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Can I use AR-15 Open sights on any air gun provided they have a way to mount the font and rear sight post on? I know how to mount the iron sights to my pellet guns. I’m just not sure how effective they might be?
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They work, I have done it more than once.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7638)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8439)
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They work, I have done it more than once.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7638)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8439)
Great to know! I’m thinking about getting some sights. Can they be positioned any length? And how many feet are they accurate up too?
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I am trying to get a peep sight set up on my aea airgun. Looks like you have a 3-D print clamped onto the end there, that is a good way to do it. I had printed one that slipped over the end but just friction fit. Works ok but can slip if bumped obviously. I am going to follow your example, thank you
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On the Hatsan 125, I used a riser mount on the rear sight, and a scope flashlight mount on the muzzle break to get proper alignment. the 2260 AR I used Buck Rail barrel mounts and lined them up with the reflex dot sight for a co-witness setup. If one has issues with bumping sights out of alignment use contact cement to give them more grip, I just made sure the barrels were free of oils etc. before mounting, and used maximum torque to set them firm.
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Anyone know what the distance between the front and rear sight have to be to get 1/4 or 1/2 MOA adjustments?
A Magpul sight listed as 0.5MOA with a 20" sight radius.
Using iron sights, is there enough elevation to get out to 100yrds?
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They work, I have done it more than once.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7638)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8439)
How did you get that AR15 handguard on the 2240? Also how accurate are the AR15 open sights on the 2240?
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They work, I have done it more than once.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=7638)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8439)
How did you get that AR15 handguard on the 2240? Also how accurate are the AR15 open sights on the 2240?
AR hand grip is attached with existing screw hole in front of the trigger, the grip has a tab with a hole that lines right up, but needed a washer and longer screw. in front the Buck Rail weaver mount was installed and with the aid of a small bar clamp pulled snug before tightening the screws for it.
AR sights are way better than OEM, and for that mater the reflex sight that is set up as a co-witness for darker situations or the like.
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You can see the sight picture through the reflex? That's pretty slick if so.
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https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=184352.msg156106214#msg156106214 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=184352.msg156106214#msg156106214)
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https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=184352.msg156106214#msg156106214 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=184352.msg156106214#msg156106214)
I would like to get a set of AR15 style sights myself, which ones did you get? The Chinese MFG's are just pumping these out at an incredible rate and there are so many different styles. Is it really worth it to buy some high end American sights like Magpul?
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got the last two sets off ebay... one set (on the RR) was like 9.oo shipped (shoulda been my first clue...) and the other IIRC around 15.00
classic case of you get what ya pay for. the 15 dollar set is good enough.
Goig with MagPul IMO would depend on what you are using the gun for, and the cost of the gun. There are decent Chinese sights out there, but do spend a little more than 9 :)
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Here are the ones I used https://www.amazon.com/Ozark-Armament-Micro-Backup-Sights/dp/B071746KSB (https://www.amazon.com/Ozark-Armament-Micro-Backup-Sights/dp/B071746KSB)
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You can see the sight picture through the reflex? That's pretty slick if so.
I literally just finished setting something like this up for my upgraded .25 talon P. (18” LW barrel and modded valve shooting at 75 + fpe with 45-55 grain slugs.
Works perfectly to confirm zero, rear sight is a flip up Feyachi. Front sight is a random high profile metal pin type sight that you can rotate to change elevation but it is a pain to adjust. The high elevation front sight on a pic rail I had lying around lines up perfectly with the rear peep and reflex. I had to try two different sights and Picatinny adapters to find the sweet spot.
What’s great is that the illumination for the reflex sight makes it easier to use the Peepsight because in an environment where the front sight is hard to differentiate from the background you can turn on illumination and use the reticle of the reflex and ensure center via the peep sight.
As you can see even when the camera is brought we out of alignment the reticle still appears to be in the correct place, so this budget Amazon (Chinese) sight corrects parallax error perfectly to my eyes.
