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Airguns by Make and Model => Benjamin Airguns => Topic started by: bantam5s on July 02, 2021, 06:31:49 PM
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I was under the impression that they could pretty much drop right on, sometimes needing some sort of shim or something.
I ordered one that arrived today and it is really not even close to being compatible.
The screw holes are positioned completely different , and the sear seems too far forward or something.
Can anyone tell me what version of marauder trigger group I need to be looking for ?
Is the factory discovery trigger group metal, or the same plastic one as the 2260 ?
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I put an MRod trigger on a 140 a few years back.
Not a drop in but not too difficult, had to make some custom parts.
The MRod trigger on a 13xx should be a similar build as the spacing is the same.
Replaced the blow off valve with a hammer valve, steel breech, etc
Used to be on the Yellow but it's gone now.
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I was under the impression that they could pretty much drop right on, sometimes needing some sort of shim or something.
I ordered one that arrived today and it is really not even close to being compatible.
The screw holes are positioned completely different , and the sear seems too far forward or something.
Can anyone tell me what version of marauder trigger group I need to be looking for ?
Is the factory discovery trigger group metal, or the same plastic one as the 2260 ?
disco trigger is the 2260 trigger.. and the mrod trigger has little in common
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This is one I have on a 2260 tube. It required a shim and elongation of the slot on the tube. Also the oem trigger has been replaced with a theoben. This is the first one made, I think the current production is different.
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I was under the impression that they could pretty much drop right on, sometimes needing some sort of shim or something.
I ordered one that arrived today and it is really not even close to being compatible.
The screw holes are positioned completely different , and the sear seems too far forward or something.
Can anyone tell me what version of marauder trigger group I need to be looking for ?
Is the factory discovery trigger group metal, or the same plastic one as the 2260 ?
disco trigger is the 2260 trigger.. and the mrod trigger has little in common
Yes I know.
Just wondering if the disco trigger group was the same plastic one or metal because I know they'll fit but don't want plastic.
I don't want to spend $150 plus on a custom disco trigger group but will of it's really my only option.
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David , yes same plastic.. Id try to do the mrod trigger before spending the 150 on whats basically a cool disco trigger housing.
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David , yes same plastic.. Id try to do the mrod trigger before spending the 150 on whats basically a cool disco trigger housing.
I'm not building something super fancy and custom looking here, so I'm not looking for a target trigger or anything I just want a complete trigger unit that isn't plastic.
The whole housing doesn't match up on the marauder unit I bought, and I don't think it can be made to work.
If I can figure out which version of marauder trigger unit / house ( the entire thing not just the internal parts) I can try to get ahold of one, but I need to get this figured out first.
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If yours uses the same trigger group as a Disco, the Mrod 2/Challenger trigger will WORK. l have one on my Fortitude. You may need to do a little tweaking as 7624552 suggested and the trigger slot in the stock will need extended, but it is a great improvement.
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I have an aluminum disco/2260 trigger housing from magnum air power it is the only metal one I could find. These pictures are from the web site and are out of stock right now.
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If yours uses the same trigger group as a Disco, the Mrod 2/Challenger trigger will WORK. l have one on my Fortitude. You may need to do a little tweaking as 7624552 suggested and the trigger slot in the stock will need extended, but it is a great improvement.
To be clear here when I say trigger group I'm talking about the complete unit housiand all
The housing on what I received today is physically too short to mount on a 13xx tube, it is does not extend to the screw hole in the tube.
It's the gen2 so I assume what I need is the gen1, but I want to make sure there are no other variants before I track one down.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4dq0Tb7Y/20210702-113439.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJG5vmPQ)
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If yours uses the same trigger group as a Disco, the Mrod 2/Challenger trigger will WORK. l have one on my Fortitude. You may need to do a little tweaking as 7624552 suggested and the trigger slot in the stock will need extended, but it is a great improvement.
What I have is a complete marauder trigger unit and housing...ect that I ordered.
It's the gen2 so I assume what I need is the gen1, but I want to make sure there are no other variants before I track one down.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4dq0Tb7Y/20210702-113439.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJG5vmPQ)
The Challenger group is the same as a Gen 1, I mis-spoke before. Gen 1/Challenger is it. 1763A105 is the part number. The spacer is not necessary. If the sear drags on the hammer after assembly, you can cut one out of a plastic bottle. It needs to be about .030" thick.
