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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: wll2506 on December 27, 2021, 06:22:53 PM
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And is the only difference the bolt ?
Can either steel breech be used on the new Crosman 362 ?
Thanks guys,
wll
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AFAIK, Crosman only make one steel breech.... The radius on the bottom fits the 22XX/Disco diameter tube, and it is therefore only touching the smaller 13XX tube in the middle, but once you tighten the screws it doesn't rock side to side....
Bob
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I thought there was a short and long steel breech?
But yes there are two kits, the 2240SBPK and the 1377SBPK KITS are interchangeable.
Difference is the probe, one being .22 and the later .177.
Never checked the radius for the tube as Bob mentioned. ::) :-\
I have made a steel breeched 1377 into a 1322 as well as a 2240 into a 1740 with only a bolt probe and barrel swap.
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There are also 2 breech screw locations: front or visible when you cock the bolt (common in 13xx breeches) and back or hidden when you cock it (common in 22xx breeches).
A 22xx breech can be used on a 13xx gun, but you’d have to notch the hammer and drill and tap the tube for the new screw location——see the hassle when you shop unwisely?
Most 22xx tubes are drilled and tapped for both breech screw locations.
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Photos.
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(https://i.imgur.com/cB6SHLs.jpg?1)
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(https://i.imgur.com/Wk3c4AG.jpg?1)
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Wow, thank you for all the info. I have a couple of 2240 steel breeches at home and a 1377, I need to look at them ; -)
wll
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I thought there was a short and long steel breech?
Correct.
The short steel breech has the rearward location of the 4-48 machine screw. It is used on the 2300T pistol - also available as a par.
The long steel breech is available in two forms; forward located 4-48 machine screw, and used for 2240 pistols and the "Steel Breech Kits"; and rearward located 4-48 machine screw for the 2300S pistol, Discovery, and Marimus. This long breech with the rearward located 4-48 machine screw is available as a part.
I began using the two "parts" breeches some time ago, instead of the "kit" breeches, for their inherently easier pellet loading.
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What I meant to say was that AFAIK, Crosman only make one radius on the bottom of their steel breeches, where it fits against the tube.... You are correct, they make a short one (I have never even seen one, and would not use it because of barrel stability, the primary reason for a steel one).... The long one is available with both breech screw locations (22XX and Disco), but they are otherwise identical.... My point was, any of the 3 will fit on a 13XX, and rock around on the tube until you tighten the screws....
I have no idea where the breech screw is on a 362, if not the same as a 13XX (or Disco) the steel breech may not fit at all, without modification....
Bob
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i actually have one of the short 13xx steel breaches, which i ordered from Crosman by mistake for my first 1377 a couple years ago. the screw location is in the forward position on the one i bought. the length of it is actually only an inch shorter than the long steel breach and it also has a set screw on the top for the barrel. the stock plastic breach is much shorter than either of them. if the plastic breech offers enough support to maintain accuracy, then you would be fine either going with the short or long steel breach. the longer one would obviously provide more coverage on the barrel, and offers a little more length for scope mounts, but i just dont believe that an extra inch would improve barrel stability by any significant difference... i might be wrong though?
if i decide to get one of these, and i wont make that decision until i see some 20-30 yard groups posted and see how its accuracy is, i will use the short steel breach. there is plenty enough length with it to fit my scope to. ;)
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i actually have one of the short 13xx steel breaches, which i ordered from Crosman by mistake for my first 1377 a couple years ago. the screw location is in the forward position on the one i bought. the length of it is actually only an inch shorter than the long steel breach and it also has a set screw on the top for the barrel. the stock plastic breach is much shorter than either of them. if the plastic breech offers enough support to maintain accuracy, then you would be fine either going with the short or long steel breach. the longer one would obviously provide more coverage on the barrel, and offers a little more length for scope mounts, but i just dont believe that an extra inch would improve barrel stability by any significant difference... i might be wrong though?
if i decide to get one of these, and i wont make that decision until i see some 20-30 yard groups posted and see how its accuracy is, i will use the short steel breach. there is plenty enough length with it to fit my scope to. ;)
More information on this breech would be greatly appreciated. Have not seen or heard of it before.
