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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => Turkish AirGun Gate => Topic started by: WyoMan on July 24, 2021, 10:29:47 PM
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So what’s new?... The only thing that I’ve found new is the trigger… and it’s a huge improvement. The trigger has a nice two-stage setup with a snappy resetting first-stage. More on that later…
Here’s the gun out of the box:
(https://i.imgur.com/qVvkl5K.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eo6RVGz.jpg)
First thing I did was a give it a good oiling. Apply oil to the oil wick (white spongy thing) when it’s aligned with the oiler hole. The first stage seal (blue thing) will be seen first when the overlever is about 20º open. Open it a bit further and you’ll see the oil wick as shown:
(https://i.imgur.com/32iy67t.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rCTRgbP.jpg)
I oiled it until it was shooting oil out of the barrel. Perfect. The light-weight oil carries debris with it, keeping the internals clean. It also keeps the seals wet. The surface oil on the seals will do three things - all are good. It reduces wear on the sliding surfaces, it provides a more positive low-pressure seal, and it’s a barrier for O2 and O3 degradation.
Next was a good barrel cleaning and it needed it. But surprisingly, the barrel leade and the end cut looked pretty good. And the breech seal actually seals (I think):
(https://i.imgur.com/5moIcXh.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5r95RnZ.jpg)
The 2-stage trigger is really good right out of the box... not quite on par with a HW-75 or FAS-6004, but close. After trying all of the adjustments (and there are many), I returned them all to the factory setting except for the second-stage position. The adjustment screw for the second stage was turned-in 1/2 turn CW. This adjustment made the second-stage a little more crisp without hanging the snappy reset of first-stage.
This trigger assembly is complex enough that it has its own manual:
(https://i.imgur.com/F6kfsYM.jpg)
My initial thoughts were to leave everything as-is… and I don’t think there’s anything that has to be done aside from cleaning and lube.
But, I did replace the fake brake with a real one, installed a 1 MOA reflex dot, and then some walnut grips for now:
(https://i.imgur.com/194d29I.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/amORTHa.jpg)
Range report to follow…
Wyo
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Sir, you took a nice gun and made it beautiful. If it shoots like it looks, it will be a great one.
Enjoy it in good health.
Cheers,
Ted
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Very nice, Gary. Beautiful gun!
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Very nice upgrades to an already cool pistol, can't wait to receive my .22...
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And might I ask where you sourced those grips. I have a pistol coming next week and would like to get away from all black.
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And might I ask where you sourced those grips. I have a pistol coming next week and would like to get away from all black.
In .22 or .177? But I will give my grips a try first, especially since it has the adjustable palm shelf.
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Thanks, guys.
Jeff, I got the grips here:
https://www.formgriffe.de/en/ (https://www.formgriffe.de/en/)
They fit perfectly and are nicely made.
Haven't had much time but did run some over the chrony. Showing the standard length barrel for comparison (one of the older models a few years back)...
(https://i.imgur.com/DO6fHaV.jpg)
You will do a bit better at lower elevation with the thicker air, but... at four pumps you might reach the limit for the pressure relief valve.
Wyo
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You didn't state which oil you used.
Please inform.
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Hi Dennis,
I don't remember... That was a couple months ago as I was patiently waiting for the grips, LDC and reddot to arrive, ;D
It was either the stuff that comes with the gun, or this:
(https://i.imgur.com/cQBBRul.jpg)
Wyo
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Hi Dennis,
I don't remember... That was a couple months ago as I was patiently waiting for the grips, LDC and reddot to arrive, ;D
It was either the stuff that comes with the gun, or this:
(https://i.imgur.com/cQBBRul.jpg)
Wyo
That's interesting, as I use only a synth grease on my HP-01's and similar P-17's. I would think that an oil may be a bit too light.
???
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Well, I'd use what gives one the best results.
Light-weight oil gives me great results, especially when combined with an oil wick, which operates as an oil dispenser...
Wyo
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Well, I'd use what gives one the best results.
Light-weight oil gives me great results, especially when combined with an oil wick, which operates as an oil dispenser...
Wyo
I actually never realized that there was an oil "wick" inside the HP-01, so you have taught me something.
Thanks. ;)
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Thanks, guys.
Jeff, I got the grips here:
https://www.formgriffe.de/en/ (https://www.formgriffe.de/en/)
They fit perfectly and are nicely made.
Haven't had much time but did run some over the chrony. Showing the standard length barrel for comparison (one of the older models a few years back)...
(https://i.imgur.com/DO6fHaV.jpg)
You will do a bit better at lower elevation with the thicker air, but... at four pumps you might reach the limit for the pressure relief valve.
Wyo
Which grip did you get? Looking at the website, I am unable to find your grip. But, me not finding something is not unusual.
