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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Bicycleman on March 28, 2022, 05:41:27 PM
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Sometime during 2021, I purchased a Daisy Powerline 880 at Walmart. A friend needed to get rid of pigeons that were messing up his tractor shed/barn. However, the pigeons either left of became cat food before he had a chance to use the rifle.
I had sighted the rifle at about 10 yards with Crosman Premier Destroyers .177 caliber (4.5 mm) 7.4 gr pellets. It is very accurate with those pellets at short range. I have dispatched several Brown Headed Cowbirds with it. I was using two or three pumps and knocking them over dead with side body shots.
Today, I saw that my Judy had a McCormick Black Pepper dispenser that was empty. So I stuffed an old face towel/washcloth inside the little plastic container and used it as a target. The first shot (two pumps) didn't penetrate the plastic. [The pellet came flying back in my direction.] Three pumps didn't penetrate the plastic either. Finally, after pumping four times, the Destroyer went into the wash cloth.
Conclusion: This accurate little rifle will kill Brown Headed Cowbirds with two pumps. Brown Headed Cowbirds evidently are not as hard to kill as a McCormick Black Pepper dispenser.
My apologies if you are offended by seeing this thread in the PCP Gate. But this rifle is actually a PreCharged Pneumatic by definition.
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Mike, I am so offended by your post! I"m gonna call my Moma and tell on you :) BTW my go to gun at home is my Daisy 880. My neighbors are none the wiser when shooting the 880 and it is a true squirrelminator!!!
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Oh, I am in trouble now!
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Okay, I don't get it, how is the 880 a "precharged pneumatic"?
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This rifle has an air cylinder. The cylinder is charged by pumping air into the rifle. Now the rifle is pre-charged. Once a pellet is loaded into the rifle, it is then ready to shoot. The air pushes the pellet out the barrel - thus completing the cycle for this rifle.
The steps are simple and the results are great!
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My Daisy 901 shoots every pellet I've tried great at 5 pumps and under. I've only found one pellet it likes at 10 pumps. I spend most of my time shooting it at 2 or 3 pumps.
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Eddie, I was sitting here trying to remember if I had ever pumped this rifle more than six times. I have come to the conclusion that six pumps was the maximum. And that was when I first brought it home from Walmart. I guess I will be pumping it up a little more today and shooting that poor little Black Pepper container.
That pepper container is not going to be too happy about that!
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LOL, we do have an American airguns gate with sections devoted to Crosman and Daisy.
Still, I will concur the 880 is a great bird-blaster. Those soda-straw barrels are quite accurate- you outta try RWS Meiterkugeln wadcutters in 'em. I do recommend securing the barrel with some electrical tape, or use one of Geo's 3d-printed LDCs.
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One of these day, I guess I will have to visit the American Airguns Gate.
Thanks for the advice, Peter. The electrical tape idea is a keeper.
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LOL, we do have an American airguns gate with sections devoted to Crosman and Daisy.
Still, I will concur the 880 is a great bird-blaster. Those soda-straw barrels are quite accurate- you outta try RWS Meiterkugeln wadcutters in 'em. I do recommend securing the barrel with some electrical tape, or use one of Geo's 3d-printed LDCs.
I like Meisterkugelns too. I recently pick up a bunch of H&N excite econ IIs, and they seem to be just as accurate and really cheap.
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I am shooting my 880 with Daisy Precision Max Wadcutters made in Spain with great results. 3 pumps hitting quarter size targets at 15 yards. It's a great pellet for back yard plinking. Pyramid has them at 7.8 grains. My 880 also likes the Crosman Hollow Points 7.9 grains.
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I missed a shot at a House Sparrow yesterday. So, I decided to check the accuracy at my indoor shooting range [the attic]. At 10 yards, I shot three shots and had one ragged hole.
Conclusion: I missed a shot at a House Sparrow yesterday.
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I am enjoying my New Daisy 880 w/scope from Walmart $60.00. I am so happy with the accuracy with open sights right outa the box ;D I am 10-18 yards from my targets. Shooing the Daisy ShatterBlasts. And then pick up the broken pieces and shoot them. I use Daisy wadcutters made in Spain and CPHP. Both pellets shoot very well out of my gun, meaning I am hitting my targets I aim at.
So, little thought here was wondering what others think. I was contemplating on ordering a few/bunch of different pellets. JSB 7.3 JSB 8.4 and some different brand wadcutters. I was going to buy some Polymags. But, after some research it seems I don't need them reasons being the 880 really is not powerful enough to take advantage of the Polymags. What I understand is they won't mushroom enough with the power of an 880. I think I can do kills with Wadcutters, CPHP and JSB's. This is my take and your millage may vary.
My main point is it worth spending say $100.00 buying different pellets when the Daisy and Crosman's I have work well. I know the fun part of air guns is trying different pellets :D Or just stick with what shoots well.
Just wanted to share my thoughts with everyone. I am happy to be a part of this forum. I am learning a lot form you guys and enjoy reading and posting on here ;)
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Mostly, I shoot the Crosman Premier "DESTROYER" 7.4 gr pellets. They give me hole-in-hole accuracy at about 10 yards. When I run out, I shoot the Benjamin Discovery pellets until I get to Walmart for more "DESTROYER" pellets. The accuracy is better with the "DESTROYER" pellets - but they are almost the same.
