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Title: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 08, 2021, 03:03:57 PM
According to crosmans info these are counted as a 1st variant, but I am considering them more of a 2nd variant.

You all know the 1st variant, tootsie roll forearm , flat stamped trigger ,dark grey receiver finish and no rail.

These have black receivers and rails like the '71-74 " 2nd variant" , but they've got that early style trigger, one has the insert with end caps in the pump pivot roll pin, and of course the wood stocks and rectangular forearm.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3NmKsV96/20210908-104424.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/646JRHkL)

I bought the top one on Ebay for $68 + shipping and the seller tossed in the 2nd one for parts so I could replace the broken bolt.
There was a shipping issue that neither Ebay or the seller wants to make right, so in the end my grand total for the 2 guns was about $125.
It could be worse and I'm trying to look on the brightside.

I swapped the bolt out and the top one works great, it just has a relatively rusty barrel to deal with.

The bottom is obviously pretty rough but I gave it some oil and it pumps fine with no leaking.
It's very rusty, missing a rear sight screw ,the rear sight elevator, and the barrel band is a later plastic one.


I am thinking what I may do is actually make a new bolt for the good rifle because I don't plan on shooting BB's and don't need the magnet, and put the original bolt back in the other gun so I can get it going and give it to my dad who might want to shoot BB's in it.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Goose on September 08, 2021, 03:19:29 PM
Good finds.  I think you're right about the variant.  Those are the forearms that I've seen with the heavy plastic stocks. 

Are the numbers on the pivots at the front of the pumps visible?  That should give you a clue as to manufacture date.

Ride on,

J~

Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 08, 2021, 04:17:49 PM
Good finds.  I think you're right about the variant.  Those are the forearms that I've seen with the heavy plastic stocks. 

Are the numbers on the pivots at the front of the pumps visible?  That should give you a clue as to manufacture date.

Ride on,

J~
They are definitely from the late 60's, having come between the 1st variant and " 2nd variant " with solid styrene stocks.
They also still retain a few features from the earliest variant like the pin insert with caps.
I think the trigger is actually the 2nd pattern though because the first were brass.

The rough one with the Falcons sticker on the stock has a later plastic replacement,  but the other has a 45 stamp on it.

Maybe it was replaced, but it's also possible thats an April '65 date.
If the first guns actually started production in '65 before being released in '66, this could have still been in the inventory to be used  4-5 years later.


I know this is definitely not a '75 gun with a wood stock added, in that case it would have the thicker serrated trigger like the " 2nd variant " with styrene furniture had.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: avator on September 08, 2021, 04:31:04 PM
No telling what and how many parts have been swapped around on those through the years. That plastic barrel band is a good indicator of that.

Also, if you do some research, you'll see that Crosman was quite known for using up old stock parts on new variants.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 08, 2021, 04:47:24 PM
From the information I have gathered over the years working on Crosman 760 models, this is what I have put together. Please update any information that is not correct.

* "Canadian Boy" was the platform used to create the 760
* 1st- Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with square tang at receiver, no scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 2nd-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, no scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 3rd-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 4th-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden forearm. Some with finger grooved forearms
* 5th-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, plastic stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden or plastic forearm.
* 6th-Hammed drop, metal receiver, brass bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 7th-Hammer drop, Hammed drop, metal receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 8th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 9th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver with slot for 5 shot magazine, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 10th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm fiber optic front sight.
* 11th - The new slim-line 760 Classic.

*** a hand full of different colored stocks***
*** a few special editions***

**Western Auto-GC3376**
**Sears-126.19331**
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 08, 2021, 05:05:08 PM
From the information I have gathered over the years working on Crosman 760 models, this is what I have put together. Please update any information that is not correct.

* "Canadian Boy" was the platform used to create the 760
* 1st- Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with square tang at receiver, no scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 2nd-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, no scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 3rd-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 4th-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden forearm. Some with finger grooved forearms
* 5th-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, plastic stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden or plastic forearm.
* 6th-Hammed drop, metal receiver, brass bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 7th-Hammer drop, Hammed drop, metal receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 8th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 9th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver with slot for 5 shot magazine, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 10th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm fiber optic front sight.
* 11th - The new slim-line 760 Classic.

