a looong airgun, but shoots great. The Vortex version does vibrate definitely less compared with the spring operated version. I don't like long airguns, but somehow with the 125 you don't notice the length that much. It is definitely an aid with cocking.
The 135 is bulky and hefty, has a great wood stock to look at. The 135, the emperor of all springers. I have only had one in my hands at a gun smith once. I would buy in .25 cal given the strong power plant of the 135.
I have shot and owned several Hatsan PCPs. The AT44, the AT-P1 and the BT65 as well. All great PCPs with a nice trigger. You can't go wrong. Since you already own a PCP, the step to another PCP is easy to make. Though owning a self sufficient airgun like a springer is not bad at all. The BT65 is also long btw. Very accurate.
Currently I have the Hatsan 25 SuperTact and the Hatsan AirTact ED in my small collection of airguns. The AirTact I bought it recently for $115 and I am amazed by the quality of such an affordable airgun, even though it is build from a lot of synthetic parts, the quality is still great and does not feel 'cheap' at all.
I would buy another Hatsan in a hart beat again. Having said that, planning to buy the 95 or Striker Edge or 1000x in .25 cal soon. I just like the .25 caliber LOL
From your list.... I would go for 125 Sniper Vortex, in camo !
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I don’t know about the 125 but the 135 is long, 47.5”;I think? And it’s heavy. I think the 13 lb must be Hatsan’s shipping weight, everyone else shows it just under 10. I have a red dot on mine. Keeps weight down and is great 30 yards and in. I have a compact scope on an offset mount I haven’t tried yet. Weight of your optics is something to consider if you get a big heavy gun. It shoots well off hand but not something I’d want to carry around the woods all day.
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Hatsan 135 is heavy only in comparison to mid-weight springers. But hey, the 135 produces around 100 % more Kinetic Energy than those.
Further, Hatsan 135 could not be any lighter. The basic walnut-stocked model feels almost like having too little material, both steel and wood, for the powerplant, cocking effort and muzzle energy. It also balances and points very well, which it wouldn't do if it were dimensioned differently.
If there was a Hatsan 135 that was produced from the best materials using the best techniques and tolerances, it would be a Deal Magnifique! I applaude the Hatsan engineers who came up with the 135.
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You guys are pretty convincing, I appreciate all the advice I can get on these guns.
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Here you go, Duke. Close as you’ll get to what you described. Early version, believe Hatsan was taking a little more pride in their work. Fit and finish not on par with HW, or Diana, or AA, but not too bad. Before I mounted the red dot, but shot very well with the stock sights. Decent fiber optics in this gun. Shooting experience unlike any other springer I’ve ever shot. Assuming the 125 is similar but no firsthand experience.
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Good looking gun Chris
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Hi Buddy.
Here are my two Hatsan 125's.
Mine are both spring piston guns.
The camo one with the Thumb-hole stock is 25cal and the other is 22cal.
They are both set up for a rifle sling.
Best Wishes - Tom
(Click the picture to enlarge the image.)
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I suppose my first question would be, what's your experience with springers? These beasts aren't something you can just pick up and shoot well... in many cases.
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Both of those guns look pretty good Tom, I like the thumbhole one the best. ;D
Bill I had a Benjamin Trail NP XL .22 and a Crossman Summit Ranger. I shot both of them pretty well and got squirrels with both of them. I really didn't have much of a problem with either one. The Benjamin was a little hard to cock but not too bad.
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I suppose my first question would be, what's your experience with springers? These beasts aren't something you can just pick up and shoot well... in many cases.
Hi Bill.
In the past buddy has had these two rifles.
I had sold him a Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 & a Crosman Vantage NP in a Titan Stock.
The Benjamin Trail NP XL 1100 was in the same class as the rifles he is looking at now.
He should know what he is getting into.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Tom got me started with airguns and helped me out when I didn't have much funding. Mike also contributed in my airgun journey.
I like both platforms pcp and break barrels. The only thing I'm a little concerned about is my shoulder acting up with the magnum guns.
The BT65 would be a great alternative and easier on the joints lol.
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The bt65 really shines at longer distances. If you have to opportunity to shoot up to 100yrds often, the bt65 is a no-brainer.
Take the springers for up to 35yrds or so. Shooting the bt65 at that distance will be really boring, unless you plink and hunt with it.
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Thanks for the info guys.... I wasn't sure.
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I have it narrowed down to four guns.
Seneca Eagle Claw
Hatsan BT65
Hatsan 125 sniper
Gamo swarm Magnum gen3
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Remember that with any of the pcp guns comes the need to hand pump or invest in a compressor. That's what keeps me from going that direction. I don't like to shoot pump guns, the effort required per shot isn't worth the return of 1 shot then repeat. The same with having to hand pump in order to shoot or the expense of a compressor.
