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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Projectiles => Pellets all calibers => Topic started by: null on August 07, 2021, 11:22:37 PM
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What is this? Why don't they just make their regular pellets and leave well enough alone... I hate when manufacturers do this...
Also notice the count... $9.99 for 250 of .22? What a rip off...
They also look terrible... something I certainly wouldn't shoot in any of my guns!
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-essential-22-cal-13-7-grains-domed-250ct?p=1625 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-essential-22-cal-13-7-grains-domed-250ct?p=1625)
(https://www.pyramydair.com/images/PY-P-1625_Crosman-Essential-22-Cal_1628006558.jpg)
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Look under spec's section, you'll see they list 500 rds per tin,
and in another place 250 per tin,
what a ripoff........... >:(
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Get yer genuine hammered-finish pellets right here! ;D
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Get yer genuine hammered-finish pellets right here! ;D
They do remind me of a low grade H&N Hammer pellet ???
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I think I would have come up with a better name than "Essential Pellet". I like mrbulk's name better, "Hammered-finish Pellet".
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Then instead of 14.3g there 13.7.
How much savings over a year in lead cost .
I'm surprised crosman being under a holding company has not cut corners more then they have over the years. Like nced said they dropped the box pellets he liked to use , I've not seen a tin of domed around here in a long time , maybe over a year now. No telling what changes are yet to come.
Can't wait to see reviews here on them vs. the domed or cphp you been buying .
Do they still claim made in the USA ? I don't see that on your picture above .lol...
And not listed at crosman under .22 ammo yet
https://www.crosman.com/airgun-ammo?caliber=.22 (https://www.crosman.com/airgun-ammo?caliber=.22)
Maybe if they come me to my Walmart at 6.40$ a tin I'll try them , not at there pricing.
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That “hammered” finish on the pellets is caused by having the mould at the wrong temp. I’ve seen it when running ball for my muzzle loaders. You would think that someone would have caught that. :o
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"Recreational" around the perimeter suggests "plinking" not "Match" grade.
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I notice the actual photo of the pellet on the tin depicts the same hammered finish, except they look very consistent, almost digital. Meant to be?
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I don't see how the picture of the pellets makes a good selling point for them.
Sure don't come close to the pellet pictured on the tin cover.
To what Hoosier said.. really what crosman was ment for somthing above plinking anyway? Lol..... I don't see them being better then the run of the mill cphp
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I took a closer look at the picture on the tin. It looks like an artist rendering to me. The texture you see if you blow the picture up looks like an artist material called “Baxter paper” to me. Or if could be the pixelation if the image was generated on a computer.
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That “hammered” finish on the pellets is caused by having the mould at the wrong temp. I’ve seen it when running ball for my muzzle loaders. You would think that someone would have caught that. :o
Bummer these are most likely swaged, swaged to most means better quality ;)
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I wonder if the attempted hammer finish is the copy of dimpled finish on golf ball,
made to fly farther?
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Doubt it...
I see lazy quality, not intentional improvement.
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Look under spec's section, you'll see they list 500 rds per tin,
and in another place 250 per tin,
what a ripoff........... >:(
The 250 is .22, the 500 is .177
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Ken
See info here,
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-essential-22-cal-13-7-grains-domed-250ct?p=1625 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/crosman-essential-22-cal-13-7-grains-domed-250ct?p=1625)
I agree that the amounts per 177 & 22 cal are different,
but that is NOT what is listed under spec's info..............,
the description info does not track with the same as spec info ;)
Tia,
Don
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Let crosman ease your doubts
Product details..
22 Essential Domed Pellets by Crosman®. This product is made of high-quality materials to serve you for years to come. Designed using state-of-the-art technology and with customers in mind. It will meet your needs and deliver great quality at an affordable cost.
Ok ... Cphp at Walmart are $6.45 for 500 so ga these are $10 for 250 count.
So that's a lie..
Features:
Designed to help to get your job done right
Manufactured utilizing the highest quality materials
Built to provide exceptional levels of durability.
Someone please explain that durability part And serves me for years to come.
Can I shoot them more then once, or what?
Then unlike the rest still don't see crosman tout the made in USA as they do on there stuff/ pellets of old. They sure look like cheap imported .
Ya, looked like the old cheaper better product of hat ain't better and you get 1/2 the product at 2x the price.
Oh well as said all good things come to a end.
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Let crosman ease your doubts
Product details..
22 Essential Domed Pellets by Crosman®. This product is made of high-quality materials to serve you for years to come. Designed using state-of-the-art technology and with customers in mind. It will meet your needs and deliver great quality at an affordable cost.
