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Airguns by Make and Model => Diana Airguns => Topic started by: SSG Grampo on December 11, 2021, 08:48:18 PM
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Has anyone converted a Pro-Compact (spring) to an N-Tec gas ram? How difficult is it and what parts are needed? Any advise would be appreciated.
Thank's, Bill.
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Nope, not me. My N-Tec has all ways been an N-Tec.
As with most things Diana Hector Medina is the one to ask.
-Y
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Yogi, Hector has probably already made this conversion. I hope he has time to comment.
Bill.
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Hector had an article or blog on his Connecticut Custom Airguns site about how he went about it. I believe he posted a link to the article here on GTA as well. The bottom line is it CAN be done if you have the patience and ability as well as the required parts. At the very least you'll need the piston and trigger group from the NTEC gun, though those parts from the newer EMS series would probably work as well. You'll also need a source for the gas spring. From there it's all down hill. Is the conversion worth it? Only you can decide. I'll stick with the coil spring.
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Thomas, It sounds like it would not be easy or inexpensive. I have 2 Pro-compacts. Both are perfect and my favorite riffle. I wanted an N-Tec and thought I could convert one of my Pro-compacts. Looks like it would be a lot less stressful to buy one if they become available ( N-Tec Premium $399 AGD coming soon). I don't know how the EMS N-Tec would compare to the original? The stock on the Premium N-Tec is beautiful.
Thank's for posting (always enjoy your comments).
Bill
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After some input from some knowledgeable GTA members I am not going to try to convert one of my 34 Pro-Compacts. I think I might look at the HW-50 which is close to the Pro-Compact size and everybody seems to love this riffle. I do like the carbine size and at 74 have no problem cocking the Pro-Compact.
Thank's Bill.
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After some input from some knowledgeable GTA members I am not going to try to convert one of my 34 Pro-Compacts. I think I might look at the HW-50 which is close to the Pro-Compact size and everybody seems to love this riffle. I do like the carbine size and at 74 have no problem cocking the Pro-Compact.
Thank's Bill.
Do not get me wrong, but the HW 50 is 2-3 fpe less than your ProCompact. Hope you have a hogsback stock on it?
FWIW-I love the HW 50 platform, just not as powerful as your D-34.
-Y
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Thank's Yogi, The HW-50 in 22 would be different than anything I have. with a HW moderator it would look very similar to the Diana Pro-Compact.
Bill.
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Thank's Yogi, The HW-50 in 22 would be different than anything I have. with a HW moderator it would look very similar to the Diana Pro-Compact.
Bill.
The HW moderator is very very long. I believe 8 inches or more. It would NOT look like your 34 Pro Compact. With shorter moderator perhaps? ::)
-Y
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340 N-Tec with a chopped and threaded barrel?? Talk to John in PA and see what he says.
You already know about how expensive converting a 34 to an N-Tec ram is. Easy way to explain it?? It would cost just
about as much as an entire 340 to convert your 34 by the time you bought all the needed parts and paid for the machine
work on the receiver (not reversible by the way, but you knew that) to make the new trigger group fit.
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If you are having trouble cocking your 34 PC, a chopped 340 might well be even harder. My 340 has a higher cocking effort than my 34's. You can also try a softer spring kit in your PC. It would be a cheaper option and let you continue to use the gun.
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Yogi, thank you, I did not know the HW moderator was that long. Have you reviewed the HW 50s hunter on AOA's website. total length is 44". beautiful set up.
Thank's Bill.
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SteveP-52, Your right, too expensive, I'm all done thinking of converting.
Thank's Bill.
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RedFeather, No i'm OK with the cocking effort on the Pro-Compact. I read where the cocking effort on the N-Tec is 38 lbs. The Pro-compact is a little harder than my 34's (about 33 lbs) to cock. Good idea on the spring kits. Thank's, Bill.
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Bill; the link for the conversion is here:
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/converting-a-spring-powered-d34-into-an-n-tec-rifle (https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/converting-a-spring-powered-d34-into-an-n-tec-rifle)
And I do think that unless there is a REAL GOOD reason (super accurate barrel, or sentimental), that would validate the conversion, you're better off getting a 340 NTec straightaway.
The true equivalents to your Pro Compact in NTec would have been the short barreled Mauser AM03, as explained in this entry:
https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-nacht-jager-or-the-night-hunter (https://www.ctcustomairguns.com/hectors-airgun-blog/the-nacht-jager-or-the-night-hunter)
Now, I THINK that what you should REALLY be looking for is a carbine barreled 34 EMS.
;-)
Does that sound enticing?
LOL!
HM
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Hector, YES< YES< YES, that would be worth waiting for. Thank's for the heads up (that moves to the top of the list) and thanks for the links.
Bill.
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...I think I might look at the HW-50 which is close to the Pro-Compact size and everybody seems to love this riffle. I do like the carbine size and at 74 have no problem cocking the Pro-Compact.
Thank's Bill.
The HW50S is much lighter and to me it feels smaller than the 34 Pro Compact.
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Now, I THINK that what you should REALLY be looking for is a carbine barreled 34 EMS.
;-)
Does that sound enticing?
LOL!
Hector that sounds extremely enticing. Do they actually exist? Will we ever see them in the US?
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Oh they probably be made to exist if you get an aftermarket barrel, say...something from LW? maybe. Cut it to length, crown it, do all the milling to make
it fit the new EMS breech block. Even more if you want the front sight dovetailed for open sights...lol. Custom made muzzle break maybe???