*** a hand full of different colored stocks***
*** a few special editions***

**Western Auto-GC3376**
**Sears-126.19331**
What Crosman calls the " 2nd variant " is the '71-'74 variant with solid styrene stock and forearm.
From there you had the 1975 guns with styrene stock and wood forearm.
Then the abs stock  " 4th variant " self cocking gun which would by your list be a 7th variant.
I consider those 3 seperate variants as does Crosman.
After that you get the " hammer drop " guns what have a brass bolt handle in a plastic block of sorts.

In there you also have the different triggers, brass, stamped flat steel, and the serrated machined trigger of the style that would eventually be copied in plastic and uses until 2012 or so.
I don't exactly know where the trigger types fall, but I expect the brass trigger to be earliest.

Also remember that eventually the stock tang fit inside the receiver so it can't slide up and down.

There was also the 2011 variant with restyled furniture,  it was what I consider the last 760 because it was still truly a 760 with a 760 receiver.
The current thing whatever it is, isn't a 760 if you ask me and they should have let the model die if they weren't going to do right by it.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 08, 2021, 05:22:52 PM
Thanks for the input, I know I list them as variants, and they are not. I was just listing all of the changes I was aware of.
I have never seen a brass trigger, but I have seen several brass plated triggers. Do you have a brass trigger? I would love to get a photo of it for my list.
the wider ribbed trigger followed the brass plated if I remember correctly.
My goal is to get a complete list of the 760's and their variants. I'm sure I will never get all of the different variations made by Crosman
It boggles my mind with how many parts were interchanged during the years of manufacture.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 08, 2021, 05:27:31 PM
The very first 760 models had the square tang on the wooded butt stock.
I think they quickly changed it to the rounded tang, because the butt stocks were breaking at the square tang.
If they do have 1965 guns out there they will have the square tang. I have never seen any gun after 1966 with a square tang.
If any of you have a 1967 or later 760 with a square tang, let me know what year it is.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 08, 2021, 06:20:09 PM
Thanks for the input, I know I list them as variants, and they are not. I was just listing all of the changes I was aware of.
I have never seen a brass trigger, but I have seen several brass plated triggers. Do you have a brass trigger? I would love to get a photo of it for my list.
the wider ribbed trigger followed the brass plated if I remember correctly.
My goal is to get a complete list of the 760's and their variants. I'm sure I will never get all of the different variations made by Crosman
It boggles my mind with how many parts were interchanged during the years of manufacture.
I didn't know they were only brass plated, I thought they were actually made of brass.

If I had to guess I would assume the non plated flat trigger followed the brass one, then the wider serrated trigger design that carried on into plastic.

I think it's right to be listing these as variants for the most part, some of these things were not insignificant changes.

The addition of a fiber optic front sight is a very minor change that I wouldn't count that as a seperate variant, but beyond that there were some much more significant changes over the years.

Things like the bent steel front sight that was tack welded on.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 08, 2021, 06:53:07 PM
So on the " good one " the barrel band has a 4 5 date code,  and the serial number starts with 475.
As far as I know the serial number date codes start in July of 1975, not April.
The other starts with 1075.

Maybe a bunch of left over parts were found in '75 , and everyone just writes these off as late 60's guns when they see 'em ?.

Or is it just a coincidence?
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 08, 2021, 10:28:58 PM
I'm pretty sure it is hard to find an un-touched 760. They are out there, but far and few. Out of the many 760 models I have worked on, only a few appeared to be factory sealed. I try to keep the guns together as best as I can, but parts do get used in other guns from time to time. Almost every gun I have opened had the spring for the bolt detent missing, and many were also missing the detent itself. I was getting to believe that Crosman was leaving the detent springs out of the guns! The next part missing is almost always the spring to advance more BB's to the top of the gun, or it is crushed when they attempt to close the receiver.
Whenever I see an early model 760 for sale, I always look at the outer receiver screws for damage, and than I look at the top BB loading switch, if it is in the down position I'm pretty sure the spring is missing.

With the stamping of 45 on the barrel ring would make me think it was a very early gun. It should mean (April 1965) I have never seen one this early. Does the butt stock have the square tang?
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 08, 2021, 10:35:34 PM
The 1075 should mean Oct 1975, Are you talking about two guns, or are both numbers on the same gun?
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 08, 2021, 10:40:12 PM
Thanks for the input, I know I list them as variants, and they are not. I was just listing all of the changes I was aware of.
I have never seen a brass trigger, but I have seen several brass plated triggers. Do you have a brass trigger? I would love to get a photo of it for my list.
the wider ribbed trigger followed the brass plated if I remember correctly.
My goal is to get a complete list of the 760's and their variants. I'm sure I will never get all of the different variations made by Crosman
It boggles my mind with how many parts were interchanged during the years of manufacture.
I didn't know they were only brass plated, I thought they were actually made of brass.