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Thanks, guys.
Jeff, I got the grips here:
https://www.formgriffe.de/en/ (https://www.formgriffe.de/en/)
They fit perfectly and are nicely made.
Haven't had much time but did run some over the chrony. Showing the standard length barrel for comparison (one of the older models a few years back)...
(https://i.imgur.com/DO6fHaV.jpg)
You will do a bit better at lower elevation with the thicker air, but... at four pumps you might reach the limit for the pressure relief valve.
Wyo
Which grip did you get? Looking at the website, I am unable to find your grip. But, me not finding something is not unusual.
Look for “By Discipline”, then click on Recreational Air Pistols.
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It will take you to 4 variants of their Zoraki woodwork.
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Those grips are not cheap— around $200 or a bit less shipped.
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Ah, found them, thank you.
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I remember, at one time, there was a French-made grip set for the Zoraki.
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I remember, at one time, there was a French-made grip set for the Zoraki.
Mr. Gary does not seem to have an unmodified pistol ;D
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=157212.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=157212.0)
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Mr. Gary does not seem to have an unmodified pistol ;D
LOL, never thought of it that way... what I don't have... might have to get some more :o
Hope to shoot some targets tonight. It's somewhat sighted-in already... did that during the chrony testing... multitasking? ;D
Wyo
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Thanks, guys.
Jeff, I got the grips here:
https://www.formgriffe.de/en/ (https://www.formgriffe.de/en/)
They fit perfectly and are nicely made.
Haven't had much time but did run some over the chrony. Showing the standard length barrel for comparison (one of the older models a few years back)...
(https://i.imgur.com/DO6fHaV.jpg)
You will do a bit better at lower elevation with the thicker air, but... at four pumps you might reach the limit for the pressure relief valve.
Wyo
Thanks Gary
I may have to see about a set of those after I get my pistol. A bit pricy but they look good and I like the feel of wood in my hand much better than plastic or rubber any day. Maxarmory shows my pistol shipped 5 days ago, but Fla post office shows package acceptance pending. I just emailed Maxarmory and they think it simply was not scanned and it should be here this week, hope so.
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Thanks, Jeff.
The same thing happened to me. The item apparently wasn't scanned. There were no tracking updates for the first week, and then two days later it was delivered.
You should be getting really close...
Wyo
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Yes Gary, I am hoping it will arrive this week. After reading about it I wanted one for the extra power, read velocity, for a longer range pistol. I have been playing with the Crosman 22xx base pistol, and now have several in various configurations, all with upgraded triggers, power adjusters and sights. I also have a HW 75 and finally an old Beeman(Diana) Original 6 out for repair. It is one of the Gliss system, recoiless break barrel springers, heavy but very accurate. I am hoping to have it back in a week or so.
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Jeff - Who is doing the repair on your Diana Model 6?
I have a Model 6M Match that needs rebuilt.
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(https://i.postimg.cc/851QWR2Y/20200604-133958.jpg)
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Dennis
I sent it to David Slade at Airgunwerks.com. He did a FWB 124 late last year and did an excellent job. I think reading his site he was an armorer for Beemans and had some formal training in England on airguns. These are rather complicated guns with the Gliss system, so will be rather expensive.
I wish mine were more like the one you pictured. Mine has a big one piece plastic stock/grip and no barrel shroud.
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Thanks. That's what I thought.
Slade has been recommended by many others here including the Guru (Hector Medina).
I am quite familiar with the Giss system. I just don't have time to do it myself.
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Thanks, guys.
Jeff, I got the grips here:
https://www.formgriffe.de/en/ (https://www.formgriffe.de/en/)
They fit perfectly and are nicely made.
Haven't had much time but did run some over the chrony. Showing the standard length barrel for comparison (one of the older models a few years back)...
(https://i.imgur.com/DO6fHaV.jpg)
You will do a bit better at lower elevation with the thicker air, but... at four pumps you might reach the limit for the pressure relief valve.
Wyo
Thanks Gary
I may have to see about a set of those after I get my pistol. A bit pricy but they look good and I like the feel of wood in my hand much better than plastic or rubber any day. Maxarmory shows my pistol shipped 5 days ago, but Fla post office shows package acceptance pending. I just emailed Maxarmory and they think it simply was not scanned and it should be here this week, hope so.
Ordered on the 22nd, shipped on the 23rd, just checked and today it is in TX and supposed to deliver Monday August 2.
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Shot a couple groups the other night (using 2 pumps)..
10-shot groups from 10m, rested:
(https://i.imgur.com/Eb2QZUS.jpg)
Nothing horrible and it looks like it has potential, so I'm willing to call this a promising start.
Wyo
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Shot a couple groups the other night (using 2 pumps)..
