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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: Model25 on May 27, 2021, 01:05:55 AM
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My brother has an R9 .177. A truly beautiful rifle but the zing, buzz and rattle are the worst that I have experienced, just miserable to shoot. My Dianas just don’t do this. I have not pulled it apart but I assume that the spring must set very closely to the piston. I am looking for a cheap and easy no money fix. I thought of the pop bottle shimmed to fill the spring-piston gap trick. What say you, any chance that this single modification alone will provide meaningful relief? Yes, I know of tight guides etc. but the time to work on it will be very short and after he shot my Dianas, he is so disillusioned with Welhrauch that instead of throwing money at it, he is considering abandoning it all together.
Thanks, Mike
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Frowned on by many, but loved by some, would be the Tune In A Tube slot tune.
Can't hurt if your brother is so disillusioned and upset with his purchase.
FWIW,my R9 banged and twanged for a good 1000 or more pellets before it quietened down and, to be honest, I was somewhat underwhelmed by all the Sturm und Drang while shooting.
The thing was, and continues to be, so accurate though!
Patience and perseverance might be his answer.
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I would do the piston liner and also put a piece of heat-shrink tubing on the guide to make it fit tighter to the spring. If heat shrink makes the guide too tight, just cut most of it off and leave about 1/2 inch at the base of the guide. If you have spring tar, use a light/thin layer on the spring and the guide (like paper thin, almost painted on. If you don't have spring tar use whatever grease you've got (the stickier the better) on the spring and guide (again, paper thin).
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From my experience heat shrink tubbing doesn't last very long on a spring guide, I use the same pop bottle material, it has to be tucked between the guide and flange washer so it will stay in place, only enough to for the last 2 coils to go over, ;D
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Is this a new gun?
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Polish those spring ends so the spring spins freely then apply a stringy coat of heavy tar to the spring. A dab of moly on the ends.
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My HW95 shot sound & recoil after an ARH kit& Vortek seal.
https://youtu.be/bywPFmB2_ZM (https://youtu.be/bywPFmB2_ZM)
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I got rid of mine with a Vortek kit, but you want a low or no cost fix, so I'll second the spring tar or moly grease. These guns generally need it as the grease they put in the compression tube isn't for lubrication as much as rust prevention. I've never tried the pop bottle trick. Some say the twang goes away after 1000 shots or so, others it doesn't.
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By the time I got to 1,000 shots, I couldn’t stand shooting HW95.
I installed a Vortek kit. Money well spent.
I know you are looking for a cheap fix, but I strongly recommend a kit from any of the suppliers. You won’t regret it.
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Hmmm......
That flying dragon sells R9 tuned by him
Kinda sounds it could be worth it overall , and make for a good deal for new out of the box. With that could save the added cost and work to.
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A new piston liner made from plastic works very well for getting rid of most of the twang. You may also want to try different weight pellets as I’ve seen some real good improvement in shot cycle from matching the power to projectile weight. In .177 caliber , I tend to take the FPE number and dividing by two, and that usually gets me close to the best pellet weight on a mid powered springer. On the low powered guns ex: 5 to 10 FPE I just use the best fitting lightweight pellets.
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Hmmm......
That flying dragon sells R9 tuned by him
Kinda sounds it could be worth it overall , and make for a good deal for new out of the box. With that could save the added cost and work to.
Deeco you have been on the fence for a while now. Just buy one!
I considered the water bottle liner, but put it together without it. With a snug top hat and guide, the buzz goes away. The shot cycle is so smooth. I also took mine back apart and clipped three coils from the spring. That made made it easier to shoot for me, less jump, as a new springer shooter. I only lost 25fps or so.
Sure, you can stuff a bunch of tar through the cocking slot, I did that to the cheap gun that my HW replaced. But doing that to a HW/Beeman product is silly as the gun can be made soooo much better.
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I have an R9 from Flyingdragon. Still don't love it. Barely a month old and already considering finding a trade for something made for an adult-sized person. :)
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I have an R9 from Flyingdragon. Still don't love it. Barely a month old and already considering finding a trade for something made for an adult-sized person. :)
That gun looks bigger than you! Most airguns are longer than PB's are. That is why cases are so hard to find.
What LOP do you like?
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Model25 is talking about buzz, not length of pull.
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Hmmm......