Ok ... Cphp at Walmart are $6.45 for 500 so ga these are $10 for 250 count.
So that's a lie..
Features:
Designed to help to get your job done right
Manufactured utilizing the highest quality materials
Built to provide exceptional levels of durability.
Someone please explain that durability part And serves me for years to come.
Can I shoot them more then once, or what?
Then unlike the rest still don't see crosman tout the made in USA as they do on there stuff/ pellets of old. They sure look like cheap imported .
Ya, looked like the old cheaper better product of hat ain't better and you get 1/2 the product at 2x the price.
Oh well as said all good things come to a end.
The "durability" they speak of is caused by the higher levels of antimony they mix with their lead. It results in a harder, damage resistant pellet so they're less likely to get banged up in shipping or as you handle them.
I'd be happy if these stop being so undersized that I could load them without them falling down into the barrel where the rifling starts during loading.
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Let crosman ease your doubts
Product details..
22 Essential Domed Pellets by Crosman®. This product is made of high-quality materials to serve you for years to come. Designed using state-of-the-art technology and with customers in mind. It will meet your needs and deliver great quality at an affordable cost.
Ok ... Cphp at Walmart are $6.45 for 500 so ga these are $10 for 250 count.
So that's a lie..
Features:
Designed to help to get your job done right
Manufactured utilizing the highest quality materials
Built to provide exceptional levels of durability.
Someone please explain that durability part And serves me for years to come.
Can I shoot them more then once, or what?
Then unlike the rest still don't see crosman tout the made in USA as they do on there stuff/ pellets of old. They sure look like cheap imported .
Ya, looked like the old cheaper better product of hat ain't better and you get 1/2 the product at 2x the price.
Oh well as said all good things come to a end.
The "durability" they speak of is caused by the higher levels of antimony they mix with their lead. It results in a harder, damage resistant pellet so they're less likely to get banged up in shipping or as you handle them.
I'd be happy if these stop being so undersized that I could load them without them falling down into the barrel where the rifling starts during loading.
Lol.. ya, I rarely get one like they slipped a .177 in a tin of .22. in the cphp's.
What I see is the piranha are sized larger and more tighter fitting then the hp's. And seem to be more uniform fit.
So makes me wonder why the cphp are so random sized cause I don't get all the loose tight 1/2 way pellets per tin of them.
Anyway like I said maybe Walmart will get these recreational pellets in and I don't mind tring them.
I just got a gut feeling these are "imported" pellets that ain't no better or maybe worse then there CP line you get now. And 1/2 the tin count for x2 the price and the CP line is going to go away replaced by these things.
You know how it goes when they got you the costumer in mind, right?
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Guy's These pellets are rebranded pellets from a company in south America and are very low quality. I'm not going to list the name of the Mfg. or who I got this Info from to save him from grief at his place of employment but I can assure you it is from a very good source and is 100 percent fact. Don't waste your time or money unless you only want to plink cans or something! Have a great day!! J.L.
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Guy's These pellets are rebranded pellets from a company in south America and are very low quality. I'm not going to list the name of the Mfg. or who I got this Info from to save him from grief at his place of employment but I can assure you it is from a very good source and is 100 percent fact. Don't waste your time or money unless you only want to plink cans or something! Have a great day!! J.L.
Any word from that source if the CPHP are going away as well?
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These guys are from south America
Seemed I seen good reviews of them?
(Sportsman series)
There domed .22 pellets look close and a 250 count.
https://www.riflepellets.com/ (https://www.riflepellets.com/)
Could be a collaboration with crosman?
There Premium series look a bit better..
https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/new-kid-on-the-block-rifle-from-brazil/ (https://www.airgunnation.com/topic/new-kid-on-the-block-rifle-from-brazil/)
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It is about time the South America countries leave their drug business behind and start doing some good in the world and start making good products. Pellet production is a good start. Go Brazil!
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It is about time the South America countries leave their drug business behind and start doing some good in the world and start making good products. Pellet production is a good start. Go Brazil!
Or just another mule system...lol
They really need to change there brand name.
Rifle is too generic . You search for rifle pellets and get everything under the sun that has to do with a rifles instead it f going to there brand/ company site or any sales page
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That “hammered” finish on the pellets is caused by having the mould at the wrong temp.
The waist on many cheap ugly pellets is formed by rolling against striated wheels. No casting involved here...
