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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Boolit and Pellet Casting => Topic started by: brewbear on March 04, 2022, 12:08:58 AM
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Hi all,
A few of these moulds are available now on the NOE site. Get them while they are available!
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Wahoo. i got mine. Been waiting ages to get ahold of this one.
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Thanks for the heads up. Just ordered mine.
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Got the 4 cavity.
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2 cavity mold on it's way! :P
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I’m hoping there’s one waiting for me when I get home tomorrow. Been waiting quite a while for this mold to come back.
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I’m hoping there’s one waiting for me when I get home tomorrow. Been waiting quite a while for this mold to come back.
Indeed! I have been waiting about a year?
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Congrats to those that were lucky enough to get the mold, I'm really surprised they didn't make more of them.
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I was hoping for a 2 cavity brass but decided to try a 4 cavity instead.
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I use them slugs a lot. 8)
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Oh well, looks like I was late to the party. Maybe next time.
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I use them slugs a lot. 8)
How they work in your liberty and what do you size them to?
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Here's a recovered cup point from a fox squirrel I got a few days ago, it went from head to tail basically, it destroy both front quarters but the back and hind quarters were still good. Just by the way it hit it looks like it hit it probably tumbled some.
(https://i.imgur.com/hwoIJ3n.jpg)
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I use them slugs a lot. 8)
How they work in your liberty and what do you size them to?
.215 works great in mine, you'll be surprised how accurate they are. I remember back when I hadn't gotten this mold yet when Stephen first got in swaging slugs for his Liberty's how well the same basic slugs were shooting at very long distances, as soon as the mold was once again available (probably NOE's second run) I scarfed up on the mold and am really glad that I did.
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I'll be darned there's actually two molds left in 2 cavity aluminum yet. They go fast for sure.
https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/224/218-25-rf-d6/218-25-rf-d6-rg2-2-cavity/
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I see a few 4 cavity moulds still available and I'm tempted to get one even though I bought the 2 cavity already. @Wayne52, do you happen to know what size do they drop out of the mould at? I'm trying to decide if I want to buy the sizing dies or not.
Thanks,
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It all depends on what you plan on shooting them through, if you're going to shoot them from the Liberty the .215 bushing would be the best option. I've got .215, .216 & .217 bushings myself, if you're going to shoot them from an AEA .22 I'd shoot them just like they drop from the mold. It all depends on how big the bore is.
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I see a few 4 cavity moulds still available and I'm tempted to get one even though I bought the 2 cavity already. @Wayne52, do you happen to know what size do they drop out of the mould at? I'm trying to decide if I want to buy the sizing dies or not.
Thanks,
If you have a lot of different .22's I would invest in the NOE sizers as Wayne has. I got in the habit of resizing all of my castings
because sometimes they size tight, and I had others just fell through the sizer with little effort. My Liberty also did not like any slugs >.215
so I modified a .172 MOE sizer to size to .214 which shot better in the Liberty than .215. I'm sure that each barrel is different so it's fun
to experiment.
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The .22 liberty I have slugged out at .2145 just a FIY, Glad to see a production run, bet NOE could make them night and day and never catch up to demand soon ;)
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It seems to me that the sizing dies kit is rather useless if you don't have the push rod and they are out of stock at this time.
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Oh well, looks like I was late to the party. Maybe next time.
PM sent. ;)
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Oh well, looks like I was late to the party. Maybe next time.
Eddie, if you want the brass ones, he didn't have any, he only had the aluminum ones available. Last night there were still 4 or 5 four cavity ones.
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I use them slugs a lot. 8)
How they work in your liberty and what do you size them to?
.215 works great in mine, you'll be surprised how accurate they are. I remember back when I hadn't gotten this mold yet when Stephen first got in swaging slugs for his Liberty's how well the same basic slugs were shooting at very long distances, as soon as the mold was once again available (probably NOE's second run) I scarfed up on the mold and am really glad that I did.
Thanks Wayne.
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For anyone that wants the push through size die body from NOE I suggest you go to their forum and started a thread requesting it. There has been a lot of stuff that took quite some time for NOE to restock, heck the mold this thread is about I waited probably close to two years to finally get one, I'm sure that Al is plenty busy making molds for both PB's and airguns both.
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For anyone that wants the push through size die body from NOE I suggest you go to their forum and started a thread requesting it. There has been a lot of stuff that took quite some time for NOE to restock, heck the mold this thread is about I waited probably close to two years to finally get one, I'm sure that Al is plenty busy making molds for both PB's and airguns both.