If I had to guess I would assume the non plated flat trigger followed the brass one, then the wider serrated trigger design that carried on into plastic.

I think it's right to be listing these as variants for the most part, some of these things were not insignificant changes.

The addition of a fiber optic front sight is a very minor change that I wouldn't count that as a seperate variant, but beyond that there were some much more significant changes over the years.

Things like the bent steel front sight that was tack welded on.

I would agree the flat steel followed the plated brass trigger. I only know they are plated because if I polish them too far they are steel under the brass.
I'm sure I missed many small changes, but I'm trying to get a list that covers as much as I can. I'm only adding information to information shared by others.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 09, 2021, 12:16:07 AM
The 1075 should mean Oct 1975, Are you talking about two guns, or are both numbers on the same gun?
The nicer gun on top has a round stock tang.
It has 45 on the barrel band but also 475 in the serial number.
These 2 numbers are a bit too coincidental to be random, but if they're not random it would point towards Crosman having used the serial number date codes earlier than once believed making this an April of 1975 gun with multiple earlier components finding their way onto it one way or another.
The beat up gun with the Falcons sticker on it has 1075 in the serial number which I do know would be October of 75 if it is actually a date code on this particular gun.

I suppose it's possible a wood stock replaced the original styrene stock, but the trigger should be sintered steel in '75.

Remember this seller had 4 of these that all appeared to be identical ( plus the atlanta falcon I received ), and it's hard to imagine this many 1975 guns all getting the same type of stocks and triggers added to them.

Is it possible I suppose that in 1975 a bunch of guns were made with older parts which for some reason mostly went to Georgia .

Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 09, 2021, 02:48:53 PM
I cleaned the barrel up the best I could and it does look at least a bit better now.
(https://i.postimg.cc/nr5Gw8sr/20210909-103900.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/m1Y9t5yW)

I was going to just make a quickie temporary bolt for the other one but I was getting a lot of air blowing back in my face so I made a new one for mine.
(https://i.postimg.cc/2SXrc2GJ/20210909-104004.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PCZgNbBz)
I chucked it in a drill and spun it against the belt grinder when I first made it but i ended up having to trim it back and it was already bent, so I had to spin it by hand and it came out a little rough.

Almost no air blowing back in my face now.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 09, 2021, 04:42:30 PM
David,
For some reason I'm not seeing any of the photos you have posted.
That is why I'm asking so many questions about the guns, I just can't see them.
I'm going to try and upgrade my browser and see if that lets me see the photos.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 09, 2021, 04:46:22 PM
Well so no photos showing up on my end.
sounds like you are coming right along with the repairs.
Hopefully, I will have solved my photo issues by the time they are completed so that I can see them.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 09, 2021, 08:49:19 PM
David,
For some reason I'm not seeing any of the photos you have posted.
That is why I'm asking so many questions about the guns, I just can't see them.
I'm going to try and upgrade my browser and see if that lets me see the photos.
That is strange.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 09, 2021, 11:00:44 PM
This is the current list of Crosman 760's and the Western Auto Revelation.

Crosman; 59 / 42 / 006557 / 114 / 675460593 / 107838137 / 601109055 / O 03169436 / 820M13640

Western Auto; 58 / 05351889 / 15
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 09, 2021, 11:08:34 PM
I still have one more Western Auto to put together, and two more 1st ver. 760's
Can you tell I like Crosman pumpers?
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 10, 2021, 12:20:55 AM
I still have one more Western Auto to put together, and two more 1st ver. 760's
Can you tell I like Crosman pumpers?
I like 'em too, though I don't have many vintage Crosman pumpers.
As far as vintage Crosman goes I've got 3 pumpers, and 3 co2 guns.

This particular 760 is restoring some faith in the model, but I still can't say I wouldn't rather have a Canadian boy.

My last 760 with the solid styrene furniture weighed too much, the heavy stock was always shifting up or down, and it was not very accurate.

This one has a better weight,  the stock doesn't shift, and it's more accurate.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 11, 2021, 12:41:48 PM
I did some work on the barrel and tube of the rough 760, and now after buttoning the gun back up it's not working.
The air leaks back out while pumping it for some reason.