Most small caliber pellets (and slugs) are cold formed - not cast:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAQzSkRZVg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAQzSkRZVg)
Here is a macro image library of airgun pellets: https://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=637.0 (https://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/board/index.php?topic=637.0)
(http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/pics/Zoltan/JSB_TargetSport_Front.jpg)
(http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/pics/Zoltan/RWS_Superfield_Front.jpg)
(http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/pics/Zoltan/Milbro_Caledonian_Front.jpg)
(http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/pics/Zoltan/Eley_WaspRound_Front.jpg)
(http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/pics/Zoltan/Milbro_Select_Front.jpg)
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(http://www.crosman-air-pistol-owners-forum.com/pics/Zoltan/COAL_WhitePelletNormal_Upside.jpg)
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Optimism extinguished
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It is about time the South America countries leave their drug business behind and start doing some good in the world and start making good products. Pellet production is a good start. Go Brazil!
Or just another mule system...lol
They really need to change there brand name.
Rifle is too generic . You search for rifle pellets and get everything under the sun that has to do with a rifles instead it f going to there brand/ company site or any sales page
Not many US based sellers is part of it. I only found them from a couple random posts mentioning them so went searching myself. If you go on their website: https://www.riflepellets.com/, (https://www.riflepellets.com/,) it gives you a Buy option and the links take you to Amazon which of the ones I looked at, they were out of stock.
There's also an Ebay seller that uses the name olbonco and has an Ebay store called Warner Sports: https://www.ebay.com/str/warnersporting?_trksid=p2047675.l2563 (https://www.ebay.com/str/warnersporting?_trksid=p2047675.l2563) , which is where I got mine from. I got some of the Diabolo Promax 14.5gr .22's and some of the Premium Series in .177 (8.33gr) and .22 (18.67gr). Only shot them in a couple guns so far so I haven't truly tested them but so far, I have no complaints. Clean, lubed, very little swarf in the bottoms of the tins and so far no bent skirts and he packed pretty well and no damaged tins.
I did send some to LtDan to play with. Not sure what final conclusions he came to, so maybe he'll see this and chime in.
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Ya, that a guy seems to have full control on that rifle brand for us market .. seems overseas like uk there more retail available?
You'd think these pellet manufacturer would get there product out there more , bit they don't.
I guess that way they keep a firm price control .
Dan did seem to post somthing on the rifle pellets , but what thread I can't recall..
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If you believe in air gun forum rumors, one of them says Trenier might be taking a shot at carrying them in the future. True, not true, not a clue...lol.
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If you believe in air gun forum rumors, one of them says Trenier might be taking a shot at carrying them in the future. True, not true, not a clue...lol.
I gave P.A a product request . Seems they have a email link for guys to do that , anyway asked about the rifle and Norma pellets if they could carry the brands like a month or so ago , and just got the company copy and paste thanks for your interest reply ..lol. Like why did I expect more?
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If Norma has started reducing the amount of swarf in their tins I'd give them another try, they were accurate, 9.? Grains, and fast. Did 840 out of my usually 12 fpe hw95. That'd be a good longer range load.
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If Norma has started reducing the amount of swarf in their tins I'd give them another try, they were accurate, 9.? Grains, and fast. Did 840 out of my usually 12 fpe hw95. That'd be a good longer range load.
I guess that comes and goes with any brand.
Like of 24 tins were pretty clean and one or two with some but then the one of the bunch like this.
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You must have gotten the bottom of the bin Deeco. I bought a tin of the .177 wadcutters and two of the .22 domes and they were all clean as you could want. I was disappointed with the accuracy at first but then I discovered that one of my Crosman 1400’s is laser accurate with the .22’s and the wadcutters shoot well in my Crosman 357. IMO they are a little pricy but I will be buying more of the .22’s.
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You must have gotten the bottom of the bin Deeco. I bought a tin of the .177 wadcutters and two of the .22 domes and they were all clean as you could want. I was disappointed with the accuracy at first but then I discovered that one of my Crosman 1400’s is laser accurate with the .22’s and the wadcutters shoot well in my Crosman 357. IMO they are a little pricy but I will be buying more of the .22’s.
More like floor sweepings the guy just dumped in a tin cause he did not want to walk to the scrap bin...lol.
Ya, I get far more clean tins then dirty. It just you do get dirty from time to time. That pdf ne so far been my most excessively dirty tin I ever got.
The guy above may as well try the pellets again . How s next buy may be great and good clean . .... Then it may not .
The crosman recreational pellets . I don't see buying them at $10 for 250 count when cphp are $6 for 500 . Unless crosman plans to discontinued the CP line and shaft us with these as there replacement line .
To be honest I don't put it past them to do that real soon..