That flying dragon sells R9 tuned by him
Kinda sounds it could be worth it overall , and make for a good deal for new out of the box. With that could save the added cost and work to.
Deeco you have been on the fence for a while now. Just buy one!
I considered the water bottle liner, but put it together without it. With a snug top hat and guide, the buzz goes away. The shot cycle is so smooth. I also took mine back apart and clipped three coils from the spring. That made made it easier to shoot for me, less jump, as a new springer shooter. I only lost 25fps or so.
Sure, you can stuff a bunch of tar through the cocking slot, I did that to the cheap gun that my HW replaced. But doing that to a HW/Beeman product is silly as the gun can be made soooo much better.
Lol... The barbed wire caught my pants crotch... Heck what I try to get is under the out of stock game as it been or they jacked the price up. Money is burning a hole in my pocket.
Ya he had the .22 in to get but when I got back to pull up the blog it's been removed... I can't get in to make any buy. It's like I'm being prevented by the higher power...lol. All ways something hangs me up.
(+ I'm cheap)
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Hmmm......
That flying dragon sells R9 tuned by him
Kinda sounds it could be worth it overall , and make for a good deal for new out of the box. With that could save the added cost and work to.
Deeco you have been on the fence for a while now. Just buy one!
I considered the water bottle liner, but put it together without it. With a snug top hat and guide, the buzz goes away. The shot cycle is so smooth. I also took mine back apart and clipped three coils from the spring. That made made it easier to shoot for me, less jump, as a new springer shooter. I only lost 25fps or so.
Sure, you can stuff a bunch of tar through the cocking slot, I did that to the cheap gun that my HW replaced. But doing that to a HW/Beeman product is silly as the gun can be made soooo much better.
Lol... The barbed wire caught my pants crotch... Heck what I try to get is under the out of stock game as it been or they jacked the price up. Money is burning a hole in my pocket.
Ya he had the .22 in to get but when I got back to pull up the blog it's been removed... I can't get in to make any buy. It's like I'm being prevented by the higher power...lol. All ways something hangs me up.
But thanks for pointing out my luck on that.😀
(+ I'm cheap)
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Well I am not cheap. I just have a collar and leash with responsible adult on the controlling end.
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Well I am not cheap. I just have a collar and leash with responsible adult on the controlling end.
Ya, aspect#2 😉.... That's familiar I thought it was only me.
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I have an R9 from Flyingdragon. Still don't love it. Barely a month old and already considering finding a trade for something made for an adult-sized person. :)
I could understand this coming from someone talking about the R7/HW30, but the R9?? How big exactly does a gun have to be/weight in your world to be considered an "adult" sized air rifle?? 9 pounds? 10, 11?? 46 inches long?? 47, 48 maybe?? because, although it appears you don't believe it, the rifle was and is made for a full sized adult.
I'm really not trying to be snarky here, just trying to understand why you feel the R9 is, at least the way you describe things, totally undersized for an adult. Also ask because I've seen any number of people on 2 forums now try to help you with ideas to "stretch" that rifle and appears you've ignored all because you already made up your mind the first week you just want it gone.
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My brother has an R9 .177. A truly beautiful rifle but the zing, buzz and rattle are the worst that I have experienced, just miserable to shoot. My Dianas just don’t do this. I have not pulled it apart but I assume that the spring must set very closely to the piston. I am looking for a cheap and easy no money fix. I thought of the pop bottle shimmed to fill the spring-piston gap trick. What say you, any chance that this single modification alone will provide meaningful relief? Yes, I know of tight guides etc. but the time to work on it will be very short and after he shot my Dianas, he is so disillusioned with Welhrauch that instead of throwing money at it, he is considering abandoning it all together.
Thanks, Mike
Selling the gun will cost you more than tuning it with a ARH or Vortek kit :P ... and would be the least savvy option to try ::). Once tuned, it will leave those stinkin Diana's in the dust :D.
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Thank you for the replies. My brother is the original owner and the rifle is at least 15 maybe 20 years old. I love air rifles and I inquired about it in hopes of reigniting his interest in it. Some time ago he fell hard for a .25 Marauder and I think that’s part of it. I will call him and see if I can talk him into shiming it up.
Thanks again, Mike
PS, Kirk, as proven many times over the years, my D52 is hands down much more accurate than his R9!!!!
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PS, Kirk, as proven many times over the years, my D52 is hands down much more accurate than his R9!!!!