I'll have to take it back apart after work and figure out what I've done wrong.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bob27831 on September 14, 2021, 08:39:53 PM
Thanks for sharing your variant/model lists and descriptions.  I have most of the variants and a Revelation I restored.  I've found the same on missing detent springs and gate spring to hold the BB's.  FWIW, for the little detent spring, I put a small o-ring on the end that fits in the base hole, to wedge it in securely when putting the receivers back together.  Also, a piece of black electrical tape holds the BB loader spring in place until together, and you can just slide it out.  Perhaps you are aware of these tips, and have your own.  The Crosman service manual mentions whether the rifle has an earlier "gold" trigger, or later plain trigger.  Thought I'd share for anyone reading this new to 760 rebuilds.

Some time ago I posted images on the restoration of the Revelation.  It had similar rust issues, so I removed all the rust with sand paper and steel wool, and re-blued it with some Birchwood-Casey paste.  Turned out great and still had the hooded front sight.  I cleaned the barrel with brake cleaner, then rinsed with very hot water, and dried.  Then I applied the bluing paste and smeared it around until the reaction was done.  Rinse in VERY hot water, and dry with a couple of lint free paper (blue) shop towels to avoid finger prints.  Re-apply the bluing while the barrel is still hot, as it helps the bluing reaction.  I had to repeat this about 12-15 times, but each cycle only takes a few minutes.  Apply a bit of light oil, and your barrel will look brand new.

For the earlier brass bolts that are known to wear and give blow back in your face, I've built them up with solder, then honed down to get a good fit.  The solder is soft enough, it will actually create a little shoulder to seal the breech.  Hope that is helpful.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bob27831 on September 14, 2021, 08:52:20 PM
Not sure where I found the info below, maybe here on GWTAG!  Perhaps it will assist someone creating an official list, although as mentioned, between the manufacturer using up old stock, and owners swapping parts, there are sure to be variants of variants!

First variant. Wood stock and grooved wood forearm, brass bolt, smooth bore 1966-1970 (These smooth-bores shoot really well with pellets.)

Second variant with styrene stock & forearm & scope mount groove, brass bolt. Checkering on forearm 1971-1974

Third variant, self-cocking w/styrene stock & smooth wood forearm. 1974-1975

Fourth variant w/ABS stock & forearm. 1975-1977

Fifth variant w/manual cocking. Brass handle for bolt smooth bore 1977-1980

Model 760XL Powermaster Pneumatic, BB repeater, .177 cal., single shot pellet. brass finish on receiver and fancier plastic stock, rifled barrel 1978-1980

Sixth variant w/plastic bolt. metal receiver, rifled barrel 1980-1983

Seventh variant w/plastic receivers & w/welded sights. 1983-1991

Model 760/20 Pneumatic, BB repeater, .177 cal., single shot pellet. 20th year commemorative metal receiver rifled barrel 1985

Model 760B Pneumatic, BB repeater, .177 cal. single shot pellet. (Model 760 w/ black stock & forearm) rifled barrel Rifle 1988-1991

Eighth variant w/shortened barrel w/pressed on sights. Rifled barrel 1991-?

Nineth variant w/fiber optic front sight and 5 shot manual clip. smooth bore. current
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 15, 2021, 12:44:19 PM
Not sure where I found the info below, maybe here on GWTAG!  Perhaps it will assist someone creating an official list, although as mentioned, between the manufacturer using up old stock, and owners swapping parts, there are sure to be variants of variants!

First variant. Wood stock and grooved wood forearm, brass bolt, smooth bore 1966-1970 (These smooth-bores shoot really well with pellets.)

Second variant with styrene stock & forearm & scope mount groove, brass bolt. Checkering on forearm 1971-1974

Third variant, self-cocking w/styrene stock & smooth wood forearm. 1974-1975

Fourth variant w/ABS stock & forearm. 1975-1977

Fifth variant w/manual cocking. Brass handle for bolt smooth bore 1977-1980

Model 760XL Powermaster Pneumatic, BB repeater, .177 cal., single shot pellet. brass finish on receiver and fancier plastic stock, rifled barrel 1978-1980

Sixth variant w/plastic bolt. metal receiver, rifled barrel 1980-1983

Seventh variant w/plastic receivers & w/welded sights. 1983-1991

Model 760/20 Pneumatic, BB repeater, .177 cal., single shot pellet. 20th year commemorative metal receiver rifled barrel 1985

Model 760B Pneumatic, BB repeater, .177 cal. single shot pellet. (Model 760 w/ black stock & forearm) rifled barrel Rifle 1988-1991

Eighth variant w/shortened barrel w/pressed on sights. Rifled barrel 1991-?