Or;
Are you referring to the early rear-cocking 1377's, prior to changing into the C1377 which uses the small bolt action?
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I put the one made for the 2240 on my 362 today, works great but haven't got a scope on it yet, While I was searching through my old 2240 stuff I also came across a short TKO that I might use on mine too. I did grind a little bit off the rear most screw that goes through the stock peep sight because it needed to be a little shorter, I already had one that I had previously shortened just for that purpose.
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2240 breech is on mine and its working fine. Sighted in at 20 yards with cphp and thinking about trying out CP domes.
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Can someone confirm that these are the right breeches?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/301519803403?epid=1133776103&hash=item4633fb140b:g:b94AAOxyQBJRE4nC (https://www.ebay.com/itm/301519803403?epid=1133776103&hash=item4633fb140b:g:b94AAOxyQBJRE4nC)
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Can someone confirm that these are the right breeches?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/301519803403?epid=1133776103&hash=item4633fb140b:g:b94AAOxyQBJRE4nC (https://www.ebay.com/itm/301519803403?epid=1133776103&hash=item4633fb140b:g:b94AAOxyQBJRE4nC)
Yes they stuck an hex key to show the front screw hole, I have the exact one on the way.
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Can someone confirm that these are the right breeches?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/301519803403?epid=1133776103&hash=item4633fb140b:g:b94AAOxyQBJRE4nC (https://www.ebay.com/itm/301519803403?epid=1133776103&hash=item4633fb140b:g:b94AAOxyQBJRE4nC)
Yes they stuck an hex key to show the front screw hole, I have the exact one on the way.
Thanks James! I appreciate the assistance.
David
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https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
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https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
You can also see the forward screw hole in that one as well.
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https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
PHEW! Almost $20 for shipping, Ouch! >:(
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https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
You can also see the forward screw hole in that one as well.
Would someone be so kind as to check their 362 to see if the rearward screw hold has been punched if/when the gun is apart?
If it's there, that may be eliminate the final consideration that has kept me from buy one.
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https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
PHEW! Almost $20 for shipping, Ouch! >:(
Another reason why I use the two "parts" breeches (from 2230S and 2230T pistols) with rearward 4-48 screws - the main reason being easier pellet feeding. Parts shipping is flat-rate $4 (excepting barrels).
That is quite stiff on the shipping - like we mere retail shipping customers pay to ship items out.
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https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
PHEW! Almost $20 for shipping, Ouch! >:(
Another reason why I use the two "parts" breeches (from 2230S and 2230T pistols) with rearward 4-48 screws - the main reason being easier pellet feeding. Parts shipping is flat-rate $4 (excepting barrels).
That is quite stiff on the shipping - like we mere retail shipping customers pay to ship items out.
Craig, that was not the case today.
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The steel breech kit is not a "part" - it's an "accessory"
I have, on RARE occasion, when phoning in a parts order had the dear lady throw a small "accessory" in with the "parts" order.
EDIT: They will not take an "accessory" order over the phone and ship it at a parts order shipping charge.
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https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22)
You can also see the forward screw hole in that one as well.
Would someone be so kind as to check their 362 to see if the rearward screw hold has been punched if/when the gun is apart?
If it's there, that may be eliminate the final consideration that has kept me from buy one.
It is not... it only has the forward screw hole.
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Would someone be so kind as to check their 362 to see if the rearward screw hold has been punched if/when the gun is apart?
It is not... it only has the forward screw hole.
Bugger! Going forward will involve one of my least favorite setups - locating a hole on a cylinder.
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Would someone be so kind as to check their 362 to see if the rearward screw hold has been punched if/when the gun is apart?
It is not... it only has the forward screw hole.
Bugger! Going forward will involve one of my least favorite setups - locating a hole on a cylinder.
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Just install the hidden-screw type breech w/o the probe, then tighten it with the rear screw.
The breech screw hole should expose the to-be-drilled-and-tapped tube, so you can punch or mark it with gusto.