10-shot groups from 10m, rested:
(https://i.imgur.com/Eb2QZUS.jpg)
Nothing horrible and it looks like it has potential, so I'm willing to call this a promising start.
Wyo
Nice shooting. And interesting that you're powering down to two pumps, but that makes sense at 10m.
I'm shooting mine at 4 pumps (trying to optimize the full power of the Ultra) at about 20m., but still searching for the proper pellet (weight-wise).
These guns shoot great at any reasonable distance for their power level, and the variability of them in power is a big plus, as you have demonstrated.
I first considered them as 20+ yds. accuracy shooting, but I really think you can get them out to 30+ decent accuracy with a proper pellet.
Wyo - What pellets did you use in those two groupings, and what sort of FPE are you obtaining? (I understand that FPE depends on # of pumps).
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Mine finally showed up on USPS tracking last night, in Coppell, Tx processing center, 7 days from Florida to there, Now it has to make it 150 miles back east to just south of Tyler, Tx.
I often wonder about the various shippers, I had a box, USPS from Maryland last week, took 3 days total. I have an airgun in Fedex right now, that was out for repair. It's coming from Minor Hill, Tn, just north of the Alabama state line, out in the boondocks as far as I can see, shipped yesterday and scheduled for delivery tomorrow.
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Well it finally showed up early this afternoon. USPS tracking said it was delivered to an individual and signed for by J King, I am J King and did not sign for anything, it was simply left on our front porch.
I applied a few drops of oil to the hole as shown, waited a few minutes then took it out for a few shots, I was using some newer pellets, cannot remember the brand right now but .177 made like the old Beeman silver jet, and they are too tight to use easliy so will try something else in a day or so when it cools off some outside. I see I need to build up some muscles, for pumping this thing, two pumps is stiff, 3 rather hard and did not try 4, so for the time being it will probably be a 2 pumper for me, good enough for close range targets. The light was just right from behind me and shooting at a flat black target, so I could see the pellet in it's brief flight, even with the 3 pumps. Trigger seems nice. I wish the owners manual were printed in a larger darker font, it's hard for these old eyes to read, even after cataract surgery a couple of months ago. I had progressive lenses made, mostly for the distance I work at, and some more powerful dollar store readers will probably make the manual ok, just have to round them up.
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Well it finally showed up early this afternoon. USPS tracking said it was delivered to an individual and signed for by J King, I am J King and did not sign for anything, it was simply left on our front porch.
I applied a few drops of oil to the hole as shown, waited a few minutes then took it out for a few shots, I was using some newer pellets, cannot remember the brand right now but .177 made like the old Beeman silver jet, and they are too tight to use easliy so will try something else in a day or so when it cools off some outside. I see I need to build up some muscles, for pumping this thing, two pumps is stiff, 3 rather hard and did not try 4, so for the time being it will probably be a 2 pumper for me, good enough for close range targets. The light was just right from behind me and shooting at a flat black target, so I could see the pellet in it's brief flight, even with the 3 pumps. Trigger seems nice. I wish the owners manual were printed in a larger darker font, it's hard for these old eyes to read, even after cataract surgery a couple of months ago. I had progressive lenses made, mostly for the distance I work at, and some more powerful dollar store readers will probably make the manual ok, just have to round them up.
Yeah, USPS/UPS tends to do that these days. Sometimes the notation says "handed off to individual" even though no one was home.
Anyway, you will find that the trigger adjustment instructions are not only hard to physically read, they are hard to understand. That is why I recommended (perhaps in my other thread) that you remove the right hand grip and palm shelf to actually see what each adjustment is doing. The adjustment hole from directly behind the grip is rather difficult to feel a complete engagement of the Torx tool. While you're in there, a bit of light synth grease on the "touchy-feely" contact areas of the trigger and sear would not hurt.
I don't recall what caliber you ordered, but I find flat nose (wadcutters) or rounded to perform better than those Silver Jet pointy's.
Good luck, and if you need any help, feel free to voice out. I've been in and out of these pistols a fair amount.
For the most part, they do not need any mod'ing, but some adjustments and a bit of lube will make it shine.
:D
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I understand that about the instructions not easy to comprehend. I spent two years in Turkey back in the early 70's while the USAF, and some of their logic was difficult to comprehend. I suspect it carried over in translations.
I will pop the right grip off and look at the innards and put some synthetic grease on moving contacts. Any other suggestions.
I looked and really could not see a trigger sear contact. I took a toothpick and "applied" a bit up in the areas that I could not see, plus on parts that seemed to slide in the frame.
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I understand that about the instructions not easy to comprehend. I spent two years in Turkey back in the early 70's while the USAF, and some of their logic was difficult to comprehend. I suspect it carried over in translations.
I will pop the right grip off and look at the innards and put some synthetic grease on moving contacts. Any other suggestions.
