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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Motorhead on September 23, 2022, 09:33:59 PM
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Self contained ... drop in requiring ZERO modification.
The MAX seemed to like a .070" wire spring at 3 1/2" under a slight preload, Where the STANDARD liked a .060" wire spring at 4" under greater preload. ??? odd one there ???
The head of the 6-32 X 2" screw sits in a deep counter bore and calibrated in depth to allow rifle to cock normally yet be VERY SSG stopping the spring expansion just before poppet is struck.
Works very very well.
** Pressure noted on paper note was incorrect for the STARDARD I was doing at the time ... was at 2800 psi FYI.
No I'm not going to be selling these .. tho someone I'm sure will run with the idea / design. have at it !!
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Awesome! Adding it to my winter project list!
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Looks like a great solution.
Is that peek or some other plastic?
Do you know what the hammer weight is?
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Looks like a great solution.
Is that peek or some other plastic?
Do you know what the hammer weight is?
Material is just YELLOW Acetal ... Nothing special but does look spiffy !!
As too hammer weight, don't recall exactly but in these first gen Cuda's they are very light !! ( IIRC something in the 30 gram range ) Was told that this next production will have heavier hammers in them being it was pretty universal they were a tad on the light side.
Devise ( SSG ) should still be doable with just a spring rate change to work best with whatever weight hammer your Cuda will come with.
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For anyone, (like me), who needs to know a little bit more about what an SSG is, click here: https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/conserving-air-in-pcps-hammer-bounce-and-the-ssg/
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For anyone, (like me), who needs to know a little bit more about what an SSG is, click here: https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/conserving-air-in-pcps-hammer-bounce-and-the-ssg/
As one who has engineered nearly 2 dozen retrofit applications for the SSG devise, the beauty is that the concept can be made up in so many configurations while also becoming VERY streamlined and compact devise.
Credit goes to Bob S for sharing the idea with us all !! Thank you Bob ! While the examples Bob shared in the article & originally shared here on the GTA were rather crude and simple they worked well enough to prove the point about the devises merits.
In the last 8 years or so it has been proven time and time again to do what it claims .. SAVE AIR, Add more shots while also having most guns Quieter too 8)
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For anyone, (like me), who needs to know a little bit more about what an SSG is, click here: https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/conserving-air-in-pcps-hammer-bounce-and-the-ssg/
As one who has engineered nearly 2 dozen retrofit applications for the SSG devise, the beauty is that the concept can be made up in so many configurations while also becoming VERY streamlined and compact devise.
Credit goes to Bob S for sharing the idea with us all !! Thank you Bob ! While the examples Bob shared in the article & originally shared here on the GTA were rather crude and simple they worked well enough to prove the point about the devises merits.
In the last 8 years or so it has been proven time and time again to do what it claims .. SAVE AIR, Add more shots while also having most guns Quieter too 8)
So I know these are designed to reduce hammer bounce, and it may not be an issue for these guns but has anyone design one that works with in-line forward cocking guns like the Air Force/Evanix Rex?
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For anyone, (like me), who needs to know a little bit more about what an SSG is, click here: https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/conserving-air-in-pcps-hammer-bounce-and-the-ssg/
As one who has engineered nearly 2 dozen retrofit applications for the SSG devise, the beauty is that the concept can be made up in so many configurations while also becoming VERY streamlined and compact devise.
Credit goes to Bob S for sharing the idea with us all !! Thank you Bob ! While the examples Bob shared in the article & originally shared here on the GTA were rather crude and simple they worked well enough to prove the point about the devises merits.
In the last 8 years or so it has been proven time and time again to do what it claims .. SAVE AIR, Add more shots while also having most guns Quieter too 8)
So I know these are designed to reduce hammer bounce, and it may not be an issue for these guns but has anyone design one that works with in-line forward cocking guns like the Air Force/Evanix Rex?
Never seen one or even heard of conversation about doing so ???
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Maybe Hammer bounce is not an issue for these guns. It was not hard to notice on the aea HP Max (which I eventually returned) and i guess I would have noticed if bounce was a problem on my airforce guns. I haven’t shot my evanix guns over a chronograph enough to know for those.
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Nice design. Is the SSG anchored to the hammer or the back of the receiver?
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Nice design. Is the SSG anchored to the hammer or the back of the receiver?
Non anchored to either in this design.
Tho on purpose it is configured the way that it is ... being, The bulk of the SSG's mass stays stationary against HST end cap. The base and the screw simply sit there while ONLY the end with springs containment sleeve w/ counter bore slide forward and back with compression of the spring.
If configured in reverse having the screw being thrown forward with the hammer, it's mass and momentum would be partially added to the hammers strike upon poppet stem.
Now if one wanted to be neurotic and anchor the SSG to the HST cap or hammer ? .... having the end cap that sits in HST cap or hammer being a good snug press fit that would be easily accomplished.
Lets look at this SSG somewhat like a Rubber band stretched out ... If you released each end simultaneously the energy would converge at the same time and the rubber band would simply fall to the ground.
The SSG as shown is in compression and when the screw stops expansion of spring, the mass of one end and the other end containing a screw suddenly are forced to stop outward motion .... the SSG becomes a unified part and based on the mass of its parts in motion will either bias to move one way or the other or just stop dead such as the rubber band thoughts above. ???
Interesting physics & honestly don't have that anwser ::)
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Interesting info. Speaking of SSG’s; there’s a guy on youtube who made an SSG for the pp700. He even used a second spring to further eliminate any hammer bounce.
https://youtu.be/3ssJiXtdzTE
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Interesting info. Speaking of SSG’s; there’s a guy on youtube who made an SSG for the pp700. He even used a second spring to further eliminate any hammer bounce.
https://youtu.be/3ssJiXtdzTE
I think we can trust this guy.
His hands aren't squeaky clean. and his fingernails are short but not manicured