Nineth variant w/fiber optic front sight and 5 shot manual clip. smooth bore. current
I think that may be the info from Crosman, but I'm not sure they list when the rifled barrels were used.
There have been variants after they stopped updating, and they do not acknowledge a couple significantly different variants of the gun that had been introduced through the 60's.

Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 16, 2021, 11:11:03 PM
Thanks for sharing your variant/model lists and descriptions.  I have most of the variants and a Revelation I restored.  I've found the same on missing detent springs and gate spring to hold the BB's.  FWIW, for the little detent spring, I put a small o-ring on the end that fits in the base hole, to wedge it in securely when putting the receivers back together.  Also, a piece of black electrical tape holds the BB loader spring in place until together, and you can just slide it out.  Perhaps you are aware of these tips, and have your own.  The Crosman service manual mentions whether the rifle has an earlier "gold" trigger, or later plain trigger.  Thought I'd share for anyone reading this new to 760 rebuilds.

Some time ago I posted images on the restoration of the Revelation.  It had similar rust issues, so I removed all the rust with sand paper and steel wool, and re-blued it with some Birchwood-Casey paste.  Turned out great and still had the hooded front sight.  I cleaned the barrel with brake cleaner, then rinsed with very hot water, and dried.  Then I applied the bluing paste and smeared it around until the reaction was done.  Rinse in VERY hot water, and dry with a couple of lint free paper (blue) shop towels to avoid finger prints.  Re-apply the bluing while the barrel is still hot, as it helps the bluing reaction.  I had to repeat this about 12-15 times, but each cycle only takes a few minutes.  Apply a bit of light oil, and your barrel will look brand new.

For the earlier brass bolts that are known to wear and give blow back in your face, I've built them up with solder, then honed down to get a good fit.  The solder is soft enough, it will actually create a little shoulder to seal the breech.  Hope that is helpful.

thanks for the tips and tricks on rebuilds. I use regular scotch tape when I install the BB retainer spring, and pull it out before the receiver is tight.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 16, 2021, 11:17:52 PM
I have posted this photo several times, but I'm going to post it again for this thread.
It is the before and after photos of a restored Western Auto revelation pumper.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Matchstickshooter on September 17, 2021, 02:35:56 PM
 Hi, John,
PM'ed you a bit ago about the bolt, but now I've a question about these 760's. This looks like the place to ask!

I have a barrel/pump tube that came in a pile of stuff my buddy dropped off the other day.

I have never seen this barrel before, and wonder if it's an early one.
 It is attached to the pump tube at the breech end with a screw.
And maybe a bb feed hole in the top of the barrel? 
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 17, 2021, 05:32:50 PM
Hi, John,
PM'ed you a bit ago about the bolt, but now I've a question about these 760's. This looks like the place to ask!

I have a barrel/pump tube that came in a pile of stuff my buddy dropped off the other day.

I have never seen this barrel before, and wonder if it's an early one.
 It is attached to the pump tube at the breech end with a screw.
And maybe a bb feed hole in the top of the barrel?

A photo would help.
Most of the early 760 type barrels have a similar breech opening.
The 1st ver. had from muzzle to breech; front sight screw hole, divot for barrel band, two more screw holes for the rear sight, air port under side, breech opening, detent hole side.
Well I'm pretty sure this is the order of holes.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Matchstickshooter on September 17, 2021, 06:08:16 PM
  I'll try to get you a pic.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 17, 2021, 06:13:38 PM
Hi, John,
PM'ed you a bit ago about the bolt, but now I've a question about these 760's. This looks like the place to ask!

I have a barrel/pump tube that came in a pile of stuff my buddy dropped off the other day.

I have never seen this barrel before, and wonder if it's an early one.
 It is attached to the pump tube at the breech end with a screw.
And maybe a bb feed hole in the top of the barrel?