Not really. This gun does not need anything special in the way of tuning. I suppose one could go overboard and start polishing bits and pieces, but in my experience, the way it comes from the factory is just fine. Just make sure that it's properly lubed, which it should be straight out of the box.
My main thing was that with the right grip cover off, you can actually see how the tool engages, and what it does from each direction - from straight behind, and from the bottom.
Once you sort of get that visual in your head, you'll be able to more easily make the adjustments.
As far as I remember, nothing should come flying out (springs, etc.) when you remove the grip, but keep an eye on it just in case I have remembered incorrectly. Hold a towel over it when you remove the grip, just in case.
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No nothing came flying out. Being a pump up I am going to assume that it can be dry fired, correct? I would like to do that and check the trigger pull with a digital gauge before thinking about anything, plus would like to get a few hundred shots through it, or at least dry fire a good bit with one pump to let things settle in. It seems quite nice as it is, but I have always been in search of a better trigger. I guess my old FWB 300 s ruined me for sloppy triggers. I do like the way this one adjust front to rear and rotates to fit the finger pad like the FWB does, a nice touch.
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Yes, it can be dry fired. I mentioned that in my other HP-01 thread.
Open it up until you can just hear it click, but not a full compression stroke. In that other thread, I mentioned opening it up just a few inches. It actually needs to open to between 30 - 45 degrees to make the trigger engage, but this will still not be a full stroke.
Honestly even if you did do one full stroke, it would not harm it in a dry fire.
It's one of the nice things about this pistol, to be able to dry fire it.
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I just took it out with my Wheeler gauge, Pull runs rather consistent 1.4-l.5 lbs. Like I said I will leave it alone until after it has been fired a bit and then think about some adjustment to the first stage and then the let off.
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I've never measured mine. I just adjust it (that sounds weird) until I like it.
It's an incredibly nice trigger, which makes it one of my favorites to shoot.
:D
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Nothing wrong with adjusting it until you like it. With all the tools/toys available I had gotten to the point where I wanted to know the let off force, hence the pull gauge. I did what you say for many years and still base my results more on feel than actual numbers. I will say this one is one of the best out of the box guns I have seen. Got to work this morning, so will be too hot to shoot this afternoon, so maybe tomorrow, which is again supposed to be hot, upper 90's, or Monday after a cool front hits us lowering outdoor temps to upper 80's
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What pellets did you use in those two groupings, and what sort of FPE are you obtaining?
I'm using jsb 8.44 gr shooting at about 500 fps for 4.5 fpe
Wyo
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At the risk of enabling the Zoraki fans, I got an email from maxarmory for 10% off... code 10off
So this time I ordered an Ultra in .22 cal... total with shipping was 250.
Wyo
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At the risk of enabling the Zoraki fans, I got an email from maxarmory for 10% off... code 10off
So this time I ordered an Ultra in .22 cal... total with shipping was 250.
Wyo
Dang, so did I...so after getting my .22, now I'm a-scairt I'll follow you and order a - *gulp* - .177! ;D
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At the risk of enabling the Zoraki fans, I got an email from maxarmory for 10% off... code 10off
So this time I ordered an Ultra in .22 cal... total with shipping was 250.
Wyo
Dang, so did I...so after getting my .22, now I'm a-scairt I'll follow you and order a - *gulp* - .177! ;D
Same here, got the discount email. I was gonna post it as well, but just didn't get around to it.
I changed out both of mine (originally in .22) for a .177 barrel. I really believe that .177 is the sweet spot for this pistol.
When I bought my first one it was off ebay, but it was literally NIB. Still however in .22. Since I shoot only .177, I went to TW Chambers, and they listed the .177 barrel, but it was OOS. I put myself their re-stock notification list. I got the notification about three months later. I immediately bought it (via my phone LOL). I checked their stock a day later and it appears that I had bought the only one they had re-stocked. That was four years ago.
On my second HP-01, .177 was not available from Max, so I consigned CraigH (GTA member) to turn a Crosman Discovery .177 barrel to match the dims.
My point here is that now that Max Armory is offering an HP-01-2 in .177 (https://maxarmory.com/collections/airsoft-replicas-1/products/zoraki-hp01-ultra-22-cal-black-multi-pump-pneumatic-air-pistol)...... BUY IT!!
And don't forget the shoulder stock (https://maxarmory.com/collections/airsoft-replicas-1/products/zoraki-hp01-shoulder-stock).
The 10% offering code is 10off. Offer ends on 8/8/2021 12am PST BTW.
ENABLERS UNITE!!