That is a very good suggestion, thank you. I thought about sending him an email when I get home tonight.
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For anyone that wants the push through size die body from NOE I suggest you go to their forum and started a thread requesting it. There has been a lot of stuff that took quite some time for NOE to restock, heck the mold this thread is about I waited probably close to two years to finally get one, I'm sure that Al is plenty busy making molds for both PB's and airguns both.
That is a very good suggestion, thank you. I thought about sending him an email when I get home tonight.
I'm sure there's a lot of people that would chime in on that thread for sure because the Push Through Size Die Body is something that everyone going to that forum would probably like to have.
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Oh well, looks like I was late to the party. Maybe next time.
Eddie, if you want the brass ones, he didn't have any, he only had the aluminum ones available. Last night there were still 4 or 5 four cavity ones.
It's more of a want than a need right now. I need a more powerful 22 before I can use it. Thanks for letting me know though.
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Oh well, looks like I was late to the party. Maybe next time.
Eddie, if you want the brass ones, he didn't have any, he only had the aluminum ones available. Last night there were still 4 or 5 four cavity ones.
It's more of a want than a need right now. I need a more powerful 22 before I can use it. Thanks for letting me know though.
I understand that only too well. On the other hand, strike the iron while it's hot! You never know when it will be available again.
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Oh well, looks like I was late to the party. Maybe next time.
Eddie, if you want the brass ones, he didn't have any, he only had the aluminum ones available. Last night there were still 4 or 5 four cavity ones.
It's more of a want than a need right now. I need a more powerful 22 before I can use it. Thanks for letting me know though.
I understand that only too well. On the other hand, strike the iron while it's hot! You never know when it will be available again.
I've always got my 30 grain BBTs to fall back on. I don't have to worry about pushing them fast enough to expand. That flat nose hits like a freight train.
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Ed those are awesome slugs to begin with, they even shoot great from my vintage Crosman pistols.
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Ed those are awesome slugs to begin with, they even shoot great from my vintage Crosman pistols.
I agree, Wayne. Bob sure got it right.
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Ed those are awesome slugs to begin with, they even shoot great from my vintage Crosman pistols.
I agree, Wayne. Bob sure got it right.
You guys mean the BBT?
AWWW, Maaan! Another mould to chase?
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Ed those are awesome slugs to begin with, they even shoot great from my vintage Crosman pistols.
I agree, Wayne. Bob sure got it right.
You guys mean the BBT?
AWWW, Maaan! Another mould to chase?
Yes sir, Bob's boat tail is an awesome slug.
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Ed those are awesome slugs to begin with, they even shoot great from my vintage Crosman pistols.
I agree, Wayne. Bob sure got it right.
You guys mean the BBT?
AWWW, Maaan! Another mould to chase?
Yes sir, Bob's boat tail is an awesome slug.
Well, I'll have to start another thread on the NOE forum.... I have a similar slug moud from MP .
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It seems to me that the sizing dies kit is rather useless if you don't have the push rod and they are out of stock at this time.
I've got the push rod and bushings but no die body because they were out of stock when I ordered mine.
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It seems to me that the sizing dies kit is rather useless if you don't have the push rod and they are out of stock at this time.
I've got the push rod and bushings but no die body because they were out of stock when I ordered mine.
Thank you for making me laugh! Is reminds of the old: I'd have some corn bread and cheese.... if I had the cheese.... or some corn bead...
Maybe one of these days we get them all lined up, but it is fun trying.
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I remember a time when I could go to the NOE website and just order what I wanted. :-X
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I remember a time when I could go to the NOE website and just order what I wanted. :-X
That must've been before I got interested in air guns - before mid 2021 - and before the C-19 madness. It must've been nice....
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I remember a time when I could go to the NOE website and just order what I wanted. :-X
That must've been before I got interested in air guns - before mid 2021 - and before the C-19 madness. It must've been nice....
It was, and it was nice. I'm close to being a member of the $1000 club there.
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I remember a time when I could go to the NOE website and just order what I wanted. :-X
That must've been before I got interested in air guns - before mid 2021 - and before the C-19 madness. It must've been nice....
It was, and it was nice. I'm close to being a member of the $1000 club there.
$400 more and I'm there also. Side note I like their mold handles far more than the lee handles I have.