;) :D 8) ::)
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That gun looks bigger than you! Most airguns are longer than PB's are. That is why cases are so hard to find.
What LOP do you like?
Oh, the R9 is about 2" too short. But the LOP isn't the only issue. Benchrest, it's almost fine. The stock is about 6" shorter than what fits me best.
I'm 6'2", 210lbs, I'd rather not wrap around the gun. :)
Here's the r9 compared to a better fitting (to me) Parrus.
Anyway, no sense crying about it. I'll give it a few more tries before sending it to the local classifieds.
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I could understand this coming from someone talking about the R7/HW30, but the R9?? How big exactly does a gun have to be/weight in your world to be considered an "adult" sized air rifle?? 9 pounds? 10, 11?? 46 inches long?? 47, 48 maybe?? because, although it appears you don't believe it, the rifle was and is made for a full sized adult.
I'm really not trying to be snarky here, just trying to understand why you feel the R9 is, at least the way you describe things, totally undersized for an adult. Also ask because I've seen any number of people on 2 forums now try to help you with ideas to "stretch" that rifle and appears you've ignored all because you already made up your mind the first week you just want it gone.
"snarky" or otherwise, Oh, please quit being so defensive. So what I don't like it? Don't take it as a personal affront. I'm sure HW/Beeman doesn't know you well enough to care, why should you?
I've used some of the tips, mind your ignorant self, including extending the stock.
46" sounds about right.
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Thank you for the replies. My brother is the original owner and the rifle is at least 15 maybe 20 years old. I love air rifles and I inquired about it in hopes of reigniting his interest in it. Some time ago he fell hard for a .25 Marauder and I think that’s part of it. I will call him and see if I can talk him into shiming it up.
Thanks again, Mike
PS, Kirk, as proven many times over the years, my D52 is hands down much more accurate than his R9!!!!
There's a good possibility it has a broken spring if it's been shot enough times. My 2015 Hw95 broke the spring at both ends before I realized something was wrong. The gun was twangy before but gets worse and noisy when the springs break. I shot the heck out of it and by the end of the first summer the spring was broken in three pieces. I didn't realize how bad the twang was because it was my first quality springer. Prior to that I only owned big box store Magnums that shot much harsher and with more twang. I replaced the spring and seal in late 2015 or early '16 with a Vortek PG2 HO kit and it completely transformed the gun. That kit is still in there making the same 15 fpe in 177. Beautifully too, I might add.. If you here a creak or crunch when you cock the gun the spring is probably broken. They usually break at the trigger end and it can be seen if you just remove the stock. The broken end threads up into the spring and it will look doubled compared to the rest of the spring. Same thing happened on my 2016 Hw30 except I caught it when only the trigger end of the spring broke. I fixed that one the same way.
Also not sure if you have a chronograph but if you some numbers might help. If they're low because the seal is bad the shot cycle will be worse because the pressure bypass induces piston slam.
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I could understand this coming from someone talking about the R7/HW30, but the R9?? How big exactly does a gun have to be/weight in your world to be considered an "adult" sized air rifle?? 9 pounds? 10, 11?? 46 inches long?? 47, 48 maybe?? because, although it appears you don't believe it, the rifle was and is made for a full sized adult.
I'm really not trying to be snarky here, just trying to understand why you feel the R9 is, at least the way you describe things, totally undersized for an adult. Also ask because I've seen any number of people on 2 forums now try to help you with ideas to "stretch" that rifle and appears you've ignored all because you already made up your mind the first week you just want it gone.
"snarky" or otherwise, Oh, please quit being so defensive. So what I don't like it? Don't take it as a personal affront. I'm sure HW/Beeman doesn't know you well enough to care, why should you?
I've used some of the tips, mind your ignorant self, including extending the stock.
46" sounds about right.
Ignorance would have been not asking the question at all when a fellow airgunner says things about a gun bother them. Kind of why there are forums like this one...lol. One of the downsides to forums is it's just words on a screen and makes it harder to convey a question right and people tend to read things differently. It would be totally different if we'd been sitting side by side at shooting tables and you'd said the rifle just feels off. I would have asked something like "Ok, so what feels "off" about it", you would have gotten the Parrus out to show me and we probably would have sat there for an hour tossing ideas back and forth about ways to either make it fit and feel better to you or should you just move on from it and try a different rifle.