;) :D
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I finally got around to shooting mine a little bit this morning. I had been fussing with a Crosman 2300T that would not adequately pierce a CO2 cart and give any kind of velocity, but finally got that fixed. Hopped it up a bit in the process and in the end discovered that the problem was a too long rear trigger/grip housing screw which was binding the hammer spring. I fired a couple of shots from the Zoraki, a bit high and left, so some quick adjustments, this was at about 20 feet, then moved to some hanging soda cans out at about 20 yards now. Still a little high with the same two pumps, so a couple of quick clicks down and now have a minute of soda can gun. I just need to get it out some more and develope some more muscles for pumping it up.
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You should be able to get much better than minute of can accuracy. I just went out and shot my HP-01-2, .177, with Meisterkugeln 7g, and hit five shots within a quarter, approx 15yds., and that with an El Cheapo Chinese red dot. How does one say El Cheapo in Chinese?
Ahh! Nevermind, found it. 便宜貨
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Glad you got your 2300 sorted out, Jeff. It is easier to operate than the Zoraki when everything works and seals and you don't have extreme temp variations, and etc.
But it's also nice to have variety and I agree with Dennis... the Zoraki should shoot exceptional for you if your eyesight is o.k. Enjoy! :D
Wyo
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No doubt it will be very accurate. I was surprised how easy it was to "fine" adjust shooting at cans, by watching where pellet was hitting grass. I will fine tune it on paper some day, but for now will shoot at the cans, I am using an old saw horse, with some string hangers with "S" hooks to hang cans on using the pull tabs as hanging point. It is more fun to sit back and watch them jump than to shoot paper all the time. My eyes are ok, I'm 75 and just had cataract surgery a few months ago, and have never had problems with iron sights, I was nearsighted, and am now more farsighted, always wore glasses since I was about 13 years old, so went ahead and had some progressive lens glasses made, opposite of my old ones. Now plain glass up top and basically readers on the bottom part so I see my sights as more fuzzy and the target in sharper focus especially if shooting without the glasses which I simply could not do before the surgery.
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The .22 cal Ultra came in a few days ago…
Cleaned the barrel, lubed the pistons, adjusted the trigger, and then ran the chrony:
1 pump 266 fps 2.5 fpe
2 378 5.0
3 445 7.0
4 495 8.6
The above was using jsb 15.89gr at 7000’ elev. … not too bad with the 10.2” barrel.
However, these things look like a blank canvas to me… so I went to work on the upper..
(https://i.imgur.com/gCEiX0T.jpg)
Two additional picatinny slots were cut to mount the scope and then a test mount to check the fit.
The rear scope ring will be used as a cocking/pumping handle. It’s robust enough and makes the pumping easier.
The shroud is from ¾” delrin tube stock…it needed a clean-up turn and then drilled to .484”
The barrel is a 13.5” cut from an LW blank… it has a close fit to the shroud, which will get a setscrew later…
(https://i.imgur.com/y2XZI8v.jpg)
Lots of fun -
Wyo
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Very very nice work there Gary.
You are taking this to a much higher level than I would have ever thought possible.
I would be interested in having you turn me an LW threaded barrel in .177 if possible.
PM me if interested.
Very nice work there!!
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The .22 cal Ultra came in a few days ago…
Cleaned the barrel, lubed the pistons, adjusted the trigger, and then ran the chrony:
1 pump 266 fps 2.5 fpe
2 378 5.0
3 445 7.0
4 495 8.6
The above was using jsb 15.89gr at 7000’ elev. … not too bad with the 10.2” barrel.
However, these things look like a blank canvas to me… so I went to work on the upper..
(https://i.imgur.com/gCEiX0T.jpg)
Two additional picatinny slots were cut to mount the scope and then a test mount to check the fit.
The rear scope ring will be used as a cocking/pumping handle. It’s robust enough and makes the pumping easier.
The shroud is from ¾” delrin tube stock…it needed a clean-up turn and then drilled to .484”
The barrel is a 13.5” cut from an LW blank… it has a close fit to the shroud, which will get a setscrew later…
(https://i.imgur.com/y2XZI8v.jpg)
Lots of fun -
Wyo
Looks like good work cutting those pictnanny slots. I really did not want to try that, plus not knowing how to refinish properly. I did in my parts box find an old set of high either Warne or Talley QD rings that have a removable bar for the pictnanny slot. I removed one of the bars and it fits perfectly to the rear of the slot, so I can have one ring with the bar in the slot and one without.
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The .22 cal Ultra came in a few days ago…
Cleaned the barrel, lubed the pistons, adjusted the trigger, and then ran the chrony:
1 pump 266 fps 2.5 fpe
2 378 5.0
3 445 7.0
4 495 8.6
The above was using jsb 15.89gr at 7000’ elev. … not too bad with the 10.2” barrel.
However, these things look like a blank canvas to me… so I went to work on the upper..