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I remember a time when I could go to the NOE website and just order what I wanted. :-X
That must've been before I got interested in air guns - before mid 2021 - and before the C-19 madness. It must've been nice....
It was, and it was nice. I'm close to being a member of the $1000 club there.
$400 more and I'm there also. Side note I like their mold handles far more than the lee handles I have.
I like them too, but they too are out of stock :(
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Matt I need to order me another pair of handles, no idea if the ones that I have are Lee or if I ordered them from NOE ??? I've been a member of the 1K club for some time now.
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Matt I need to order me another pair of handles, no idea if the ones that I have are Lee or if I ordered them from NOE ??? I've been a member of the 1K club for some time now.
It use to be too easy to get in the 1K club. Now that casting AG pellets/slugs has become more popular it's going to take a long time.
It use to take 4 to 5 days to order and receive a NOE product, but my last purchase took almost two weeks. I'm not sure if it's high demand
or low popularity of AG products. Either case they are great products and worth waiting for.
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Bob even when I first joined GTA my thoughts were on casting lead ammo for airguns. I admit I was pretty enthused when Bob Sterne started posting about airgun molds he designed and NOE was building. At the time it wasn't mainly the price to cast either because they pay for themselves in a hurry. My first attempt's were with a setup from England that's cast/swage both, not so good, I couldn't get any of those pellets to work decent. That's not so with NOE molds.
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The 6 cavity Lee handles are pretty decent if you go ahead and throw them on the drill press and add a screw to keep them from falling apart.
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I pinned my lee handles got tired of the handles slipping off.
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I want to start a new thread on the NOE forum for the 217-30-FN-BJ5 BT mould but there are several choices there, it would be simpler if we decide on two or three. Which ones are you guys using?
I want the option for HP and either 2 or 4 cavities.
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I want to start a new thread on the NOE forum for the 217-30-FN-BJ5 BT mould but there are several choices there, it would be simpler if we decide on two or three. Which ones are you guys using?
I want the option for HP and either 2 or 4 cavities.
I wanted the HP version but got tired of waiting for it to be restocked, so I bought the FN. I really don't regret it too much because the FN hits hard without a hollow point.
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I prefer the FN, to HP for down range damage, only reason I would use the HP pins is if I needed less boolit weight, or for some reason needed a bigger mushroom.
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The main reason I wanted the hollow point was because Bob said they flew straighter than the flat nose did. I've got two of them though, when I got my first one it was a 5 cavity flat nose only in aluminum because at the time that's all they had, when they had the 2 cavity brass RG2 HP mold I ordered one of those also.
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I'm part of the 1k club with NOE as well. My mold will arrive tomorrow. Super fast delivery with this one.
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I'm part of the 1k club with NOE as well. My mold will arrive tomorrow. Super fast delivery with this one.
I've been buying molds from NOE for some time now, no idea if I'm in the 4 or 5k club now! ;)
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It's the 1K club I've never seen anything about a 4 or 5K club ???
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It's the 1K club I've never seen anything about a 4 or 5K club ???
He is joking around.
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Yes, just being silly. :P
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My mould arrived today. After a good, very hot bath and brushing in detergent it is now resting in the oven. Casting day tomorrow!
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I got my 4 cavity today also. I wont be messing with it for a while though.
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I got my 4 cavity today also. I wont be messing with it for a while though.
I don't blame you! Now chasing the wadcutter and the 217-30 moulds...
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got mine as well. did a short run on it. Mold half pins are sticking bad on mine. slowly getting better. seeing 23 gr average in hollow point
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My half pins look very rough.
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My half pins look very rough.
Polishing the pins to a mirror finish will help to prevent the casting from sticking.
It's an easy job with a Dremel polishing wheel and Fritz.
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Wayne and I discovered that the cup point pin is the best, for casting quick with less rejects, no major difference in performance.
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Cup point is what I always cast I can cast the hollow points but they're really a pain in the butt.
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Thanks for the hints guys, mine comes late in the week so I will polish up the pins when it arrives.
The 249-39-RF-E6 has the same issue, about 2/3 of the half pin hollow points are not filling out all the way, they shoot great at 50y but by the time they get to 100y, they really open up. I'll try the good ones later this week for comparison. I expect the 218-25-RF-D6 to be very much the same, just in .22?
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I think that most people will probably prefer the cup points, I haven't shot or cast any of the flat points yet but they may perform really good but you won't dump near as much energy with them like you would with the cup point. I actually recovered one of the cup points from a full length hit on a fox squirrel head shot.