You don't even have to tap it with a threader if you don't have one---- I use a graded screw to make threads on materials that are not too hard ;D
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Just install the hidden-screw type breech w/o the probe, then tighten it with the rear screw.
The breech screw hole should expose the to-be-drilled-and-tapped tube, so you can punch or mark it with gusto.
You don't even have to tap it with a threader if you don't have one---- I use a graded screw to make threads on materials that are not too hard ;D
A good idea. I have some concern of it being precisely located. But then is the original factory work any better.
I have no issue drilling and taping. Just locating. I go through too much "brain damage" setting up and jigging work for precise operations. :D
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Just install the hidden-screw type breech w/o the probe, then tighten it with the rear screw.
The breech screw hole should expose the to-be-drilled-and-tapped tube, so you can punch or mark it with gusto.
You don't even have to tap it with a threader if you don't have one---- I use a graded screw to make threads on materials that are not too hard ;D
A good idea. I have some concern of it being precisely located. But then is the original factory work any better.
I have no issue drilling and taping. Just locating. I go through too much "brain damage" setting up and jigging work for precise operations. :D
And don't forget to notch your hammer ;D
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IMO... If I only had the rear screw breech, I would drill the breech rather than the tube. All I would need to do is locate the hole, drill it and counter bore the hole for the screw head. No hammer mods needed. I think the breech material would be softer and easier to drill than the tube. Also, if you drill into the 'trough" if the breech it would be easier than drilling a rounded surface.
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Notching the hammer is also going to change the weight of the hammer.
Just things to consider.
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Wow!!!!!!! I sure the heck wouldn't buy one on ebay, those are insane prices with crazy shipping costs, best thing to do is buy from Crosman . . . . sure it might take a little longer getting there but you're going to save a lot buying it direct !!! https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22) The one with the rearward hole for .177 is the same price. I think that calling in the order would also be the way to go.
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And don't forget to notch your hammer ;D
That is something one only forgets once. :D
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Wow!!!!!!! I sure the heck wouldn't buy one on ebay, those are insane prices with crazy shipping costs, best thing to do is buy from Crosman . . . . sure it might take a little longer getting there but you're going to save a lot buying it direct !!! https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22) The one with the rearward hole for .177 is the same price. I think that calling in the order would also be the way to go.
Wayne, the Crosman direct breech is $60.00 shipped.
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Wow!!!!!!! I sure the heck wouldn't buy one on ebay, those are insane prices with crazy shipping costs, best thing to do is buy from Crosman . . . . sure it might take a little longer getting there but you're going to save a lot buying it direct !!! https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22) The one with the rearward hole for .177 is the same price. I think that calling in the order would also be the way to go.
Wayne, the Crosman direct breech is $60.00 shipped.
Pyramid Air also sells Crosman steel breeches.
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Wow!!!!!!! I sure the heck wouldn't buy one on ebay, those are insane prices with crazy shipping costs, best thing to do is buy from Crosman . . . . sure it might take a little longer getting there but you're going to save a lot buying it direct !!! https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22 (https://www.crosman.com/product/crosman-steel-breech-kit-22) The one with the rearward hole for .177 is the same price. I think that calling in the order would also be the way to go.
Wayne, the Crosman direct breech is $60.00 shipped.
Pyramid Air also sells Crosman steel breeches.
Link please?
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https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-22-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-2240-2250-2260-2289-1322-air-guns?a=4387 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-22-cal-steel-breech-kit-fits-2240-2250-2260-2289-1322-air-guns?a=4387)
Pyramid 22 steel breech
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I ordered my steel breech and 362 at the same time from Jay's Sporting. It was $35 and didn't increase the total shipping cost.
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All early breeches and tubes had the front hole. Rear hole was a later change supposedly because so many complaints about pellets catching on the front hole/screw. 10-12 years ago?
All my aftermarket breeches have the front hole. A dab of wax works to cover the front screw if you need it.
Early tubes have the front hole only. Some, maybe all later tubes have two holes.
Rear hole breeches make disassembly more difficult. And the hammer difference noted.
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Has anyone tried the Aluminum Breeches from Baker Airguns ?