(https://i.imgur.com/gCEiX0T.jpg)
Two additional picatinny slots were cut to mount the scope and then a test mount to check the fit.
The rear scope ring will be used as a cocking/pumping handle. It’s robust enough and makes the pumping easier.
The shroud is from ¾” delrin tube stock…it needed a clean-up turn and then drilled to .484”
The barrel is a 13.5” cut from an LW blank… it has a close fit to the shroud, which will get a setscrew later…
(https://i.imgur.com/y2XZI8v.jpg)
Lots of fun -
Wyo
Wyoman/Senor Gary, reigns supreme again!
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Now I am having thoughts, .20 LW barrel in my possession, modded a few P-17s, , must buy another Zoraki to tinker with ;D
Thanks Gary you just turned this gun into a rich mans P-17 8)
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The .22 cal Ultra came in a few days ago…
Cleaned the barrel, lubed the pistons, adjusted the trigger, and then ran the chrony:
1 pump 266 fps 2.5 fpe
2 378 5.0
3 445 7.0
4 495 8.6
The above was using jsb 15.89gr at 7000’ elev. … not too bad with the 10.2” barrel.
However, these things look like a blank canvas to me… so I went to work on the upper..
(https://i.imgur.com/gCEiX0T.jpg)
Two additional picatinny slots were cut to mount the scope and then a test mount to check the fit.
The rear scope ring will be used as a cocking/pumping handle. It’s robust enough and makes the pumping easier.
The shroud is from ¾” delrin tube stock…it needed a clean-up turn and then drilled to .484”
The barrel is a 13.5” cut from an LW blank… it has a close fit to the shroud, which will get a setscrew later…
(https://i.imgur.com/y2XZI8v.jpg)
Lots of fun -
Wyo
Awesome idea! Although I am hesitant about filing grooves on my new Zoraki, I do like that idea of using the rear scope ring as a pumping handle...
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You can order a used cocking arm from TW Chambers.
Part #BK229.
Order up whatever other parts you think you might need in the future to make the shipping worthwhile.
https://www.gunspares.co.uk/products/24990/HP%2D01/ (https://www.gunspares.co.uk/products/24990/HP%2D01/)
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Thanks, guys.
Dennis, I appreciate the consideration but I am sorry… too much anxiety about doing that.
Jeff, that sounds like a good solution, congrats. These pistols are not the most accommodating for sight aid.
James, go for it. A .20 cal would be interesting and I think your analogy is spot-on.
Charlie, that’s understandable… making a permanent alteration where’s there no going back but I like Dennis’ idea to use a spare part… then you always have the option to return to original.
Hey Rick, right back at you, man.
Waiting on some stuff before I can finish…
Wyo
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Okay I am going to try out this config. I can get my hand between the scope and rear sight area for better leverage when I pump the heavier (#3 & #4) strokes.
It is 102°F out right now but whenever it cools off I will shoot a group or two. The scope is a 4-12x.
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Okay I am going to try out this config. I can get my hand between the scope and rear sight area for better leverage when I pump the heavier (#3 & #4) strokes.
It is 102°F out right now but whenever it cools off I will shoot a group or two. The scope is a 4-12x.
Wow!
That is a whole lot of cantilever on one single scope ring.
Granted, these are not magnum guns, but still I would anticipate a bunch of scope issues down the road.
Not trying to dissuade you or bust your bubble, but let us know how that assembly actually works out.
:D
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Okay I am going to try out this config. I can get my hand between the scope and rear sight area for better leverage when I pump the heavier (#3 & #4) strokes.
It is 102°F out right now but whenever it cools off I will shoot a group or two. The scope is a 4-12x.
Wow!
That is a whole lot of cantilever on one single scope ring.
Granted, these are not magnum guns, but still I would anticipate a bunch of scope issues down the road.
Not trying to dissuade you or bust your bubble, but let us know how that assembly actually works out.
:D
If it works out I will likely buy a BugBuster or a similar compact scope, I used this longer 4-12x because it was the only unoccupied scope at the moment ;)
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Actually with the SeeAll it becomes I the ideal combo but I can only reasonably see out to 15-20 yards max (I make 70 next year) so my eyes demand magnification! ;D
But also because the gun makes near-600 fps (580 fps chrono’d) with 14.3 JSBs at 4 pumps, so the lob trajectory is not that pronounced; meaning even in .22 I believe this gun (actually pistol)is likely capable of great accuracy out past 25+M yards but my eyes can’t see it well enough without a scope.
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Gotcha. Just turned 68 on July.
It is difficult to find just the right sight on the HP-01. I never even considered scoping it just due to the fact that it has to undergo the stress of cocking it.
So far my China Cheapo red dot is sufficing, but I think perhaps it deserves something the same, but on a nicer, perhaps more durable level. My current one is always going out of sync.