And for that hour worth of banter? I highly doubt you would have told me I was ignorant for trying to help :)
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I assume the R9 and HW95 have the same length of pull. My 95 feels short too, but that's been a problem with most guns I've owned. I have stock spacers, just haven't got them in yet. I think another half inch on LOP should do the trick. Besides that the proportions are fine. I'm only 5'10 and thin, but I have really long arms.
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I assume the R9 and HW95 have the same length of pull. My 95 feels short too, but that's been a problem with most guns I've owned. I have stock spacers, just haven't got them in yet. I think another half inch on LOP should do the trick. Besides that the proportions are fine. I'm only 5'10 and thin, but I have really long arms.
Hw95 has a 14.25" maybe more, it's at least that. It's been a while since I measured mine. Doesn't mean it doesn't feel small. But most centerfire rifles are under 14". So it's well over the industry standard for an adult full sized rifle. I guess it depends on each person
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Mine is too long for me. But I am a little one. HW30 fits me really well.
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My brother has an R9 .177. A truly beautiful rifle but the zing, buzz and rattle are the worst that I have experienced, just miserable to shoot. My Dianas just don’t do this. I have not pulled it apart but I assume that the spring must set very closely to the piston. I am looking for a cheap and easy no money fix. I thought of the pop bottle shimmed to fill the spring-piston gap trick. What say you, any chance that this single modification alone will provide meaningful relief? Yes, I know of tight guides etc. but the time to work on it will be very short and after he shot my Dianas, he is so disillusioned with Welhrauch that instead of throwing money at it, he is considering abandoning it all together.
Thanks, Mike
Selling the gun will cost you more than tuning it with a ARH or Vortek kit :P ... and would be the least savvy option to try ::). Once tuned, it will leave those stinkin Diana's in the dust :D.
I have a love-hate relationship with all of the Beeman/Weihrauch air rifles. I hate that I had to work on them right out of the box.
Once I installed the Vortek kits, lightened the trigger pull and replaced the stock screws with Allen-head versions they all shoot like a dream.
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FWIW
My 95 has a 14.25" LOP from center front trigger blade to center butt. Rifle is 2018 stock.
CVA Accura V2 50 cal BP = 14.25"
Winchester M70, 30-06 = 14"
Remington 1100, 12 gauge = 14"
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Hw95 has a 14.25" maybe more, it's at least that. It's been a while since I measured mine. Doesn't mean it doesn't feel small. But most centerfire rifles are under 14". So it's well over the industry standard for an adult full sized rifle. I guess it depends on each person
My finger goes about 2" past the trigger guard.
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I have a love-hate relationship with all of the Beeman/Weihrauch air rifles. I hate that I had to work on them right out of the box.
Someone said something insightful... How good of a gun (like every HW) is it if it needs tuning? Can one perhaps spend a bit more or choose wiser and get one that doesn't need tuned?
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And for that hour worth of banter? I highly doubt you would have told me I was ignorant for trying to help :)
You weren't trying to help. You were pointing out my oddness or whatever gave you the need to "not be snarky" [sic].
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Gentlemen.... please take any and all further disputes among the two of you to PM as per forum rules.
Thanks
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I have a love-hate relationship with all of the Beeman/Weihrauch air rifles. I hate that I had to work on them right out of the box.
Someone said something insightful... How good of a gun (like every HW) is it if it needs tuning? Can one perhaps spend a bit more or choose wiser and get one that doesn't need tuned?
I have had similar thoughts, and have said more than once that it's the reason I buy old.
I have a personal hang-up about having to send off a brand new gun to have it "fixed" to the specs and qualities that it should have come off the assembly line with. I am apparently in the minority on that thought, and it's not that I think HW is not GOOD....it just is not initially built with the best performance it can have.
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Careful lizzie, you'll be fried by the fan-boys. :)
I agree with the thought. I won't be buying an HW again. And still my Diana 34 is a smoother shooter than my "tuned" R9.
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Careful lizzie, you'll be fried by the fan-boys. :)
I agree with the thought. I won't be buying an HW again. And still my Diana 34 is a smoother shooter than my "tuned" R9.
I already get a few sideways glances. 😆
That being said, I DO love my older R series and HWs. I just don't buy new.
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I have a love-hate relationship with all of the Beeman/Weihrauch air rifles. I hate that I had to work on them right out of the box.