(https://i.imgur.com/hwoIJ3n.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/TuCVcy8.jpg)
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Actually the .25 version does well with all the pins.
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I"ve never had any problems casting the 25 cal version in HP myself, it's the .22 that can be really problematic for dropping the castings. A mirror finish is what you'd need on those pins. Buffing rouge on a dremel felt wheel might be the way to go polishing them but they are soft metal so I wouldn't go overboard.
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Actually the .25 version does well with all the pins.
Mine does not, what is your secret? :o
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I"ve never had any problems casting the 25 cal version in HP myself, it's the .22 that can be really problematic for dropping the castings. A mirror finish is what you'd need on those pins. Buffing rouge on a dremel felt wheel might be the way to go polishing them but they are soft metal so I wouldn't go overboard.
I just chuck them up and use some 1200 and then 2000 grit sandpaper to get them so smooth my Old man fingers have a problem picking them up.
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Every time I get out shooting these with my Challenger LS they perform unbelievably from that gun, today I got 2 nice fox squirrels both excellent head shots both at 45+ yards, one of them I'm sure was at least 50 yards.
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I cast about 20 pellets total, that's all the time I had today. They drop fine after polishing with 0000 steel wool followed by Flitz. The longest pins drop them at 23 grains and the shorter ones (cup ?) drops them at 24 grains. They fit in the Diana chaser magazine and shoot with little (if any) shift in POI from the .22 Hunters. They also fit nicely in the Crosman 150!
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I cast about 20 pellets total, that's all the time I had today. They drop fine after polishing with 0000 steel wool followed by Flitz. The longest pins drop them at 23 grains and the shorter ones (cup ?) drops them at 24 grains. They fit in the Diana chaser magazine and shoot with little (if any) shift in POI from the .22 Hunters. They also fit nicely in the Crosman 150!
VERY good to hear!
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Actually the .25 version does well with all the pins.
Mine does not, what is your secret? :o
Luck either in the barrel lottery, or the mold lotto ???
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I haven't had any issues with my HP pins in my .25 mold either. It runs pretty smoothly for me.
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I am casting .22 slugs. They work in my 1322 and P17 too! I haven't put them in the Origin but since they work in all the others, I don't see a problem. I shoot the same pellets in my few guns, all pellets I cast.
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I have one regret in buying this mould.... I should've bought the 4 cavity instead of the 2 cavity one....
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I have one regret in buying this mould.... I should've bought the 4 cavity instead of the 2 cavity one....
So what you are saying I should be happy with my choice lol...
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I have one regret in buying this mould.... I should've bought the 4 cavity instead of the 2 cavity one....
So what you are saying I should be happy with my choice lol...
Yes, you should.
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I have one regret in buying this mould.... I should've bought the 4 cavity instead of the 2 cavity one....
So what you are saying I should be happy with my choice lol...
Yes, you should.
Yep, I only own one NOE 4 cavity and it sure makes a difference. I watched others using various 6 cavity molds and I never had much interest but 4 seems to be a nice balance.
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No regrets on the 2 cavity mold, I have dozens of 8 cavity molds and my hands go numb after a few castings, the two I just got are both the two cavity type and I was able to cast for a whole hour without stopping due to the hands giving up. ;D
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No regrets on the 2 cavity mold, I have dozens of 8 cavity molds and my hands go numb after a few castings, the two I just got are both the two cavity type and I was able to cast for a whole hour without stopping due to the hands giving up. ;D
I, like a lot of others, preferer a 2 cavity brass mold, but the last 6 that I purchased have been aluminum because of casting fatigue.
Once I get the proper cadence I get nice castings with little fatigue. 15 years ago I could cast all day with a bass mold. :-\
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I do have a 5 cavity aluminum mold for the .217 BBT's it's not bad at all on the wrist however I've got a 4 cavity 250-34-RF mold that's a great mold but casting for a long time with that one can wear on ya. I was listening to a "Full Lead Taco podcast on youtube, at the beginning of the podcast they talk about how NOE is ramping up things to start building steel molds soon. That would be fantastic if they started running some of the more popular airgun molds from steel because I have always really like using steel molds, they even mention how casting with zinc alloys is more suited for steel molds because of the higher temps required for zinc alloys. I would still use lead though.