Now dig out your credit card since at close to $400 for just the rifle, then add in that custom machined barrel...
Am I close at $700????
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Dan, do you have both, how do they compare?
Thanks, Bill.
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Steve, I took it that Hector was alluding to a Carbine being part of the EMS lineup???
Bill
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Oh they probably be made to exist if you get an aftermarket barrel, say...something from LW? maybe. Cut it to length, crown it, do all the milling to make
it fit the new EMS breech block. Even more if you want the front sight dovetailed for open sights...lol. Custom made muzzle break maybe???
Now dig out your credit card since at close to $400 for just the rifle, then add in that custom machined barrel...
Am I close at $700????
Yup, maybe even on the low side. ;D ;D
-Y
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Steve, I took it that Hector was alluding to a Carbine being part of the EMS lineup???
Bill
While I've read lots of hype about the 34 EMS and the possibilities, a carbine barrel wasn't one of the hyped items. Maybe ask him in a PM and see
what secrets he might tell you that he may not be able to in public??
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Dan, do you have both, how do they compare?
Thanks, Bill.
Hi Bill,
I have HW50s in .177 and .22, and a 34 Pro Compact in .177.
The Pro Compact and HW50 are are both very accurate, well built, and have great triggers, but they are built for different purposes and power levels.
The Pro Compact as a utilitarian 15 fpe hunter, whereas the HW50S is an elegant 12 fpe sporter.
I've gravitated to mid-powered rather than high-powered springers, and I'm highly biased toward the HW50, especially in .22. To me it's the perfect size, weight, and power level for a springer. It has enough power for pest control and small game, but is a pleasure to shoot. I find the Pro Compact to be too heavy and harsh for my taste, but I would chose it if I had to dispatch a critter larger than a squirrel. That said, I'm sure there are folks who find the Pro Compact perfect and think the HW50 is too light and wimpy.
Have fun!
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Steve, Looks like the EMS will be interesting to follow.
Bill.
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Dan, thank you for the comparison. People sure love their HW 50's. What pellet's do your 50's shoot best especially in .22.
Thank's Bill.
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A compact EMS might be as easy as chopping, rechoking and adding a brake. It doesn't have to be a LW barrel. At my skill level, anyway. 😉
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Diana has in the past has had many Compact Air Rifles. Hector posted a link to one version a few posts back. It would make sense that they would have an EMS version. The 34 platform was around for a long time hopefully the EMS platform will also have a long life with many variations.
Bill.
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Dan, thank you for the comparison. People sure love their HW 50's. What pellet's do your 50's shoot best especially in .22.
Thank's Bill.
My .22 shoots great with CPUM and FTT, and the .177 likes JSB 7.87, FTT, and GTO.
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Dan, Thank You.
Bill.
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Oh, I know they make or made compact versions, some with the K for Karbine designation aka D34 K.
Should know since I own a custom made by Diana D34 K Premium. Most won't like it because it's a .20 caliber :)
41 inches from butt pad to end of barrel.
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Oh, I know they make or made compact versions, some with the K for Karbine designation aka D34 K.
Should know since I own a custom made by Diana D34 K Premium. Most won't like it because it's a .20 caliber :)
41 inches from butt pad to end of barrel.
Boy I'd love to have one of those.
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Steve, WOW, that's a beautiful rifle.
Bill.
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Oh, I know they make or made compact versions, some with the K for Karbine designation aka D34 K.
Should know since I own a custom made by Diana D34 K Premium. Most won't like it because it's a .20 caliber :)
41 inches from butt pad to end of barrel.
Dude...
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Yes...lol....oh wait, I forgot details...Vortek seal, ARH spring kit....14 fpe with FTT 11.42's, they only made 30, mine is #15
Hawke Airmax 4-12x40...FTT 11.42's at 25 yards...only shot one target to dial in because 1 was all I needed....
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I'm very happy that Steve is happy with his CCA D34k.
It was a trip, but the end results were worth it.
DIANA is moving, yet again. Current space is too small and as the airgun industry has exploded a new building was prepared.
It HAS been hectic, hard, complicated and stressful times. Believe me that DIANA is doing everything in its power. It just so happens that some things (like the Pandemic) throw every programming, schedule, plan and goal out through the window.
The short carbine barrel was a part of the EMS spec from the beginning, as explained it is something that was already part of the AM03 models, so there is nothing "new" to DIANA on that.
At present there is not enough production capacity for full/complete rifles, production runs are sold before they are even started, let alone have the time to make accessories or further the full EMS "program".
Will they come? yes, but the real question is when will CoViD stop throwing variants at us, or when will people understand that the ONLY way to stop this is by vaccination and boosters. I respect everyone's decisions, but those that refuse to vaccinate, need to understand they are imposing huge costs on their fellow men (and women). Yes it is their right, and yes I respect them, but that does not mean I agree with them.
Anyway.
What I was referring to when I answered Bill is that there is a way to make a Custom barrel. The Synthetic stocked version is available at PA for $350, so a plain custom barrel (no sights) can add $200; just stopping there makes a very useable rifle. So, not quite the $700.
The fact that this carbine would make the 16 ft-lbs level is what differentiates it from the smaller offerings out there.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Hector, Thank you for the Diana update.
Bill.
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Yes, very interesting. Things were looking really glum springer-wise, pre-pandemic.