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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => All Air Gun Accessories Gate => Topic started by: Mixonja on December 21, 2021, 10:45:18 AM
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So today i went and bought my self a vortex crossfire II 3-9x40, and i was looking for scope mounts but couldnt find any quality mounts beside gamo ts250 then i found diana bullseye for around 60 euro (67 dollars), and i was wondering if its worth it, and is it good quality will it lower chance of breaking scope ??
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I've got one on my Diana m48 that has a vortec tune kit in it. It's a scope eater. I've got a ZR mount on it and used it with a cheap no name bundle scope. A good 500 shots later it was still holding zero. The scope was bundled with a Aspen PCP.
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I got my first one bundled with my Diana 430L. According to Hector Medina that gun has some weird vibrations which will kill a scope even though the power is low. I decided it wasn't a bad idea so I put one on my 460 and got another for my 48. They can be not real smooth when received so I burnished molybdenum disulfide into the rails. One could probably use graphite as well. I just didn't want a wet lube to attract dust. The mounts themselves seem well made, though they are made in China. I do not recommend using the stop pin as it's not really needed. The gun and the lower half of the mount move with recoil. The scope and top half of the mount kind of stay in place due to inertia. On the second recoil the gun moves back forward into position under the scope which has kind of been there all along. There is a small damper spring in the mount to cushion the transition back into place under the scope. Accuracy is repeatable. All in all I think I'm doing my scopes a favor and haven't destroyed any yet.
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I heard many peopel say they are bad, it makes scope inaccurate and wobbles to much. Is that true?? Should i buy bullseye or gamo ts250 ?
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Hector sells a accuratized ZR. Can't remember the price.
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I have that mount on my Diana 430l (it was rifle/mount/scope bundled deal).
I went ahead and installed the RWS branded el cheapo scope that came with the package while I looked for a better quality optic. It's been 3 years or so now. The nice replacement scope has yet to be mounted because the RWS scope will not die. I did use the scope stop pin included in the mount. The mount has not budged on the rail, the scope has not moved in the rings, the mount has not seized up, and if the rifle was anymore accurate I don't know if I could contain myself. That cheap RWS scope should of died within the first couple hundred shots. If that. So the fact that it still holds zero and the AO still works and the reticle has not broken/canted in the tube is a testament to the ZR Bullseye mount.
I will say this though-
1. It's a HIGH mount
2. You MUST torque all screws correctly or you probably will have problems with the mount based on some other folks complaints.
I'd readily buy another if the need arose.
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I've had pretty good luck with the Sportsmatch Dampa mount. It's a much simpler design.. Has no loose moving parts. It has a rubber core injected between the top and bottom halves of the mount. Very similar construction to an automotive engine vibration damper. Proven, reliable construction. In the US AoA sells them for about the same price as the ZR. They are all over the place in Europe. I ran one on a 23 fpe Rx1 and currently running one on a 19 fpe R1.
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Dont have torque wrench so only hand, and would simple 2pc gamo mounts work on vortex crossfire scope, will it withstand recoil of airgun? I heard some peopel say that diana bullseye get wobbely after bit time and losses accuracy and everything, now is that true or not i dont know, i just want to put my scope on a gun and go shoting :)
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Dont have torque wrench so only hand, and would simple 2pc gamo mounts work on vortex crossfire scope, will it withstand recoil of airgun? I heard some peopel say that diana bullseye get wobbely after bit time and losses accuracy and everything, now is that true or not i dont know, i just want to put my scope on a gun and go shoting :)
No. The Crossfire will break when rigidly mounted to springer. I already offered you a viable solution with the Sportsmatch Dampa mount.
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I saw i but problem is that there isnt any good mounts like sportsmatch dampa, there are some hawke match mount (low and high, sadly no medium), gamo mounts and full bunch chines ones in my country
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If you bought that Hatsan 125 Sniper you were considering in the thread you posted in the Turkish Gate, that rifle will very likely eat scopes
including that Vortex Crossfire even though Vortex claims all their scopes are spring piston air gun rated.
I had to remind myself of where you live and that things we buy here in the United States aren't always easily available overseas before I posted
when you said you couldn't get the Sportsmatch Dampa mount. If you can't get Sportsmatch, then get the Diana ZR mount. You've already read
posts from several members here saying they work well and I'll add my name to that list owning one. I had my own doubts but I took a chance and
got one to try and they work. It will also definitely work better than trying to use a set of 2 piece rings on that beast of a Hatsan 125 if that's the
rifle you bought, just follow all the mounting instructions exactly.
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Ok sorry I didn't realize you couldn't get the Sportsmatch Mounts in your country. Many vendors in Europe do carry them, but I guess there's import restrictions by you that I'm unaware of. Vortex should warranty a broken Crossfire. They do here in the US. Not sure how it's handled by you. Best of luck to you.
Ron
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If you bought that Hatsan 125 Sniper you were considering in the thread you posted in the Turkish Gate, that rifle will very likely eat scopes
including that Vortex Crossfire even though Vortex claims all their scopes are spring piston air gun rated.