Someone said something insightful... How good of a gun (like every HW) is it if it needs tuning? Can one perhaps spend a bit more or choose wiser and get one that doesn't need tuned?
I have had similar thoughts, and have said more than once that it's the reason I buy old.
I have a personal hang-up about having to send off a brand new gun to have it "fixed" to the specs and qualities that it should have come off the assembly line with. I am apparently in the minority on that thought, and it's not that I think HW is not GOOD....it just is not initially built with the best performance it can have.
I hear ya loud and clear.
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I have a love-hate relationship with all of the Beeman/Weihrauch air rifles. I hate that I had to work on them right out of the box.
Someone said something insightful... How good of a gun (like every HW) is it if it needs tuning? Can one perhaps spend a bit more or choose wiser and get one that doesn't need tuned?
Yea, spend $700-800 and get an Air Arms. ;D ;)
That is in the English Gate....
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Yea, spend $700-800 and get an Air Arms. ;D ;)
Which one? Break-barrel, no U/Ls for me plz. .177. Something long and stout and quiet and lasts forever.
I had a T200 for a while. Tiny little thing. Let that go about six months after buying it.
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I don’t think you are going to find a better out of the box break barrel spring gun then a Weihrauch or Diana IMO.
I totally get you not being satisfied with R9/HW95 but if you find it too small for you I think you are going to have to do some work to whatever you buy for it to fit you. I don’t find the R9/HW95 huge by any standard but definitely adult sized in terms of what I think of as the average sized adult. (Not meant to be a disrespectful comment just trying to noodle on what you might need as far as fit).
Honestly you might want to try a larger heavier under barrel cocking gun as although their length of pull will be similar they will feel bigger. They also tend to dampen recoil better.
I just picked up a Diana 54, and while I understand it’s not a break barrel, it’s a fairly large good shooting gun that might be worth a look.
Yeah the T200 is a tiny rifle more akin to the HW30/R7 size. (Point of size ref. For you if you are shopping around).
Honestly your D34 is probably your absolute best analogue to the R9.
Good luck in your search.
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I have the HW95 pretty much an R9. It shoots very accurate, makes all
Sorts of racket and twang shooting but I knew getting an old
School spring gun that that was to be expected so as long as it’s accurate I will keep the lifetime warranty with AOA and have fun.
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Yea, spend $700-800 and get an Air Arms. ;D ;)
Which one? Break-barrel, no U/Ls for me plz. .177. Something long and stout and quiet and lasts forever.
I had a T200 for a while. Tiny little thing. Let that go about six months after buying it.
Yeah I bought a Pro-Sport for $800 and had to order a new piston (warranty) from PA because it had defective delrin button inserts. Also, the design of the cocking arm is not great, plus they weigh 9lbs. Sold it in less than 6 months.
Everybody's got their definition of a "wise decision" - to me this is all a matter of opinion only ... and I chose Weihrauch - there being no perfect answer. Everybody can biitch - that's their privilege.
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Choosing ONLY one brand seems rather limiting. Like folks who ONLY drive a Ford or ONLY use a Glock or only watch Fox News [sic].
Me, I'd rather not be committed to a logo for the sake of brotherhood. If it's not worthy, I don't care how much a fan-boi gonna cry, gonna say so. )
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Keep bloviating ... Preacher ... we enjoy your angst ;).
But no, tried a few brands and ended up here.
Fox News - On my God - They're Terrifying ......... ;D
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Keep bloviating ... Preacher ... we enjoy your angst ;).
Too funny how folks immediately move to a personal affront.
Like, for some reason, ya don't like ME because I don't like YOUR toys? What have I done to hurt you so much you feel the need to be a snarky arse?
Well, good thing your opinion of me is none of my business. :)
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Frank, most of the folks in this gate have been around along time, Guys like myself have owned and spent probably more then 50k + in playing around with these air guns in the past 20yrs, I have personally owned just about every manufacture and type of air gun out there! most of the peoples opinions here are more like hard earned FACTS! I stopped buying anything but HW rifles other then a Diana here and there or a cheaper gun like a Cometa just to play around with!!! tune and see how far I can push its limits! Theirs nothing out there that compares to a HW for what you get for your money!!! Quality, fit and finish and materials {ETC} I have not had a NEWER FWB Sport, but just by some the the designs of the rifle I will not waist my money, U stay in this hobby long enough and waist enough money you'll get the picture ;)
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I still don’t understand how the R9 is too small with a 14.25” lop. The photo Frank put up only showed the fore-stock of the Paris compared to the R9.