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I could not help my self, just placed a small order of pellets. I figured I buy some cheaper ones and see how these do. I am sure eventually I'll be buying different ones down the road :D
This is my order placed today at Pyramyd:
2-H&H Excite Econ II wadcutter 7.4 gr
1-RWS Hobby wadcutter 7.0 gr
1-Olympia Hobby round nose 7.8 gr
I am going stay in the 7 grain range for now. I am kind of liking the wadcutters. The CPHP are fantastic!
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The last three 880's I've had all preferred different pellets. One was freakishly accurate after the tape mod (to 50+ yards) with CPHP's (a buddy nicknamed it "The Lazer"), the next liked Beeman Silver Arrow 11.5gr(?) and the latest one does best with H&N Barracuda Hunters. Unfortunately, the one coined The Laser wasn't taken care of very well and was scraped for parts. I hadn't realized at the time that every barrel would be a little different. Its replacement is due for maintenance/rebuild as the valve no longer retains air (pushes out the barrel). That had given over a decade of trouble free service and has sent many thousands of pellets down range. Couldn't say how many critters/pests have fallen to it, but I'm positive still more than the rest of my entire gun collection (AG & pb) combined. The 880 is probably one of the most underrated airguns but often they offer a lot, especially for the price.
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My first 880S was bought a few weeks ago from Walmart and was pretty accurate. I then ordered another 880 with no scope, directly from Daisy and that shot 2" right and real low out of the box. This one I have, again this 880S from Walmart shoots better than the first one. So, I know every barrel is different. It's a lottery to get one rifle that shoots good.
And yes, I agree that some pellets shoot better than others, and trying different pellets is worth it. So, I am going to experiment a little and see.
My first BB gun was a Daisy, but not an 880. A few years later my second BB gun was a Crosman 760. This is my first 880 and am very impressed with it. I hear good things about these 880's. I have bought a few Crosman's lately and not impressed with QC and how that shoot. I agree with you "The 880 is probably one of the most underrated air guns..."
I have not shot this one on paper. This is a back yard plinker and if I am hitting tin cans and 2" disks and quarter size targets at 10-18 yards away, I am happy. I also feel confident as a squirrel, chipmunk or house sparrow gun at these distances.
I just got "lucky" with this 880 and the pellets I am shooting.
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Pellets can give very different results and varying distances. Once they get past a certain distance they can spiral or even tumble. Wind and air density can also affect results at longer ranges.
I find it best to test my pellets at varied distances within my intended ranges.
I'm not talking about sighting in or zeroing the scope... I'm saying a pellet can be hole on hole at 10 yards and the same pellet with the same gun can throw shotgun patterns at 30 yards and beyond.
Case in point...
I was testing my cast 217 20 RF pellets yesterday with my GAMO Urban. At 25, 35 and 40ish yards I was getting dime groups. But when I stretched it out to the 50 yard target it was throwing 3" groups. Even hold over can't fix that.
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Pellets can give very different results and varying distances. Once they get past a certain distance they can spiral or even tumble. Wind and air density can also affect results at longer ranges.
I find it best to test my pellets at varied distances within my intended ranges.
I'm not talking about sighting in or zeroing the scope... I'm saying a pellet can be hole on hole at 10 yards and the same pellet with the same gun can throw shotgun patterns at 30 yards and beyond.
Case in point...
I was testing my cast 217 20 RF pellets yesterday with my GAMO Urban. At 25, 35 and 40ish yards I was getting dime groups. But when I stretched it out to the 50 yard target it was throwing 3" groups. Even hold over can't fix that.
I've had this happen with the newer style Daisy/Winchester hollow point pellets. They shoot great from a few of my guns, pumpers, springers and pcp's... As long as ranges are kept under 40 yards. At first I thought it was an over-stabilization issue from shooting too fast but even at low speeds grouping falls apart at further ranges. I still keep a decent supply on hand though, as they're a fantastic and affordable pellet for plinking or light pest duties. They work well in guns that range from 5fpe to 16fpe, but they really shine at 15-16fpe (around 975fps @ muzzle) and within 40 yards. These are my go to pellet for my Maximus, but have used the with my 880's with results that were good enough to do what was needed.
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Pellets can give very different results and varying distances. Once they get past a certain distance they can spiral or even tumble. Wind and air density can also affect results at longer ranges.
I find it best to test my pellets at varied distances within my intended ranges.
I'm not talking about sighting in or zeroing the scope... I'm saying a pellet can be hole on hole at 10 yards and the same pellet with the same gun can throw shotgun patterns at 30 yards and beyond.
Case in point...
I was testing my cast 217 20 RF pellets yesterday with my GAMO Urban. At 25, 35 and 40ish yards I was getting dime groups. But when I stretched it out to the 50 yard target it was throwing 3" groups. Even hold over can't fix that.
