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Title: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 14, 2022, 06:46:11 PM
I bought a 95 Vortex QE in .177, because I felt in .22 cal a mag or pcp would better to keep it in the 900-950 range.  The gun looks the part and seems well made.  I oiled the external metal parts and “cleaned” the barrel with a jag and about 10 dry patches. 

I sighted it in on iron sights and first 6 shot broke the sound barrier and was quiet after that.  I mounted the BSA Outlook 4x32 AO with Hawke 1” offset rings and put the recoil stop behind the front ring.  Tightened them down 15 in/lbs rings and 25 in/lbs bases. 

After about 100 pellets, the scope bases slid back, I believe it made the front of the recoil stop flat, it was slightly rounded.  The scope also slide back 1/16” and some of the grip tape in the rings came out with it(goo).  The rings seem cheap and the base threads were gulled a few threads in on one of them.  I’m used to precision center fire rifles($2500+ scopes, $250 rings etc), so I keep this in mind and try not to expect too much.  I removed the ring screws one at a time and re-applied the purple 222 loctite and torqued to 16 inch/lbs and did the same to the base screws but went 30 inch/lbs.  I believe the grip tape junk compressed and re-torquing should hold it now.   The base is firmly into the recoil stop now so that should also be good, I hope!
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Yogi on August 14, 2022, 09:43:29 PM
Jay,

If you are a high end CF rifle owner, why buy thw bargain basement springer?  My first airgun was a Hatsan, but I knew it was a value purchase not a quality purchase.
The Hatsan 95 is much better in .22.  IT shoots about 760-780 fps with 15 grn pellets.  Springers shooting faster than 850 are usually a handful.

-Y
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 14, 2022, 10:08:19 PM
It was just something to have fun with in the yard and seems like a step up from a Gamo.  It doesn’t shoot bad but the trigger is not good at all but I will be fixing that shortly.

 The last group of the day, 20 yrds, in orange at the top, it was supposed to be 5 shots but the 5th I botched, so loaded another and it went into the group.  Still learning this thing. H&N FTT

Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: SteveP-52 on August 15, 2022, 12:31:26 AM
You have me stumped. Suggested those rings and the way I mount them because it's worked without issue on every Hatsan and Turkish built Webley rifle
I've owned or still do. Never used a torque wrench, don't even own one. All mine have been mounted and tightened by hand. My guns have 1000's of
rounds through them and I've never had a base slide on the dovetails, a scope slide inside the rings or the grip tape go anywhere but stick to the scope
if I took it off to change scopes.
2 Model 95's, 2 Model 87QE's, 3 Edges and a couple Strikers along with their cousins Hatsan built for Webley & Scott in the  4 Tomahawks, a Spector and
4 Valuemax rifles.
Heck, except for 1, I also have those same rings on 3 Beemans, 2 Dianas, Mendoza and Norica rifles too...lol.

So yep, you have me stumped and I'll just stop suggesting the ways I did things since what I do doesn't seem to work for anyone else.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 15, 2022, 06:37:41 AM
You have me stumped. Suggested those rings and the way I mount them because it's worked without issue on every Hatsan and Turkish built Webley rifle
I've owned or still do. Never used a torque wrench, don't even own one. All mine have been mounted and tightened by hand. My guns have 1000's of
rounds through them and I've never had a base slide on the dovetails, a scope slide inside the rings or the grip tape go anywhere but stick to the scope
if I took it off to change scopes.
2 Model 95's, 2 Model 87QE's, 3 Edges and a couple Strikers along with their cousins Hatsan built for Webley & Scott in the  4 Tomahawks, a Spector and
4 Valuemax rifles.
Heck, except for 1, I also have those same rings on 3 Beemans, 2 Dianas, Mendoza and Norica rifles too...lol.

So yep, you have me stumped and I'll just stop suggesting the ways I did things since what I do doesn't seem to work for anyone else.

I think your ring config is the best way to go and I believe it will stay put since the re-torque.  I think tightening by hand you are applying a bit more torque than the Hawke specs and it holds great that way.  Again thank you Steve and I’m just sharing my experience.