But enough derailment of Mikes thread. Mike did you get the buzz out yet?
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Cheap, Expensive and Size are relative terms as is Snarky.
My, John in PA, tuned R9 is a comfortable object of accurate beauty.
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My 95 buzz! ARH kit with Vortek seal & GPL-205 lube.
https://youtu.be/bywPFmB2_ZM (https://youtu.be/bywPFmB2_ZM)
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Yea, spend $700-800 and get an Air Arms. ;D ;)
Which one? Break-barrel, no U/Ls for me plz. .177. Something long and stout and quiet and lasts forever.
I had a T200 for a while. Tiny little thing. Let that go about six months after buying it.
You are the only person that I am aware of the thinks the HW 95 is bit sized. A buddy has a Benjamin NP2 that I find large and unwieldy. It might be just the ticket for you...
Most powder burner rifles are smaller than most airgun rifles, so what fits you?
Air Arms used to make a break barrel called the Pro Ellite, it almost bankrupted the company. :(
Otherwise consider a HW 80. ;)
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Keep bloviating ... Preacher ... we enjoy your angst ;).
But no, tried a few brands and ended up here.
Fox News - On my God - They're Terrifying ......... ;D
Some people compain for the sake of complaining....... :-[
Perhaps he is French? ;D ;)
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Hey Guys,
I made my statement when I was feeling a bit peeved, but in retrospect ... it wasn't really fair.
Let's call off the dogs on Frank - if he feels the gun is too short for him, then it is - period ;).
I feel my HW30S to too short, but that's just how I feel - other's can and have disagreed.
As far as the buzz goes on Weihrauch springers - it's terrible, but I have no qualms tuning them because I like to try to improve everything - this is a flaw sometimes. That said, I like to work on guns as much as shooting them - crazy right :P.
Kirk
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You are the only person that I am aware of the thinks the HW 95 is bit sized. A buddy has a Benjamin NP2 that I find large and unwieldy. It might be just the ticket for you...
Most powder burner rifles are smaller than most airgun rifles, so what fits you?
Air Arms used to make a break barrel called the Pro Ellite, it almost bankrupted the company. :(
Otherwise consider a HW 80. ;)
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Other than a Red Ryder and a co2 rifle, the R9 is the smallest rifle I have. Of half a dozen or so (gone thru at least a couple dozen rifles the past couple-three years). Yeah, the HW80 might have been a better choice.
I shoot benchrest 95% and offhand 10M the rest of the time on the range. I'm set for 10M rifles, so the extra weight and bulk of a gun for my benchrest play doesn't matter. I walk 20 feet out my back door and sit down, not as if I need to haul it around the woods. So yeah, I like 'em big. But I like 'em silky smooth and pretty too.
Side note: My apologies to those I've offended personally. If you're insulted over my likes/dislikes, that's your issue, but if I've done something hurtful, I'm sorry.
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If you want a bench rifle look at the 97k or Diana 460mag ;D
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Frank,
I’ve read through this thread and I will suggest one even against my better jusdgement. The HW90 , they fetch a few dollars more than the 80 and the trigger is not the same as the Rekord but almost as good. I had one but found it too large ( bigger than the HW80) it will definitely feel like an adult air gun .
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If an HW80 or HW90 don’t work out, there’s this:
I’m sure you can get one in black-
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That's FUNNY! What the heck is that??? :o
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Anyone here shoot pool or fish? If so, do y'all use the same stick or pole.... nope. We all use what we are comfortable with. That don't mean one is better than the other. It just means one is better than the other for us individually. I used to shoot pool and made a good amount of money doing it back in the day. I used, and still have, a stick I won in a game against $30... for most it was a POS, ugliest beat up piece of firewood y'all ever seen. I named it "Booger".
When someone made fun of it I didn't beat them over the head with it.. I beat them on the table with it.
But, I didn't run into the bar claiming to be the best and owning the g.o.a.t. pool cue either.
Our forum is a community of folks that share a passion in airguns. We are from different parts of the country and the world. We are different shapes and sizes and many of us shoot for different reasons. But airguns are the glue.
I never owned an R9 and most likely never will... I prefer sub $300 but then again, I never owned a brand new car and never will either but, I get to work and the grocery store just as good as the guy next door. And I hit my targets just like everyone else in here.