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The range and accuracy of the AR sight "depends."
The military qualifications with iron sights were/are WAY farther than I would shoot a pellet rifle.
How far can YOU shoot YOUR rifle, with accuracy?
How good are your eyes and iron sight technique.
There is ZERO magnification, so it all comes down to you.
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You can see the sight picture through the reflex? That's pretty slick if so.
I literally just finished setting something like this up for my upgraded .25 talon P. (18” LW barrel and modded valve shooting at 75 + fpe with 45-55 grain slugs.
Works perfectly to confirm zero, rear sight is a flip up Feyachi. Front sight is a random high profile metal pin type sight that you can rotate to change elevation but it is a pain to adjust. The high elevation front sight on a pic rail I had lying around lines up perfectly with the rear peep and reflex. I had to try two different sights and Picatinny adapters to find the sweet spot.
What’s great is that the illumination for the reflex sight makes it easier to use the Peepsight because in an environment where the front sight is hard to differentiate from the background you can turn on illumination and use the reticle of the reflex and ensure center via the peep sight.
As you can see even when the camera is brought we out of alignment the reticle still appears to be in the correct place, so this budget Amazon (Chinese) sight corrects parallax error perfectly to my eyes.
I could definitely see something like that happening for my Stormrider, but not sure if the rest o my PCP's have enough length to make it work. I know M4's don't have that much space between sights, so maybe it wouldn't be too bad.
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The range and accuracy of the AR sight "depends."
The military qualifications with iron sights were/are WAY farther than I would shoot a pellet rifle.
How far can YOU shoot YOUR rifle, with accuracy?
How good are your eyes and iron sight technique.
There is ZERO magnification, so it all comes down to you.
I am going to find out when the sights get here . . . oh, and the snow melts.
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You can see the sight picture through the reflex? That's pretty slick if so.
I literally just finished setting something like this up for my upgraded .25 talon P. (18” LW barrel and modded valve shooting at 75 + fpe with 45-55 grain slugs.
Works perfectly to confirm zero, rear sight is a flip up Feyachi. Front sight is a random high profile metal pin type sight that you can rotate to change elevation but it is a pain to adjust. The high elevation front sight on a pic rail I had lying around lines up perfectly with the rear peep and reflex. I had to try two different sights and Picatinny adapters to find the sweet spot.
What’s great is that the illumination for the reflex sight makes it easier to use the Peepsight because in an environment where the front sight is hard to differentiate from the background you can turn on illumination and use the reticle of the reflex and ensure center via the peep sight.
As you can see even when the camera is brought we out of alignment the reticle still appears to be in the correct place, so this budget Amazon (Chinese) sight corrects parallax error perfectly to my eyes.
I could definitely see something like that happening for my Stormrider, but not sure if the rest o my PCP's have enough length to make it work. I know M4's don't have that much space between sights, so maybe it wouldn't be too bad.
For the front sight I used a rail that extends as a shelf beyond the end of the dovetail it is mounted to. If you had one in the front and one in the back they could add 3” of space I think.
I just decided to set this gun up with open sights just for an alternative shooting experience and for off hand close range plinking or target shooting. My eyes and the amount of ambient light are definitely the limits in terms of my being able to hit something small or dimly lit.
I don’t know why those sights don’t come with the necessary tool to adjust the height of the front post. Came with a bunch of Allen keys that I don’t need but nothing to help me actually adjust elevation.
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You can see the sight picture through the reflex? That's pretty slick if so.
I literally just finished setting something like this up for my upgraded .25 talon P. (18” LW barrel and modded valve shooting at 75 + fpe with 45-55 grain slugs.
Works perfectly to confirm zero, rear sight is a flip up Feyachi. Front sight is a random high profile metal pin type sight that you can rotate to change elevation but it is a pain to adjust. The high elevation front sight on a pic rail I had lying around lines up perfectly with the rear peep and reflex. I had to try two different sights and Picatinny adapters to find the sweet spot.