You may also want the guard and screw. here is the EVP.
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If yours uses the same trigger group as a Disco, the Mrod 2/Challenger trigger will WORK. l have one on my Fortitude. You may need to do a little tweaking as 7624552 suggested and the trigger slot in the stock will need extended, but it is a great improvement.
What I have is a complete marauder trigger unit and housing...ect that I ordered.
It's the gen2 so I assume what I need is the gen1, but I want to make sure there are no other variants before I track one down.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4dq0Tb7Y/20210702-113439.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJG5vmPQ)
The Challenger group is the same as a Gen 1, I mis-spoke before. Gen 1/Challenger is it. 1763A105 is the part number. The spacer is not necessary. If the sear drags on the hammer after assembly, you can cut one out of a plastic bottle. It needs to be about .030" thick.
You may also want the guard and screw. here is the EVP.
I can't find the complete unit in stock online, so I'm wondering If Crosman even still has it.
If I can get the housing, how many parts from the gen2 unit can I actually use ?
From what I understand you have to order every individual part when going through Crosman, I'm not looking to do that because I don't want a repeat of last time where I was having trouble with none of my part numbers being correct.
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$rcher $irguns sells Gen2 MROD/Challenger trigger assemblies.
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$rcher $irguns sells Gen2 MROD/Challenger trigger assemblies.
That's where I bought mine, I need the gen1 apparently.
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AFAIK, they are no longer available even from Crosman.
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If yours uses the same trigger group as a Disco, the Mrod 2/Challenger trigger will WORK. l have one on my Fortitude. You may need to do a little tweaking as 7624552 suggested and the trigger slot in the stock will need extended, but it is a great improvement.
What I have is a complete marauder trigger unit and housing...ect that I ordered.
It's the gen2 so I assume what I need is the gen1, but I want to make sure there are no other variants before I track one down.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4dq0Tb7Y/20210702-113439.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJG5vmPQ)
The Challenger group is the same as a Gen 1, I mis-spoke before. Gen 1/Challenger is it. 1763A105 is the part number. The spacer is not necessary. If the sear drags on the hammer after assembly, you can cut one out of a plastic bottle. It needs to be about .030" thick.
You may also want the guard and screw. here is the EVP.
I can't find the complete unit in stock online, so I'm wondering If Crosman even still has it.
If I can get the housing, how many parts from the gen2 unit can I actually use ?
From what I understand you have to order every individual part when going through Crosman, I'm not looking to do that because I don't want a repeat of last time where I was having trouble with none of my part numbers being correct.
The part number I gave you is the complete assembly for a Challenger.
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If yours uses the same trigger group as a Disco, the Mrod 2/Challenger trigger will WORK. l have one on my Fortitude. You may need to do a little tweaking as 7624552 suggested and the trigger slot in the stock will need extended, but it is a great improvement.
What I have is a complete marauder trigger unit and housing...ect that I ordered.
It's the gen2 so I assume what I need is the gen1, but I want to make sure there are no other variants before I track one down.
(https://i.postimg.cc/4dq0Tb7Y/20210702-113439.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJG5vmPQ)
The Challenger group is the same as a Gen 1, I mis-spoke before. Gen 1/Challenger is it. 1763A105 is the part number. The spacer is not necessary. If the sear drags on the hammer after assembly, you can cut one out of a plastic bottle. It needs to be about .030" thick.
You may also want the guard and screw. here is the EVP.
I can't find the complete unit in stock online, so I'm wondering If Crosman even still has it.
If I can get the housing, how many parts from the gen2 unit can I actually use ?
From what I understand you have to order every individual part when going through Crosman, I'm not looking to do that because I don't want a repeat of last time where I was having trouble with none of my part numbers being correct.
The part number I gave you is the complete assembly for a Challenger.
Okay, thanks.
Have you ordered one recently?
I made an order Monday armed with outdated part numbers from an old diagram, and I just wanna make sure I've got a correct part numbers for this particular order.
I don't want to become " this guy again " who always calls them up with bad part numbers.
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It has been a while since I ordered, but I copied the P/N straight from the Challenger EVP.
I just checked the current EVP and the number is correct.
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It has been a while since I ordered, but I copied the P/N straight from the Challenger EVP.
I just checked the current EVP and the number is correct.
Okay, thank you very much.
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The gen 2 Mrod trigger will fit the 13xx tube.