So, how 'bout we give each other a little space and enjoy the knowledge and experience that makes the GTA what it is.
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That's FUNNY! What the heck is that??? :o
It appears to be an air rifle... er, canon... ;D
And, well said, Bill. ;)
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That's FUNNY! What the heck is that??? :o
It's a tater cannon.
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That's FUNNY! What the heck is that??? :o
It's a tater cannon.
I’m thinking 75mm... I suppose if you can’t find 75mm pellets, you could use PerTaters. ;D
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If you want a bench rifle look at the 97k or Diana 460mag ;D
Frank I will second what Mark just suggested the Diana D460 is a good looking well made pellet rifle and at 5'10" and 215 lbs I do not feel it is the least bit tiny. Here are the specs copied right from Pyrmyd web site. With a nice scope and rings it will weigh in at a hefty 9.5 lbs or more. If you lived closer I would offer you some trigger time with an accurate and powerful springer. Also with the Vortek spring kit that I added after the factory spring failed just a solid thump and no twang.
Max Velocity 1000 fps
Overall Length 45.0"
Buttplate Ventilated rubber
Function Single-shot
Weight 8.3 lbs
Trigger Pull 3.3 lbs
Scopeable 11mm dovetail
Safety Automatic
Suggested for Small game hunting/plinking
Caliber .22" (5.5mm)
Loudness 3-Medium
Barrel Length 18.44"
Shot Capacity 1
Cocking Effort 36 lbs
Barrel Rifled
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Tater Gun ya that's it! LOL!!! Looks like a AA gun to me LOL!!! ::)
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Tater Gun ya that's it! LOL!!! Looks like a AA gun to me LOL!!! ::)
;) Paint it flat black and I'm sure that there will be lights and sirens parked in front of your house. Then you will have to explain to SWMBO what you did this time. ;D ;D
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Tater Gun ya that's it! LOL!!! Looks like a AA gun to me LOL!!! ::)
;) Paint it flat black and I'm sure that there will be lights and sirens parked in front of your house. Then you will have to explain to SWMBO what you did this time. ;D ;D
Haha! I live in the woods... LE don’t know or care... the wife tho, haha!
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Hey Frank,
You can buy 1/4" black plastic sheeting on amazon for $20 and make butt pad spacers to shim it out to desired length. Or make an extension of some sort.
From your previous posts, you're not looking for more power, just a longer stock. HW80, HW90 and Diana 460 all spell magnum airgun.
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Hey Frank,
You can buy 1/4" black plastic sheeting on amazon for $20 and make butt pad spacers to shim it out to desired length.
I LOVE it, thanks for sharing those. Saved.
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I did something similar to a QB78. But heck, that's a $100 gun. 'fraid to start on any project when the price is ~5x as much. :P
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;) That's exactly how I felt when the mainspring became a 3 piece spring on my D460. What motivated me was a 3 day wait for the spring kit versus a two to 3 week round trip to a professional tuner. PS it worked out fine with me doing all the work. On the other hand, I had already taken my Gamo Whisper Fusion apart for a basic clean, deburr and lube when I installed a CDT 4G trigger. I wasn't nearly as nervous when it came time to tear down the D460 for similar attention.
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i've been known to take them apart and tinker. even with a pricier plinker. but takes some time before I'm willing to void a warranty.
plus, i just don't have the tools for some guns. if i'm gonna do more digging into them, might have to consider adding a few things to the workshop.
like that nice on-rail spring-compressor pyramydair has?
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I just used a Pipe clamp that I can adjust to whatever rifle I'm working on at the time but I do keep eyeballing that spring compressor that pyramid has
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Frank,
You can always come up to Bothell - only a 5 hour drive :D.
What I like about Weihrauch guns is everything, but the spring/spring guide is very precision stuff. Only fits together one way. If something's not fitting just right - the mechanic has the problem, not the gun.
I would highly recommend a trigger tune too, having the trigger fire crisply is a big part of accuracy.
A trigger tune smooths out everything - likely is the equivalent of about 5,000 shots.
Weihrauch guns don't really need a tune for the average shooter, but if you want a sublime shooter a complete tune transforms the gun.
I've tuned about 30 Springers and about 20 PCP's, the less expensive ones require way more work and don't give back what a Weihrauch, Diana, AA, BSA or RAW can. I always wanted to have a LGV, but never could pull the trigger because of the weight.