What’s great is that the illumination for the reflex sight makes it easier to use the Peepsight because in an environment where the front sight is hard to differentiate from the background you can turn on illumination and use the reticle of the reflex and ensure center via the peep sight.
As you can see even when the camera is brought we out of alignment the reticle still appears to be in the correct place, so this budget Amazon (Chinese) sight corrects parallax error perfectly to my eyes.
I could definitely see something like that happening for my Stormrider, but not sure if the rest o my PCP's have enough length to make it work. I know M4's don't have that much space between sights, so maybe it wouldn't be too bad.
For the front sight I used a rail that extends as a shelf beyond the end of the dovetail it is mounted to. If you had one in the front and one in the back they could add 3” of space I think.
I just decided to set this gun up with open sights just for an alternative shooting experience and for off hand close range plinking or target shooting. My eyes and the amount of ambient light are definitely the limits in terms of my being able to hit something small or dimly lit.
I don’t know why those sights don’t come with the necessary tool to adjust the height of the front post. Came with a bunch of Allen keys that I don’t need but nothing to help me actually adjust elevation.
At range day we used to adjust our sights with the tip of a bullet, but I tried to remember a multi tool, or better yet the actual tool: https://www.amazon.com/Real-Avid-Front-Sight-Adjuster/dp/B00IOF60LQ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1TZQMH8572VNG&keywords=m4+front+sight+tool&qid=1647460320&sprefix=m4+front+sight+tool%2Caps%2C619&sr=8-1 (https://www.amazon.com/Real-Avid-Front-Sight-Adjuster/dp/B00IOF60LQ/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1TZQMH8572VNG&keywords=m4+front+sight+tool&qid=1647460320&sprefix=m4+front+sight+tool%2Caps%2C619&sr=8-1)
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I ordered one of those same tools this morning in fact and it will be here tomorrow. Looks nothing like what I assumed it would look like, but it makes sense now that I see it.
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If we can use them at 600 yards shooting service rifle high power competitions, you can shoot them on an air rifle.
We usually shot "pumpkin on a post" holding the top of the front post at the bottom of the black bull on the target, with elevation adjusted accordingly.
Since you are shooting known distances, it is not a problem. I did have to set up my front post and grind it down to about .030 thick. I had to do this because my sight picture looked more like a pumpkin on a garage door instead of a pumpkin on a post.
As you went from 200 to 300 and to 600 yards, the size of the black on the target got larger, so the sight picture remained the same.
The only thing that changed was your sight dope elevation.
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I got a set of these to put on my Armada.
Set at 20 inches apart.
Now if the snow would melt.
Ultradyne C2 Sight Set Flip-Up Aperture Front, Flip-Up Rear: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022421473?pid=508683 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022421473?pid=508683)
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I am trying to get a peep sight set up on my aea airgun. Looks like you have a 3-D print clamped onto the end there, that is a good way to do it. I had printed one that slipped over the end but just friction fit. Works ok but can slip if bumped obviously. I am going to follow your example, thank you
You could probably drill and tap the rail you made for a set screw or 2.
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I got a set of these to put on my Armada.
Set at 20 inches apart.
Now if the snow would melt.
Ultradyne C2 Sight Set Flip-Up Aperture Front, Flip-Up Rear: https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022421473?pid=508683 (https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1022421473?pid=508683)
Based off my first go, the front sight post need more elevation to even get on paper at 35yrds.
Have to wait for a break in the weather to verify if that is accurate or not. I did get one shot that would of been accurate with the elevation at 35yrds. But the post was so far out, the threads were barely engaging and the detents (spring) were not engaging. A longer post/threads and spring would easily accommodate for us air gunners.
The company does not appear to court us Air Gunners,
Unfortunately I don't think we are going to be able to help you with this. These were designed for m193 ball ammunition, so the math is all based off that if that helps.
Thanks,