I had to remind myself of where you live and that things we buy here in the United States aren't always easily available overseas before I posted
when you said you couldn't get the Sportsmatch Dampa mount. If you can't get Sportsmatch, then get the Diana ZR mount. You've already read
posts from several members here saying they work well and I'll add my name to that list owning one. I had my own doubts but I took a chance and
got one to try and they work. It will also definitely work better than trying to use a set of 2 piece rings on that beast of a Hatsan 125 if that's the
rifle you bought, just follow all the mounting instructions exactly.
Still didnt buy 125 but planing it in like 5 to 6 months, and still diana ZR mount is in another country and probably wont get it till next year, so i was wondering if hawke match mounts high 2pc would work on hatsan edge 1000fps, till i get diana ZR mounts.
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They should work, I have them on mine. The rifle is an Edge Vortex .25 caliber. I use the Reach Forward versions but the standard ones
should work just as well. Clean the rails with rubbing alcohol to get any grease and such off it, then attach the scope stop plate in the front
2 holes. They're small so be careful not to lose one like I did...lol. Now take the front ring and put the back side of it snug against the stop plate.
and tighten it.
Now you can take the back ring, do a loose fit to the rail so you can slide it back and forth, set your scope on to decide exactly where you
want it to sit and when you have it where you want it, tighten that rear ring down. Then you just have to set the scope in, put the ring caps
and screws on and tighten everything.
2 different rifles in the pictures. Top one is my Edge .25 Vortex in a Harvest Moon camo stock, the bottom one is an Edge .22 Vortex in the
Beech Striker stock.
Both use those same rings and both have Hawke Vantage IR scopes on them. I've never had problems with either one of them other than that lost screw.
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They should work, I have them on mine. The rifle is an Edge Vortex .25 caliber. I use the Reach Forward versions but the standard ones
should work just as well. Clean the rails with rubbing alcohol to get any grease and such off it, then attach the scope stop plate in the front
2 holes. They're small so be careful not to lose one like I did...lol. Now take the front ring and put the back side of it snug against the stop plate.
and tighten it.
Now you can take the back ring, do a loose fit to the rail so you can slide it back and forth, set your scope on to decide exactly where you
want it to sit and when you have it where you want it, tighten that rear ring down. Then you just have to set the scope in, put the ring caps
and screws on and tighten everything.
2 different rifles in the pictures. Top one is my Edge .25 Vortex in a Harvest Moon camo stock, the bottom one is an Edge .22 Vortex in the
Beech Striker stock.
Both use those same rings and both have Hawke Vantage IR scopes on them. I've never had problems with either one of them other than that lost screw.
Well thank you and everyone else, will do what u said, and would it work with gamo mounts or should i go with safe option hawke match mounts high
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Those Hawke rings in my pictures are high mounts and both those scopes are 3-9x40's so yes, the Hawke rings will work on your Edge.
p.s. - When you get that Diana mount, save it for the 125, you're going to need it...lol.
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Hawke puts out a quality mount. I personally prefer a one piece mount to a two piece. I feel it provides a more rigid mount for the scope but that's my preference, not necessarily borne out in fact.
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Hawke puts out a quality mount. I personally prefer a one piece mount to a two piece. I feel it provides a more rigid mount for the scope but that's my preference, not necessarily borne out in fact.
Agreed, they do and I owned one. Minor problem with Hatsan air rifles is the rails don't go far enough back for many and like me, they end up hunting for
the offset rings like I did, or an offset one piece mount to try getting scopes back a bit farther so you're not feeling hunched over the rifle trying to shoot it.
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I'll throw my.02 in on the ZR mount . I got it on a Stoeger f40 springer that would not settle in w/ any "rated" scope i tried. Put the ZR & bingo , the rifle started to group well enough that a GTR Trigger was installed to turn it into a great shooter . Final test was a Bushnell .22 lr 3X10x38mm that is still on the gun. Even convinced a BIL to try it on an old Beeman R1 that he couldn't keep a scope from moving . It worked perfectly ! And yes mine is a Chinese manufactured one. Good Luck & happy shooting!
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I have a for real $60ish Diana Bullseye ZR mount right along with the Chinese knockoff's sold on Amazon for at the time about $18 by a
company called Mizugiwa and other than cosmetic dfferences they're the same thing. Mizugiwa also has one to fit a pic rail because
I have one of those too...lol.
Random probably not so lame guess since China does it quite regularly, is they made Diana's while they made their own branded
ones with those cosmetic changes to get around any copyright laws.
Pic of both. I know which is which obviously, do you???
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Mine is the chicom knock off but I did some mods on it to make it accurate. I don't believe you need to do any mods on the real zr to be accurate.
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I have the cheaper 'chinese' model from amazon on my benjamin nitro piston elite gun with a pinty 3-9x40 from the junk box mounted just to see if it could keep it alive. it needed cleaned, shimming and lubed but so far its held zero through a couple hundred rounds. I got another one that just needed cleaning and lubed and had no slop in the rails. I'm not sure if they're getting better at making them or just got lucky with the tolerances coming together.