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I do have a 5 cavity aluminum mold for the .217 BBT's it's not bad at all on the wrist however I've got a 4 cavity 250-34-RF mold that's a great mold but casting for a long time with that one can wear on ya. I was listening to a "Full Lead Taco podcast on youtube, at the beginning of the podcast they talk about how NOE is ramping up things to start building steel molds soon. That would be fantastic if they started running some of the more popular airgun molds from steel because I have always really like using steel molds, they even mention how casting with zinc alloys is more suited for steel molds because of the higher temps required for zinc alloys. I would still use lead though.
Yes sir, and a zinc alloy could be a great option for lighter air rifle slugs.
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When putting away a steel mold I'd just spray down with some WD40, put it away then next time I used it I'd simply give it a dishwater bath before I started casting with it. Steel would also save money for NOE as well as being able to get steel much easier than brass or aluminum. It might even be easier on the tooling for machining the molds as well. Both brass and aluminum can be problematic for machining, never know they might even be able to start building some .177 molds in steel as well. I'm sure that's why Lyman molds have always been favorites for a lot of people that do their own casting is the fact that steel works REALLY good for casting projectiles all the way around.
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No regrets on the 2 cavity mold, I have dozens of 8 cavity molds and my hands go numb after a few castings, the two I just got are both the two cavity type and I was able to cast for a whole hour without stopping due to the hands giving up. ;D
I, like a lot of others, preferer a 2 cavity brass mold, but the last 6 that I purchased have been aluminum because of casting fatigue.
Once I get the proper cadence I get nice castings with little fatigue. 15 years ago I could cast all day with a bass mold. :-\
I bought a couple of two cavity molds and wish they were four cavity molds. Haven't tried the .25 cal mold yet, but my NOE .22 hunter mold can get too hot when in a solid rhythm. You can tell when the mold is too hot because the pellets start dropping with hairs and wings. On the bright side it cools off quickly, so usually a quick break is all it takes. I may even cast today since it is so nice.
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When putting away a steel mold I'd just spray down with some WD40, put it away then next time I used it I'd simply give it a dishwater bath before I started casting with it. Steel would also save money for NOE as well as being able to get steel much easier than brass or aluminum. It might even be easier on the tooling for machining the molds as well. Both brass and aluminum can be problematic for machining, never know they might even be able to start building some .177 molds in steel as well. I'm sure that's why Lyman molds have always been favorites for a lot of people that do their own casting is the fact that steel works REALLY good for casting projectiles all the way around.
Very much an opinion piece there Wayne. Aluminum and brass are much easier to tool, cherries last much longer and the cut rate is exponentially faster.
With Zinc, I completely agree, steel will resist erosion with zinc casting much longer than aluminum and brass can become contaminated. I've been casting 1" balls for a BP cannon for decades, since wheel weights started to change over and found that zinc is very hard on molds.
I would guess that LEE outsells all others 10/1 with their molds just by price alone. I.e. 124gr .357; $40 for a mold from LEE vs $118 for an almost identical mold from NOE.
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No regrets on the 2 cavity mold, I have dozens of 8 cavity molds and my hands go numb after a few castings, the two I just got are both the two cavity type and I was able to cast for a whole hour without stopping due to the hands giving up. ;D
I, like a lot of others, preferer a 2 cavity brass mold, but the last 6 that I purchased have been aluminum because of casting fatigue.
Once I get the proper cadence I get nice castings with little fatigue. 15 years ago I could cast all day with a bass mold. :-\
I bought a couple of two cavity molds and wish they were four cavity molds. Haven't tried the .25 cal mold yet, but my NOE .22 hunter mold can get too hot when in a solid rhythm. You can tell when the mold is too hot because the pellets start dropping with hairs and wings. On the bright side it cools off quickly, so usually a quick break is all it takes. I may even cast today since it is so nice.
Well... I pulled the out the .217-20-RF 2 cav mold and it's pretty warped... there's a clear gap when the mold is closed. I definitely got it way too hot when I was casting. This is a real bummer. I'll be extra slow with my 250-41-FN 2 cav mold.
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did some testing with what I've cast using this mold. Things look very good. Had to turn my scope down as they were super high poi/poa, to be expected. Holding 1-inch groups at 50 yards with just general sorting for visible defects. I did figure out my HP pin sticking issue. Need to call Al. my pins have a visible step and not a smooth taper on the hp and that is causing my sticking. I can see it under magnification.
Anyone got an idea what metal NOE uses for pins?