It sounds like an early 760, but 140's and 1400's also had screws in the breech. I'm sure there are others that use that type of mount.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Matchstickshooter on September 17, 2021, 06:26:10 PM
  This had the earlier 760  plastic forarm (checkered) but I don't know from what variant.
  From muzzle end.. screw hole for front sight, divot for screw in metal barrel band, two screw holes for rear sight,
  and then this is what the breech end looks like...
(http://i.imgur.com/dG4mkPP.jpg) (https://imgur.com/dG4mkPP)

thinking I've seen a longer brass bolt for these ?
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Matchstickshooter on September 17, 2021, 06:31:12 PM
Hi, John,
PM'ed you a bit ago about the bolt, but now I've a question about these 760's. This looks like the place to ask!

I have a barrel/pump tube that came in a pile of stuff my buddy dropped off the other day.

I have never seen this barrel before, and wonder if it's an early one.
 It is attached to the pump tube at the breech end with a screw.
And maybe a bb feed hole in the top of the barrel?

It sounds like an early 760, but 140's and 1400's also had screws in the breech. I'm sure there are others that use that type of mount.


I've had an earlier Sears/ Crosman 1400 with breech cover  i restored and now have the Crosman 1400 Slimline.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 17, 2021, 06:33:16 PM
It looks like a 1st ver. 760.
Are you going to rebuild it?
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 17, 2021, 06:34:50 PM
They do use a longer brass bolt
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 17, 2021, 06:36:40 PM
This is a self cocker. once you put two or three pumps in it it will re-set and cock.
the newer ones, like the one you are currently working on need to be cocked before shooting.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Matchstickshooter on September 17, 2021, 06:36:58 PM
It looks like a 1st ver. 760.
Are you going to rebuild it?

  I have no use for it
The pressure tube,(with valve and forearm linkage) barrel, and that forearm that I removed all all there is too it.

Barrel and tube look pretty good.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 17, 2021, 06:39:21 PM
If you want to sell it let me know.
I can always add more parts to my give away pile  ;D
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 18, 2021, 01:39:55 AM
Warren,

Here are some photos of the parts you asked about.
I can't send them in the PM message so I posted them here.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 18, 2021, 06:23:48 AM
They started the plastic bb cover and plastic resr sight elevator that early?
I didn't realize that,  I thought those came with the first plastic receivers in '80-'81 or so.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 18, 2021, 12:36:42 PM
I think it was around ver #4
It is when they went to the hammed drop instead of the self cockers
I think that is why the bolt carrier is differant on ver. #4
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 19, 2021, 08:50:22 PM
This part
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Matchstickshooter on September 20, 2021, 11:33:16 AM
This part


Same area, but mine is shaped differently.  ;D
I would have thought the bolt dropping into that notch would hold it in place.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 20, 2021, 04:58:17 PM
I'm by no means a gunsmith, but that is the only thing I can think of.
I have an early 760 that still throws the bolt open after each shot.
I have not figured that out yet.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 20, 2021, 04:59:59 PM
Thanks for sharing your variant/model lists and descriptions.  I have most of the variants and a Revelation I restored.  I've found the same on missing detent springs and gate spring to hold the BB's.  FWIW, for the little detent spring, I put a small o-ring on the end that fits in the base hole, to wedge it in securely when putting the receivers back together.  Also, a piece of black electrical tape holds the BB loader spring in place until together, and you can just slide it out.  Perhaps you are aware of these tips, and have your own.  The Crosman service manual mentions whether the rifle has an earlier "gold" trigger, or later plain trigger.  Thought I'd share for anyone reading this new to 760 rebuilds.

Some time ago I posted images on the restoration of the Revelation.  It had similar rust issues, so I removed all the rust with sand paper and steel wool, and re-blued it with some Birchwood-Casey paste.  Turned out great and still had the hooded front sight.  I cleaned the barrel with brake cleaner, then rinsed with very hot water, and dried.  Then I applied the bluing paste and smeared it around until the reaction was done.  Rinse in VERY hot water, and dry with a couple of lint free paper (blue) shop towels to avoid finger prints.  Re-apply the bluing while the barrel is still hot, as it helps the bluing reaction.  I had to repeat this about 12-15 times, but each cycle only takes a few minutes.  Apply a bit of light oil, and your barrel will look brand new.

For the earlier brass bolts that are known to wear and give blow back in your face, I've built them up with solder, then honed down to get a good fit.  The solder is soft enough, it will actually create a little shoulder to seal the breech.  Hope that is helpful.