It's covered here, remember?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=175055.20 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=175055.20)
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The gen 2 Mrod trigger will fit the 13xx tube.
It's covered here, remember?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=175055.20 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=175055.20)
Someone was wrong, because I can assure you that they absolutely will not fit.
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It has been a while since I ordered, but I copied the P/N straight from the Challenger EVP.
I just checked the current EVP and the number is correct.
The latest Challengers also use Gen 2 MROD trigger assemblies.
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It has been a while since I ordered, but I copied the P/N straight from the Challenger EVP.
I just checked the current EVP and the number is correct.
The latest Challengers also use Gen 2 MROD trigger assemblies.
Dang that stinks.
Well at least I didn't already place an order with Crosman.
Hopefully my WTB turns up a gen1 someone is willing to part with.
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It has been a while since I ordered, but I copied the P/N straight from the Challenger EVP.
I just checked the current EVP and the number is correct.
The latest Challengers also use Gen 2 MROD trigger assemblies.
Dang that stinks.
Well at least I didn't already place an order with Crosman.
Hopefully my WTB turns up a gen1 someone is willing to part with.
Read this one:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=99101.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=99101.0)
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It has been a while since I ordered, but I copied the P/N straight from the Challenger EVP.
I just checked the current EVP and the number is correct.
The latest Challengers also use Gen 2 MROD trigger assemblies.
The EVP I checked is the 2010 to present, updated in 2018. It is the same as the Gen 1
https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/marauder-and-challenger-2009-triggers-differences-and-similarities/
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It has been a while since I ordered, but I copied the P/N straight from the Challenger EVP.
I just checked the current EVP and the number is correct.
The latest Challengers also use Gen 2 MROD trigger assemblies.
The EVP I checked is the 2010 to present, updated in 2018. It is the same as the Gen 1
https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/marauder-and-challenger-2009-triggers-differences-and-similarities/
Excellent link, sir!
If this is the case, then the Challenger trigger assembly should work, right?
Looking at $rcher $rgun's MROD and Challenger trigger assembly part numbers they seem to be identical.
Probably Stephen (AA owner) might be able to determine the sear difference between the 2.
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It has been a while since I ordered, but I copied the P/N straight from the Challenger EVP.
I just checked the current EVP and the number is correct.
The latest Challengers also use Gen 2 MROD trigger assemblies.
Dang that stinks.
Well at least I didn't already place an order with Crosman.
Hopefully my WTB turns up a gen1 someone is willing to part with.
Read this one:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=99101.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=99101.0)
Do you think it would work if you your this particular sear?
https://maverickcustomairguns.com/product/challenger-sear-lever/ (https://maverickcustomairguns.com/product/challenger-sear-lever/)
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The biggest problem is the whole housing that will not mount to a 13xx tube.
If it would then one could just swap or modify whatever necessary inside to make it work.
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The biggest problem is the whole housing that will not mount to a 13xx tube.
If it would then one could just swap or modify whatever necessary inside to make it work.
I see.
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What model of 13xx tube do you have ? Distance between the screw holes should not be different.
https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/marauder-and-challenger-2009-triggers-differences-and-similarities/
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What model of 13xx tube do you have ? Distance between the screw holes should not be different.
https://hardairmagazine.com/ham-columns/marauder-and-challenger-2009-triggers-differences-and-similarities/
Changes have occurred since a lot of information made it online.
It's not really the difference between screw holes, it's just that this trigger housing is shorter.
(https://i.postimg.cc/htqJ2Ntw/20210702-190024.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4mBNdLtb)
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A lot of conflicting info on this subject out there.
Copied pictures of both triggers, placed them together.
Top trigger is Gen 1, it's longer than the Gen 2 as noted.
To further complicate matters, Archer shows a picture of a Gen 1 trigger but ships the Gen 2 trigger.
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It's clear that they changed the length. I have never had a marauder, only used the trigger group to modify 2260's. Good luck with your build.
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I do not need this any longer. PM if you are interested.
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I do not need this any longer. PM if you are interested.
Absolutely, thanks.
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Could that be a Gen 1 trigger group with a Theoben/Rapid Air Weapons (RAW) trigger blade?
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Could that be a Gen 1 trigger group with a Theoben/Rapid Air Weapons (RAW) trigger blade?
That's what it is.
Have the same setup on my 140.
Contoured the trigger blade some on mine.
Remove the lawyer spring and a few other tweeks to make it even better.