 Mounting on a dovetail is different and any $30 rings, are going to have tolerance issues.  They did mount fairly centered and were a lot better then the stock rings or the ones that came with the BSA scope.  For a $50 scope the 4x BSA Outlook is decent.  After sight in at 20 yards is complete, I will be using hold overs, so turret tracking will not come into play.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 15, 2022, 04:50:04 PM
The Quattro trigger, I give it 3 out of 10.  I adjusted it per Hatsan’s youtube and after adjusting the 1st stage some.  Pretty much what was recommended was the best.  Working from butt to muzzle, rear set screw(# pull) from full out, turned in until some resistance is felt and then a 1/4 turn.  1st stage cap screw 1.5 turns out from full in, gives a long 1st stage and the shortest 2nd stage.  2nd stage cap screw, goes all the way in.  This measured 5-5.4 lbs of pull, the 2nd stage has what feels like 2 gritty stages before your at the break, which takes a little more pressure to fire. 

I was able to get decent groups, but took longer per shot than I would like and I feel this would really discourage a shooter with limited experience/skills.  I have seen enough posts complaining of big groups and shotgun patterns, I believe this is probably the main issue, besides hold.

I got a longer M3x.50, 14mm long cap screw for the sear 2nd stage adjust.  I beveled the end of the screw at a 45 all around and cleaned it up with 600 grit.  It is slightly flat on top, which feels better to me, less pressure in one spot.  The rounded stock screw was being cut into by the mating surface.  I polished it back up but after 50 shots it had grooves cut back into it, I guess my trigger internals are rough.

Adding a longer screw should only be done by a gunsmith and could make the gun inoperable or fire when not intended.  I did all adjustments at gun range for safety.  It was a small adjustment area, I put it in with 2mm showing as that was the difference but it was too far and the trigger would not move, I backed it out to 4mm and slowly turned in until it felt like stock, uncocked.  Then a 1/8 at time firing a pellet between adjustments until it felt good, tested the safety, then beat the butt with a rubber mallet with and without the safety on. Once at stock settings, not much more then a .5mm is needed.  It breaks at 3-3.5 lbs, could go lower but it is not needed(safer), long 1st stage with a short 2nd and breaks with almost no creep.  I had to screw in the 1st stage some with the new 2nd stage screw.  I rate it at 6 out of 10 with the new screw and breaks clean enough to not be a accuracy factor anymore.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 15, 2022, 05:42:27 PM
Any heavier .177 pellet recommendations?  Yogi’s statement about slowing the fps down seems like something to try or have a heavier option to switch to if needed.

It shoots the Gamo match 7.4g good and the H&N FTT 8.64g seem to group better then the Gamo.  I tried the CPHP 7.9g but almost all of them seem too big to fit without really forcing them?  I need to put a caliper on them and measure.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Back_Roads on August 15, 2022, 07:12:42 PM
 Try pellets in the 9.5 - 10.5 gr range.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Yogi on August 15, 2022, 09:08:39 PM
Learn the "quattro trigger pull"!  This is where you pull up slightly on the trigger, not straight back.
I let my finger follow the curve of the bottom of the trigger guard to get the right angle.
HTH?

-Y
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: lefteyeshot on August 15, 2022, 09:42:47 PM
15-16 in/lbs evidently is not enough. I tighten mine as tight as I can get them. The off set mount and stop behind the front ring is good. That's how i do my Strikers. I'd also put the turrets against the back ring. Work with that trigger adjustment. I adjust the Quatro with no first stage. It's not going to be light but will break clean.

Pull up on the trigger with the thumb on top of the stock and try squeezing the trigger between the trigger finger and thumb.

I adjust my Quatros front screw all the way in, second screw 1 1/2-2 turns out and the little screw behind the trigger out till it's about to fall out then lock tight it.

And artillery hold.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Lt. Dan on August 15, 2022, 11:27:55 PM
The Quattro trigger, I give it 3 out of 10.  I adjusted it per Hatsan’s youtube and after adjusting the 1st stage some.  Pretty much what was recommended was the best.  Working from butt to muzzle, rear set screw(# pull) from full out, turned in until some resistance is felt and then a 1/4 turn.  1st stage cap screw 1.5 turns out from full in, gives a long 1st stage and the shortest 2nd stage.  2nd stage cap screw, goes all the way in.  This measured 5-5.4 lbs of pull, the 2nd stage has what feels like 2 gritty stages before your at the break, which takes a little more pressure to fire. 

I was able to get decent groups, but took longer per shot than I would like and I feel this would really discourage a shooter with limited experience/skills.  I have seen enough posts complaining of big groups and shotgun patterns, I believe this is probably the main issue, besides hold.

I got a longer M3x.50, 14mm long cap screw for the sear 2nd stage adjust.  I beveled the end of the screw at a 45 all around and cleaned it up with 600 grit.  It is slightly flat on top, which feels better to me, less pressure in one spot.  The rounded stock screw was being cut into by the mating surface.  I polished it back up but after 50 shots it had grooves cut back into it, I guess my trigger internals are rough.