Your work turned out great!
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on September 20, 2021, 09:43:37 PM
With the right sized brass rod you can make a new bolt in 5 minutes if you don't care about shooting bb's.
The solder and careful fitting is obviously going to be the way to go if shooting BB's is important.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 20, 2021, 11:25:45 PM
thanks for the info on the bolt!
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: unionrdr on September 28, 2021, 11:04:41 AM
Awhile back, I restored a pretty rough 760 Powermaster variant 2 built 10/73 for a friend. It had the early form of Urea solid cast stocks. As that oil leached out of them, they could literally flake apart. Mostly the forestocks did this. This one was no exception. I found that they replaced them with the angular wood forestocks from the 761XL's and revelations. I went to Mike Baker at peter_built78@hotmail.com for replacement forestock and pump lever assembly that all needed replacing. Besides other small parts missing or damaged. I cleaned up the plastic butt stock and replacement wood forestock and gave them one coat of B/C Tru-Oil to protect them. Reblued all the steel parts and screws. I painted the receiver with gloss black Rustoleum after stripping and cleaning them. Looks darn good now after resealing and replacing missing parts or those with broken screws, etc.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/923/U8U1tN.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnU8U1tNj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/7KfLZ9.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po7KfLZ9j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/922/P7je12.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pmP7je12j)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/640x480q90/924/4V3mg5.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/po4V3mg5j)
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: jmoronic on September 28, 2021, 07:20:01 PM
That 760 turned out very nice.
I just love it when old stuff is restored.
I think that is why I like this site so much.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: unionrdr on September 29, 2021, 01:38:37 PM
That 760 turned out very nice.
I just love it when old stuff is restored.
I think that is why I like this site so much.
  Me too. I l0ve it when they finally come back together and you see it whole again for the first time. Something we can point at and say, " I did that!"
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Arland on November 12, 2021, 04:12:40 AM
This information all of you shared on this thread is awesome! Now I know why and when some of the 760s had square tangs and that helped me date one of mine. I thought the square tang was on Canadian models but that isn’t the case. And I learned the solder trick for sealing the bolt in the breech. Great idea! I’ve been using a coat of crazy glue on the last half inch or so of the bolt. Let it dry and sand it down until it fits snug. Works for about a hundred shots and needs redone though. I’ll do the solder method now. Thanks!
I guess I have a ‘66 model with square tang, a 1968( numbers found stamped  on barrel band) and one with no numbers but tootsie roll pump handle. It barely shoots so I will reseal it this week and post pics.
I also check the screws etc for signs of wear when I look one over.
The one I just got appears which needs resealed appears to be all original except for front sight and appears that it has never been opened up before. Here are a couple pictures of them. They really are one of the funnest Airguns to shoot and to restore.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Hoosier Daddy on November 12, 2021, 06:30:22 AM
posting for future reference
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: bantam5s on November 12, 2021, 12:29:36 PM
This reminds me that I still have that other 760 I need to rehab so I can give it to my dad.
It's really rough so I won't be going crazy, but as long as it shoots he'll be happy to have it.
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Hddriver on November 28, 2024, 09:23:53 AM
It would have been nice if you included the years with your list of variants



From the information I have gathered over the years working on Crosman 760 models, this is what I have put together. Please update any information that is not correct.

* "Canadian Boy" was the platform used to create the 760
* 1st- Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with square tang at receiver, no scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 2nd-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, no scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 3rd-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden tootsie roll forearm.
* 4th-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, Wooden stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden forearm. Some with finger grooved forearms
* 5th-Self-cocking metal receiver, brass bolt, plastic stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and wooden or plastic forearm.
* 6th-Hammed drop, metal receiver, brass bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 7th-Hammer drop, Hammed drop, metal receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 8th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 9th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver with slot for 5 shot magazine, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm.
* 10th-Hammer drop, plastic receiver, plastic bolt, ABS stock with round tang at receiver, with scope rail, and ABS forearm fiber optic front sight.
* 11th - The new slim-line 760 Classic.

*** a hand full of different colored stocks***
*** a few special editions***

**Western Auto-GC3376**
**Sears-126.19331**
Title: Re: 1st pattern 2nd variant 760
Post by: Matchstickshooter on November 28, 2024, 12:23:03 PM
 Someone had a list once I wish I had copied.
 It had the year and the variant, but also rifled or not with the barrel length.