Anyone out there with recommendations on a mid-grade (under $100) nice red/green dot sight?
I'm not talking Mil-Spec, but something better than the $17 one that I currently use.
And Oh, something that I always forgot to mention about the HP-01 is that the open sights have the ability to flip the front blade (fore/aft) for short and longer range shooting.
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Here is what I am running on mine, there is another that says now 2 MOA for a few more dollars, been holding zero great.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WTYGGJG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WTYGGJG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details)
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Here is what I am running on mine, there is another that says now 2 MOA for a few more dollars, been holding zero great.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WTYGGJG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07WTYGGJG?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2_dt_b_product_details)
That's cute.
I like the fact that it has knobs, and you don't have to use an allen key.
Is it dot only or does it have the gimmicky cross-hairs-in-the-circle thing, which I never use.
Also where is the link for the 2 MOA? I couldn't find it.
Thanks for the info.
:D
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It is a simple clean dot, and does not blur out like some can with old eyes, here is the link for the 2 moa.
https://www.amazon.com/MidTen-Micro-Sight-Reflex-Rifle/dp/B0794Z2HL9/ref=pd_di_sccai_1/136-9399196-5098717? (https://www.amazon.com/MidTen-Micro-Sight-Reflex-Rifle/dp/B0794Z2HL9/ref=pd_di_sccai_1/136-9399196-5098717?)
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Thanks. I went ahead and took a gamble on the one that you have and ordered one. I like the option of a green dot.
Thanks for the suggestion.
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So Gents, I ordered and received that spare top receiver cocking arm from TW Chambers. It has NO lateral grooves in it, so I am free to place one or two wherever I choose.
Asking here some thought on placement (fore/aft) as the groove on mine is more forward.
And, on that note, I also received the Red Dot sight that Back Roads suggested. It wouldn't mount directly as it was hitting the ramp of the front sight so I then ordered some Pinty 1/2" risers.
The sight seems to work nicely, but even at ten yards the 3 mil (lowest setting) sight dot completely covers up the 3/4" circle of my Birchwood Casey Shoot-n-see center bull.
I guess it will work for general plinking, but I need a bit more accuracy in sighting, as this gun is definitely up to the task.
So again, since I can rout my own new cross grooves on the cocking arm, what are your thoughts on fore/aft placement of such?
:D
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So Gents, I ordered and received that spare top receiver cocking arm from TW Chambers. It has NO lateral grooves in it, so I am free to place one or two wherever I choose.
Asking here some thought on placement (fore/aft) as the groove on mine is more forward.
And, on that note, I also received the Red Dot sight that Back Roads suggested. It wouldn't mount directly as it was hitting the ramp of the front sight so I then ordered some Pinty 1/2" risers.
The sight seems to work nicely, but even at ten yards the 3 mil (lowest setting) sight dot completely covers up the 3/4" circle of my Birchwood Casey Shoot-n-see center bull.
I guess it will work for general plinking, but I need a bit more accuracy in sighting, as this gun is definitely up to the task.
So again, since I can rout my own new cross grooves on the cocking arm, what are your thoughts on fore/aft placement of such?
:D
For me pumping ease is paramount, so I would say forward unless you have confidence the scope rings will serve as a sturdy enough handle for pumping over time.
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Agreed, and thanks for the input.
I like that scope setup that Gary has, but I've never been a fan of using the scope for cocking leverage, which is why I still use a Red Dot. Placing a scope forward requires a long eye relief, which is hard to find unless one goes to a scout scope.
Would like to find a reasonably priced Red Dot with a 1 MOA ability (does anyone even make one of those?), and then mount it mid-span.
For me, this will most likely always be a carbine with the butt stock.
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red dot advice I saw here (this thread? I should re-read) is to place the dot directly under your target as you would with iron sights, do a 6 o'clock hold, now the dot size is not a hinderance.
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red dot advice I saw here (this thread? I should re-read) is to place the dot directly under your target as you would with iron sights, do a 6 o'clock hold, now the dot size is not a hinderance.
That's an interesting concept. I never thought of that.
Thanks.
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red dot advice I saw here (this thread? I should re-read) is to place the dot directly under your target as you would with iron sights, do a 6 o'clock hold, now the dot size is not a hinderance.
That's an interesting concept. I never thought of that.
Thanks.
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And if you do that you could also consider doing it with a SeeAll. Theoretically more "accurate" POA because the delta (or crosshair) reticle ends/vanishes into a point which may (or may not) be finer than the red dot device, depending on exactly how one holds and aims the SeAll. The best thing is that no matter what, batteries are not required (although of course you can't shoot when it's pitch black dark). ;D
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Has anyone here actually tried out the SeeAll?