Adding a longer screw should only be done by a gunsmith and could make the gun inoperable or fire when not intended.  I did all adjustments at gun range for safety.  It was a small adjustment area, I put it in with 2mm showing as that was the difference but it was too far and the trigger would not move, I backed it out to 4mm and slowly turned in until it felt like stock, uncocked.  Then a 1/8 at time firing a pellet between adjustments until it felt good, tested the safety, then beat the butt with a rubber mallet with and without the safety on. Once at stock settings, not much more then a .5mm is needed.  It breaks at 3-3.5 lbs, could go lower but it is not needed(safer), long 1st stage with a short 2nd and breaks with almost no creep.  I had to screw in the 1st stage some with the new 2nd stage screw.  I rate it at 6 out of 10 with the new screw and breaks clean enough to not be a accuracy factor anymore.
I found this in my records, don't remember where it came from.

Hatsan’s Quattro trigger is one of the most sophisticated airgun triggers on the market today.  It has 3 user-adjustable settings via 3 adjustment screws. Starting from the front of the rifle:

Adjuster #1: Closest screw to the muzzle. This screw sets the initial depth of sear engagement, or overall trigger travel.

Adjuster #2: Middle screw.  This screw sets the point at which your 2nd stage engages.

Adjuster #3: Rear screw. This screw adjusts the final pull weight of the trigger.  DO NOT over-adjust this screw, as there must be enough spring pressure to set the sear when cocking your gun!

Here are some adjustment pointers for those who wish to fine tune your triggers.  Make only small adjustments to one screw at a time so that you can easily reset if you make a mistake and over-adjust your trigger. 
*Exercise caution when making trigger adjustments.*  It is a good practice to take notes and/or photos of your initial working trigger settings so that you can return to that point should you need to start over.

Break-Barrel and Under-Lever Airguns

Adjuster #1 is a cap-head screw and is best left all the way in (clockwise) for best trigger feel.

Adjuster #2 is a cap-head screw and can be set to the shooter’s preference, but do not set more than 1.5 turns out or the gun may not fire. If you experience a failure to fire, re-set this screw all the way in and start over with your adjustments.

Adjuster #3 is a set or “grub” screw and is adjusted with a 1.5mm hex key.  With approximately 2 threads exposed, it is at its lightest setting.  Unscrewing it beyond this does not lighten the trigger pull any further, and may interfere with the trigger blade if it is too far out.

If you need help, please contact our Customer Service Department for assistance.

Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: lefteyeshot on August 16, 2022, 12:40:57 AM
Yep, that's what I said
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Yogi on August 16, 2022, 03:30:23 AM
All good stuff.
The Quattro trigger is not bad.  Has adjustability and is usable. 8)

-Y
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 16, 2022, 03:19:15 PM
I will get JSB and H&N 10 grain pellets and give them a go.

The trigger is good to go with the longer screw.  It breaks clean enough, that I don’t think about it while shooting. 

I also use the trigger guard as guide, with the thumb on top, thanks to advice here. 

I measured the CPHP at 4.52-4.57 and the FTT at 4.48-4.50.  I guess thats the fitment issue with the CPHP.

I shot another 50 pellets and the scope/rings have not moved, I have it marked with painters tape now.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 16, 2022, 07:20:30 PM
I have 200 pellets through it now.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 19, 2022, 04:34:27 PM
Ordered new pellets, I hope one of these shoots consistently.

CPUM 10.5g
H&N Cuda 10.65g 4.52
AA Diabolo 8.44g 4.52
AA Heavy 10.34g 4.52
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: lefteyeshot on August 19, 2022, 05:18:30 PM
I'd try 8.2 grs RWS Meisterkugeln w/c and/or RWS R-10 Match 8.2 grs w/c.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 19, 2022, 07:40:46 PM
I'd try 8.2 grs RWS Meisterkugeln w/c and/or RWS R-10 Match 8.2 grs w/c.

If these don’t work, I will try those RWS pellets out.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 23, 2022, 09:20:34 PM
The Good: The AA diabolo 8.44 and the H&N Cuda 10.65 put down nice concentric groups.  CPUM and the AA Heavy didn’t group very well.

The Bad: The scope slid back in the front ring and the rear ring moved back on dovetail, so about 200 pellets it held firm.

Now at 300 pellets through the tube.  I will do some Chrono work on all the pellets I have shot so far and post it up.

Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 27, 2022, 10:55:33 AM
I took the scope off and shot a .6 inch 5 shot group at 20 yrds with irons using the AA 8.44, the irons work well but are more work.

Advice from gloob and Blowpipe Sam in Mixonja scope thread, I ordered the UTG offset one piece mount and will move the recoil lug to the rear and butt the turret against the rear ring.  This should keep everything from moving. 
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: gloob on August 28, 2022, 03:44:45 PM
Just an FYI, if you do the turret against rear ring, rear ring positive stop, I have had no issues with regular scope rings even on my gas rams. I mean, I don't see a good reason to use a 1 pc, unless your rifle doesn't have a scope stop or stop pin.

When you butt the turret against the rear ring on a 1 pc, it just looks weird.  And it won't work on compact scopes; the bell will touch the front ring, first.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 30, 2022, 07:39:22 AM
I got the UTG offset one piece mount on and as you can see, my scope has a shoulder on both sides of the turret that is slightly tapered and this is butted up to the rear ring.  The space between the rings on this mount is 1.5” and the BSA Outlook 4x32 AO just fit, It centered on the dovetail perfectly once the clamp plate was flipped to the short side.  Probably the UTG extended dove to pic rail adapter and separate rings would have been better, but this was cheaper.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on August 31, 2022, 08:57:47 PM
Chrono Numbers: FPS, 91 degrees F, 34% RH, 3 shot groups, gun has 400 pellets through it.

CPHP 7.9g
974
975
983

AA Diabolo 8.44g
944
947
951

H&N FTT 8.64g
931
937
943

AA Heavy 10.34g
857
859
862

CPUM 10.5g
817
824
835

H&N Cuda 10.65g
821
822
826

Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on September 02, 2022, 09:04:26 PM
Any ideas why the recoil would try and engage the safety?

The safety is half engaging when firing, so after the shot the safety is half set and the trigger stays back.  When you cock it, load a pellet and close the barrel, the safety is set on, trigger resets and everything is normal.

After sighting the scope back in and shooting 50 pellets, I did a .3” 5 shot group at 10yrds and a .5” at 20yrds.  The rear stock screw is now loose, I will put 222 purple loctite on it and tighten it back down.  Not sure if a loose stock/receiver screw would mess with the safety, I wouldn’t think so.

The scope or mount has not moved at all, it’s had 80-90 pellets on the new setup!
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Back_Roads on September 03, 2022, 12:04:42 AM
 It could, as  IIR it is auto safety, and the linkage may find some interference if rear screw is loose. You may want to pull the action from the stock and inspect the linkage for rubbing etc., and while at it clean all oils off the stock screw holes and screws and apply preferably blue lock tite, or vibra tite.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on September 04, 2022, 04:10:56 PM
It could, as  IIR it is auto safety, and the linkage may find some interference if rear screw is loose. You may want to pull the action from the stock and inspect the linkage for rubbing etc., and while at it clean all oils off the stock screw holes and screws and apply preferably blue lock tite, or vibra tite.

I took the screw out, cleaned it and the screw hole.  I put blue on it and tightened back down.  I would say it was probably a turn loose. 

The safety and trigger are operating normally now.  So, yes that rear stock screw being loose was causing the issue.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Blowpipe Sam on September 05, 2022, 10:58:02 PM
The recoil of my .22 cal mod 95 will reset the safety like that.  Only does it when I shoot light pellets though. The action screws are all tight on mine so that’s not the problem. I think it’s related to how the Quattro trigger is adjusted.  I use that handy UTG cantilever mount on my mod 95 and my Striker.  It has held up well over a couple years of testing.
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on September 06, 2022, 09:49:03 PM
The recoil of my .22 cal mod 95 will reset the safety like that.  Only does it when I shoot light pellets though. The action screws are all tight on mine so that’s not the problem. I think it’s related to how the Quattro trigger is adjusted.  I use that handy UTG cantilever mount on my mod 95 and my Striker.  It has held up well over a couple years of testing.

Has it caused any issues?  Mine started doing it again today, so action screws are not the cause, like you said.  I’m not worried as when re-cocked everything is set back to normal and the safety works.  I’ll shoot the h&n cuda 10.65 and see if it has any effect. 
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Blowpipe Sam on September 06, 2022, 10:50:15 PM
It hasn’t been even a safety issue so far.  I treat the safety as more of a loaded chamber indicator so sometimes it confuses me when the safety resets.  I’m shooting 17-18gr pellets in the gun right now and it isn’t a problem.  If I shoot 14.3gr CPHP it will reset about half the time.  If the gun is pointed upward it will reset every time.  Obviously a recoil issue.  But where?
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on September 11, 2022, 03:46:21 PM
Todays session using the H&N Cuda 10.65g, small folding camp table and front bag.  The safety reset went away after using my hand between the gun and bag.  That dropped shot happens sometimes and the recoil always sounds different when it does it.   