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Buddyb, thanks for the compliment. I was lucky. I know the previous caretaker and knew I was getting a good one. The Hatsan gas ram will test your shoulder. I got mine because the previous owner has a bum shoulder and can no longer cock it. I don’t have anything else close to the cocking effort this takes and that includes side lever Dianas and under lever HW. If you have shoulder issues you might want to factor that in.
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Guy I already have compressor and a hand pump.
Chris thats why I paid-it-forward the Benjamin Trail I got from Tom and the Summit Ranger from Mike. I figured I could help someone else like Tom and Mike did for me.But I still like the looks and handling of those guns.
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Several of us here have orthopedic issues. I don't have a PCP but I know how sore I can be after shooting my Hatsan magnums. Unless you are a masochist like Bill and me get the PCP!
Don't get me wrong. I love the beasts. Hit a squirrel at fifty yards with a PCP and that's good shootin. But do it with a twanger and its something to brag about.
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Remember that with any of the pcp guns comes the need to hand pump or invest in a compressor. That's what keeps me from going that direction. I don't like to shoot pump guns, the effort required per shot isn't worth the return of 1 shot then repeat. The same with having to hand pump in order to shoot or the expense of a compressor.
Or buy a scuba diving compressed air bottle, that is what I did ;)
Albeit, you'll need to get that one filled every once in a while as well.
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I can only speak to the Hatsan 125, but here goes -
Mine is a standard model, basic black plastic stock, coil spring OEM refurb in .25 for $129 bought a year+ ago from Hatsan. Makes a lot of power, but is quite easier to cock than my Diana 350 NTEC and in the basic stock version really isn't that heavy.
Gun seems well put together, the trigger is fine, accuracy is TBD but at short range seems fine as well. The firing stroke is heavy of course but not a nightmare. I don't recall any spring twang either.
Mine seems to be a bit of a hot rod, making up to 36 fpe with 16gr alloy pellets (of which I've shot exactly 2...) but 31/32 to 34 or so with various lead pellets. For example, 25.4's run around 790 fps. 20gr lead is close to 900 fps. Yowsa!
Interestingly, it averages 731 fps with 26gr FX Hybrid slugs, which are far more sleek than diabolo style pellets. According to chairgun it will start around 30fpe and still have close to 24fpe at 100 yards. Not that I imagine shooting much more than balloons or plate targets at that range!
They arent quick or easy to load though. I would love to see a version with "driving bands" to reduce the loading force and barrel friction vs the solid sidewall design.
I need to do a lot more shooting with it, and I'm guessing that the heavy shot cycle will contribute to significant POI shifts when combined with sometimes makeshift holds when in the field.
So, Power with a capitol P, and while they aren't heirloom quality like, say, Weihrauchs are, they aren't junk. They check a different box than most other guns.
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Thanks Brian. Those are pretty good numbers for your rifle, I think any break barrel with over 30fpe is outstanding.
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I can only speak to the Hatsan 125, but here goes -
Mine is a standard model, basic black plastic stock, coil spring OEM refurb in .25 for $129 bought a year+ ago from Hatsan. Makes a lot of power, but is quite easier to cock than my Diana 350 NTEC and in the basic stock version really isn't that heavy.
Gun seems well put together, the trigger is fine, accuracy is TBD but at short range seems fine as well. The firing stroke is heavy of course but not a nightmare. I don't recall any spring twang either.
Mine seems to be a bit of a hot rod, making up to 36 fpe with 16gr alloy pellets (of which I've shot exactly 2...) but 31/32 to 34 or so with various lead pellets. For example, 25.4's run around 790 fps. 20gr lead is close to 900 fps. Yowsa!
Interestingly, it averages 731 fps with 26gr FX Hybrid slugs, which are far more sleek than diabolo style pellets. According to chairgun it will start around 30fpe and still have close to 24fpe at 100 yards. Not that I imagine shooting much more than balloons or plate targets at that range!
They arent quick or easy to load though. I would love to see a version with "driving bands" to reduce the loading force and barrel friction vs the solid sidewall design.
I need to do a lot more shooting with it, and I'm guessing that the heavy shot cycle will contribute to significant POI shifts when combined with sometimes makeshift holds when in the field.
So, Power with a capitol P, and while they aren't heirloom quality like, say, Weihrauchs are, they aren't junk. They check a different box than most other guns.
Hi Brian.
I tried to respond to your PM.
A message says that your inbox is full and you can not receive any messages by PM.
Best Wishes - Tom
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Just cleared a few. Should be good now