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/03/see-all-open-sight-part-5/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/03/see-all-open-sight-part-5/)
I looked into them a few years ago, but for some reason didn't give it much credence.
???
My apologies if we're going a bit Off-topic here.
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Has anyone here actually tried out the SeeAll?
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/03/see-all-open-sight-part-5/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2014/03/see-all-open-sight-part-5/)
I looked into them a few years ago, but for some reason didn't give it much credence.
???
My apologies if we're going a bit Off-topic here.
I have one and it was by using it that I was able to make my comments above.
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So how did it work out?
Are you happy with it?
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So how did it work out?
Are you happy with it?
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Yes for me it works out, the only thing is that I still feel the Ultra is capable of better accuracy than my eyes can see unmagnified, so for now I am going to shot it with the scope I now have mounted (cantilevered as you may have seen) once the heat subsides. But for close range I actually prefer the SeeAll both for its robustness plus the no batteries required aspect.
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Well, I got back to work on the .22 cal now that the grips finally came….
Some weight on the bottom to offset the scope and longer barrel:
(https://i.imgur.com/NkNd25Z.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/iogYkQy.jpg)
The balance and feel are pretty good... finished with this project, I think:
(https://i.imgur.com/LK1Kzn4.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GG1IjKq.jpg)
Need to run the chrony and shoot some groups…
shot this group: ;D
(https://i.imgur.com/na7wby8.jpg)
These pistols are real fun for short-range shooting -
Wyo
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You are too much, Gary sir ;D
What a sight!
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Thanks, Rick. I have gone over the top at times. ;D
Wyo
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VERY nice work and quite the collection you got going there, Gary. 8)
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Thanks, Charlie. I think I'm done collecting... I said that before but it didn't work :o
Some chrony info with the longer barrel..
(https://i.imgur.com/okMGW2I.jpg)
Pretty reasonable gains with the %increase gaining on each pump. Getting close to sea-level horsepower ;D
Need to see how small it will print next...
Wyo
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Well it finally showed up early this afternoon. USPS tracking said it was delivered to an individual and signed for by J King, I am J King and did not sign for anything, it was simply left on our front porch.
I applied a few drops of oil to the hole as shown, waited a few minutes then took it out for a few shots, I was using some newer pellets, cannot remember the brand right now but .177 made like the old Beeman silver jet, and they are too tight to use easliy so will try something else in a day or so when it cools off some outside. I see I need to build up some muscles, for pumping this thing, two pumps is stiff, 3 rather hard and did not try 4, so for the time being it will probably be a 2 pumper for me, good enough for close range targets. The light was just right from behind me and shooting at a flat black target, so I could see the pellet in it's brief flight, even with the 3 pumps. Trigger seems nice. I wish the owners manual were printed in a larger darker font, it's hard for these old eyes to read, even after cataract surgery a couple of months ago. I had progressive lenses made, mostly for the distance I work at, and some more powerful dollar store readers will probably make the manual ok, just have to round them up.
Hi Jeff,
I just acquired a Webley Alecto from a online auction. It needs a reseal, do you know of anyone in the United States who repairs them?
Cheers,
Ed Musick
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Good news, Maxarmory has the Zoraki HP 01 Ultra back in stock!
Bad news, it costs about 60 beans more than a couple years ago.
https://maxarmory.com/products/zoraki-hp01-ultra-22-black-air-pistol?syclid=cmli4ou5ji7s738e7q80&utm_campaign=emailmarketing_149806416116&utm_medium=email&utm_source=shopify_email
Sometimes, if you put the item in the shopping cart and just leave it for a few days, they'll email you a discount code to get you "off the fence". It may work, or not.
Enjoy all... especially the high-pump msp enthusiasts - you only need 3 pumps to get what your 1322 does on ten!! hope that enables (HTE) -
Wyo
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Cool, in June mine will be 3 years old, let's party !!! LOL
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And just like that, they emailed me a 5% discount code - 5off - just because I looked at the item :D
But I think I have enough (five),,, at least for now.
James, my first HP 01 is a 2014 model and still running strong - they're built like a tank.
But you need to oil the first-stage piston wick enough to keep the second-stage piston seal wet... if that made sense...
and use light weight oil so it can move thru the cylinders instead of getting gummy and tacky -
Wyo
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And just like that, they emailed me a 5% discount code - 5off - just because I looked at the item :D
But I think I have enough (five),,, at least for now.
James, my first HP 01 is a 2014 model and still running strong - they're built like a tank.
But you need to oil the first-stage piston wick enough to keep the second-stage piston seal wet... if that made sense...
and use light weight oil so it can move thru the cylinders instead of getting gummy and tacky -
Wyo
Yup gets that as needed, similar to the Air Venturi Aspen, many stages to lubricate, mine came with light weight silicone oil.