I've had this happen with the newer style Daisy/Winchester hollow point pellets. They shoot great from a few of my guns, pumpers, springers and pcp's... As long as ranges are kept under 40 yards. At first I thought it was an over-stabilization issue from shooting too fast but even at low speeds grouping falls apart at further ranges. I still keep a decent supply on hand though, as they're a fantastic and affordable pellet for plinking or light pest duties. They work well in guns that range from 5fpe to 16fpe, but they really shine at 15-16fpe (around 975fps @ muzzle) and within 40 yards. These are my go to pellet for my Maximus, but have used the with my 880's with results that were good enough to do what was needed.
Yep... many pellets are great for plinking and shooting at measured ranges but not so much in a hunting scenario where distances to targets are rarely the same from shot to shot.
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Just past my 500 rounds in this sweet 880 :D ND30 oil 2 drops on foam wiper and pivot points, plus a little on the bolt O-ring. My order of pellets came today. RWS Hobby shot ok, Olympia Hobby 7.89 round nose did really good and the H&N Econ II wadcutters 7.5 AWESOME! I shoot 12ish to 16ish yards at quarterish size targets open sights. For right now that is my range.
Started out with the Daisy Precision Max wadcutters 7.8 are super accurate. Then the CPHP 7.9 shoot as good. Now the Econ II shoot as good or better than the Daisy's.
Been pumping 3 times for each shot. Tried 2 pumps and mmmm...3 is better.
So, I was going to keep trying more and pellets. But I think I found 2 great pellets the Daisy 880 likes: Daisy's and Econ II's. I am just plinking in the back yard and happy how the 880 and the wadcutters are shooing. No real need to buy different pellets. Though down the road I may try JSB 7.33?
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Over 1,000K pellets now ;D The Daisy wadcutters are very dirty pellets. Fingers get lots of lead on them from picking them up, whereas the Econ II's are way less dirty. In my gun both Daisy and Econ's are pretty much the same accuracy. I only pump 3 times I am shooting maximum 16 yards. And a 7.4 wadcutter seems to like that.
Tried the RWS Hobby pellets. Because the pellets have such a flat nose, they require a bit of force to chamber. The other wadcutters I am using have a slightly beveled nose which helps. No forcing at all with these.
Past few days it's been very windy, and can see how the wind affects the pellet. I am keeping the hinge lubricated with the ND30 oil every 200 or so shots and the foam wiper 500 shots.
880 is holding up so well and it's accuracy is amazing.
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3,000 pellets now ;D Bought some RWS cleaning pellets. Ballistol soaked 1 pellet , pumped 2 times, shot it out and was followed by 1 dry pellet, 2 pumps and fired out. Dry pellet came out black! So I did this a few times. I will put some cleaning pellets through every 500 shots.
I know there is some who don't like cleaning pellets. I have all ways used a Patchworm kit for my air rifles. But, now I will use these RWS cleaning pellets to clean my Daisy 880 ;)
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if you are liking the 880 that much you should try a winchester 1977 same basic gun just a lot more power and nicer feel mine scoped is fantastic
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Yes, I have seen that air rifle. I am not a fan of the thumb stock and more power. I like the 880 a lot.
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880 is a fine gun, The Winchester just feels and shoots a wee bit better IMO, but power is not always needed. I kept an eye on the bargain gate for the best deal on a Winchester when I got mine, all my 880's are used I bought a lot of off Ebay for $30 a piece. Have fun :)
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The 880 almost turned me off airguns in the '70s as a youth.... but then I bought a 342.
So when my own Grand Sons came of age I bought them a MODEL 35. ::)
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I am about 18 yards away from my targets. I shoot Daisy Shatterblats that I break up into quarters. I am using the H&N Excites Econ II wadcutters 7.4 gr and only do 2 pumps. Amazing accuracy with this sweet rifle! And it hits the targets and shatters them!
I like pellets in the 7 gr. range, I just tried some JSB 7.33 they shoot well. For me I enjoy back yard plinking. The gun is so silent which makes it neighbor friendly.
I have contemplated on a PCP rifle. For now I don't need the power and possible a suppressor. Possibly a low powered springer or CO2 down the road. I am going to stay with .177 cal.
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Today I set up 2 tin cans @ +/- 30 yds. Tried RWS Hobbys and H&N Icon II pellets wadcutters. 2 pumps and hit the cans no problem! Pellets just hit ;D it is a joy to shoot this 880. Pumped 6 times and hitting the cans harder, one is a bean can little heavier than the coke can. I can say I am putting holes in the coke can not sure I am putting holes in the bean can. Tomorrow, I will check it out.
But again, for a back yard pinker, this is one swell rifle :D :D :D
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Yup, I put some holes in the cans. At 2 pumps at that distance the pellets just hit them. Obviously have to pump up the 880 a few times to do any damage.
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I am finding out my 880 is not pellet picky. JSB 7.33 OLYMPIA HOBBY 7.8 RWS HOBBY 7.0 and ECON II 7.4 DAISY Chines wadcutters and CPHP all work well. These are all 7+ grain pellet. I will be trying a few 8+ grain pellets next 2 weeks and see.