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My 2 latest molds have the same issue, I chucked them up and checked the runout then the step, it's a cut so I tapered the pin to get rid of it.
Polished with Flitz and they drop fine now.
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Yeah, just got off phone with Al. Chuck them up and hit them with sandpaper and the step should polish out. if not get back with him and he'll make a new set.
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Yeah, just got off phone with Al. Chuck them up and hit them with sandpaper and the step should polish out. if not get back with him and he'll make a new set.
The added taper was just over 0.001 so I can live with that.
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I don't have a lathe and if I did, I wouldn't know what to do with it. The HPs drop with a bit of coaxing but I see that slight step.
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I don't have a lathe and if I did, I wouldn't know what to do with it. The HPs drop with a bit of coaxing but I see that slight step.
Mine were definitely a cut into the material, both sides the cut measured exactly the same on mine.
Looks like a CNC programming issue to me.
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Al is looking into it. it may have been cause by a chipped carbide bit. I chucked mine in lathe and a short spin with some 320 and 500 and then polish has them looking better now. Firing things up for a test run to see how they do now. Al also said to run the molds about 430 degrees or so and make sure the pins are hot and it should help with releasing as well.
Pic of current pin condition after worked.
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I'm finally getting to cast some slugs today. I was suppose to be burning one of the pits down in the medow where we put all of the dead trees we cut down but the propane truck is finally going to deliver the last 100 gallons for this season. I'm real happy with the 218-25-rf mold. It's cranking out slugs faster than any of my other molds do with no sticking at all. I did swap out the hp pins for the flat point pins and they are dropping between 24 and 24.5. I'll see how they shoot after I resize them to.215 for my liberty. Do wish they were dropping at 25 grain's like their label but knew they wouldn't.
Just looked at the specs on noe and noticed that the bc is .0666. 😲😱😱
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You could chuck them in a drill and hit them with sand paper too, don't really need a lathe just to polish them.
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You could chuck them in a drill and hit them with sand paper too, don't really need a lathe just to polish them.
That's what I did. 600 grit, 2300 grit and Fitz as a final polish.
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yeah. mine works better. I got one pin that needs just a bit more as it still sticks on occasion. man are these things accurate. I'm running off my .25 cal tune on my impact mk2 with just a caliber change. so not 100 percent perfect and I know I'm wasting a bit of air, but these little slugs are wicked so far. hitting around 935 fps and super flat. I barely need to make hold over adjustments. From 30-66 yards is almost all identical.
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yeah. mine works better. I got one pin that needs just a bit more as it still sticks on occasion. man are these things accurate. I'm running off my .25 cal tune on my impact mk2 with just a caliber change. so not 100 percent perfect and I know I'm wasting a bit of air, but these little slugs are wicked so far. hitting around 935 fps and super flat. I barely need to make hold over adjustments. From 30-66 yards is almost all identical.
hey Dan, got any data for this one on muzzle energy compared to pellets?
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23.4 gr hp at 966 average for 48.5 FPE at muzzle is what I'm seeing
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yeah. mine works better. I got one pin that needs just a bit more as it still sticks on occasion. man are these things accurate. I'm running off my .25 cal tune on my impact mk2 with just a caliber change. so not 100 percent perfect and I know I'm wasting a bit of air, but these little slugs are wicked so far. hitting around 935 fps and super flat. I barely need to make hold over adjustments. From 30-66 yards is almost all identical.
That's one thing that I always loved about shooting these slugs is how remarkably flat they shoot from my Challenger.
(https://i.imgur.com/OpY8IsU.jpg)
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That's one thing that I always loved about shooting these slugs is how remarkably flat they shoot from my Challenger.
(https://i.imgur.com/OpY8IsU.jpg)
Wayne, that is some very impressive and consistent data. Great castings and air gun.
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Thanks Bob !!! One thing about these slugs is you can't shoot through any brush at all with them because if you hit the tiniest object it really throws them off. With a meplat pellet you can cut a little brush. Kind of like comparing a 30-30 Win to a 7mm Rem. That 30-30 is a great brush gun where the Rem 7mm needs a clear shot.
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Thanks Bob !!! One thing about these slugs is you can't shoot through any brush at all with them because if you hit the tiniest object it really throws them off. With a meplat pellet you can cut a little brush. Kind of like comparing a 30-30 Win to a 7mm Rem. That 30-30 is a great brush gun where the Rem 7mm needs a clear shot.
Thanks Wayne, that's a good point to remember.