.5-.6” 5 shot groups @ 20yrds.

Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: mikeyb on September 13, 2022, 06:59:52 AM
The Hatsan Mod95 manual safety should have a very firm and obvious CLICK when pushing it from safe to fire. You should be able to manually engage (pull) the safety and feel the same obvious CLICK. It may be more difficult to perform the latter action because the manual thumb safety slide is much easier to PUSH than PULL.

Are you are getting a good clean "CLICK" when using the manual safety slide?

If no then further investigation is needed. I always buy refurbished Mod95s so I've seen some odd assembly errors, damaged wishbone parts, and oversized inletting which can contribute to safety malfunctions. The assembly errors are easy to correct... just put the parts where they are supposed to go. The damaged wishbones are a mystery to me. Are the parts installed damaged from the factory or are they mangled by ham-handed previous owners? I'll probably never know.

A few light hammer blows on an anvil to re-flatten the wishbone parts with a little cleanup using some needle files and all my mangled Quattro wishbones look (nearly) prefect.

The stock inletting problems can be repaired with small hand-shaped piece of hardwood and a drop of glue.

Once all the trigger/safety parts are restored/repaired and assembled properly I don't have any Quattro trigger/safety issues.

FYI... high pressure trigger sear surfaces usually get a tiny (dipped toothpick) dab of moly paste and I like to use a light synthetic oil (similar to sewing machine oil) on most of remaining trigger parts. I use a dab of grease on the spring+ballbearing+thumbslide safety detent because the tacky grease tends to keep the little parts together during assembly. I have LOST at least one of the plastic factory ballbearings, spring launched to somewhere unknown during assembly. I substituted a similar sized steel ballbearing and cannot detect any difference in safety "feel".

If the safety click is solid and the recoil is still partially moving the safety, I am stumped.


I get occasional fliers from my oldest Mod95-22 (spring power with custom long/snug spring guide) when shooting CPHP pellets. Most CPHP pellets FIT that particular breech just snug. Those fly true, group well, and chronograph with consistent velocity. The "shot cycle" also feels normal to me, a single solid thump with no spring vibrations.

In every tin there are a few pellets that either fit VERY tight or loose in the breech. THOSE pellets will almost always spread the grouping and chronograph numbers. The loose ones also change the shot cycle a noticeable amount making it a harsh slammy thump. Shot cycle feels normal for the tight fit pellets but they still tend to be fliers.

Fliers are also due to "shooter error" (me) if my grip placement, grip force, cheekweld position/pressure, trigger motion, or FOLLOW THROUGH are anything but perfect. Seems fussy but most of my springers (many low cost brands & models) behave that way.

Dime groups at 20 yards seems like a "good" Mod95 (and shooter) to me :-)
Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on September 14, 2022, 06:23:07 PM
The Hatsan Mod95 manual safety should have a very firm and obvious CLICK when pushing it from safe to fire. You should be able to manually engage (pull) the safety and feel the same obvious CLICK. It may be more difficult to perform the latter action because the manual thumb safety slide is much easier to PUSH than PULL.

Are you are getting a good clean "CLICK" when using the manual safety slide?

If no then further investigation is needed.

The safety has a positive detent in and out with a good audible click each way.  Didn’t know you could manually do that!  Thanks for all the info, if it breaks and I open her up, I’ll put it to use. 

I can call my mistakes and these are gun related, probably is pellet tolerances, I just use them straight from the tin.  It does seem to shoot pretty good.  The 95 has me hooked, thinking about a PCP now.  I love shooting my precision rifles, but it’s nice to just go out in the yard and practice. 

Title: Re: Hatsan 95 Adventure
Post by: Jay308 on October 05, 2022, 08:16:37 PM
The 95 is still shooting good and the scope/mount has not moved.  600 pellets down the tube.  Out shot a buddies Gamo Swarm the other day, I wasn’t surprised but he was lol.

I ordered a AA TX200 in .177, so stoked and obviously hooked now!

I hope this thread helps new Hatsan owners.  For the money the 95 performs very good, $1 trigger screw, loctite on the rear stock screw and rear sight screw is all that needs done.