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re: LGV weight:
I was really apprehensive about the weight of the LGV before pulling the trigger on a deal. At the time, it was by far the heaviest airgun I had used. Sure enough, when first picking the LGV from the box, it felt like made of bricks. BUT: After spending a little time with the gun, I became accustomed to the heft. The LGV has a very short barrel, with most of the mass in the receiver, which makes it feel lighter than it actually is, pointed at the target.
Now I have two other springers that weigh as much as or more than the LGV. 4.2 kg has become the new normal for me, and it did not take years - only a dozen shooting sessions or so.
Out of all my airguns, the LGV is most likely to stay with me till the bitter end. It is simply excellent, not just heavy.
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re: LGV weight:
I was really apprehensive about the weight of the LGV before pulling the trigger on a deal. At the time, it was by far the heaviest airgun I had used. Sure enough, when first picking the LGV from the box, it felt like made of bricks. BUT: After spending a little time with the gun, I came accustomed to the heft. The LGV has a very short barrel, with most of the mass in the receiver, which makes it feel lighter than it actually is, pointed at the target.
Now I have two other springers that weigh as much as or more than the LGV. 4.2 kg has become the new normal for me, and it did not take years - only a dozen shooting sessions or so.
Out of all my airguns, the LGV is most likely to stay with me till the bitter end. It is simply excellent, not just heavy.
Yeah, my two dream additions are:
1) HW55 - Walnut stock - perfect condition
2) LGV Master-Pro - New
The thing is:
Most gun that I've been tempted to buy and bought that had know issues for me ... and I've sold them all.
I had thought the LGV would be a $100/150 loss, just to try it :D.
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I would highly recommend a trigger tune too, having the trigger fire crisply is a big part of accuracy....
Weihrauch guns don't really need a tune for the average shooter, but if you want a sublime shooter a complete tune transforms the gun.
I assume Mike M. took care of any "needs". It shoots beautifully. No issues there. ;D
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Frank, are you still bothered by the size? It seems to me from ur pix you shoot it well? 8)
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Frank, are you still bothered by the size? It seems to me from ur pix you shoot it well? 8)
well, thanks, i appreciate that feedback. no, it's a fine shooter, just not a good fit for me, feels tiny and i have to scrunch up my shoulder just to touch the buttpad, even w/face in the scope. :)
after much consternation, i'm just gonna make it work. I like the earlier idea of extending the stock. no buttpad replacements i've tried does quite enough. and really don't want 4 or 6" of padding.
i wouldn't even know what to aim for next, even if possible to "upgrade" from an R9, but a "push" might come up some day to trade.
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Patience and perseverance might be his answer.
Should've just done that in the first place, taken the advice given to the OP.
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Yep I say this all the time, learn to shoot what you have!!! you seem to be a knowledgeable shooter in other aspects of the shooting world, Like me! I base this off of the pix of pix of yourself! I may be wrong? but you need to listen to us old school AG shooters! were not just about shooting AG, I'm a long range PB shooter as well, I have PB rifles that I had custom built from scratch that cost me over 5K to build, so be patient and learn to shoot what you have ;)
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but but but...
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BUT What? ;D
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PCP's are no challenge to shoot! I have had ALLENZ build me back in the day Theoben's that cost 3k that shot nothing but a a single hole in the paper, theirs no fun in that it wares off quickly! and I sold them! :o
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Sounds like you like the R9 trigger and shot cycle and it's a matter of stock fit. If you don't want to mess with your original stock you could place a WTB ad for a used/take-off stock and play around with that instead.
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but but but...
The gun girl looks like she would be an interesting investment ;).
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but but but...
The gun girl looks like she would be an interesting investment ;).
My first thought was expensive ;)
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but but but...
The gun girl looks like she would be an interesting investment ;).
My first thought was expensive ;)
Bahhh, dime a dozen.
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but but but...
The gun girl looks like she would be an interesting investment ;).
My first thought was expensive ;)
Bahhh, dime a dozen.
Haha! ;D
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;) ;D Ya but how many dimes ::) ::) ::)
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;) ;D Ya but how many dimes ::) ::) ::)
Dozens and dozens.
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About 6 months ago Fwbsport (John Carr) sent me his HW50 .22 cal. He told me it had too much vibration for him.
Well he was right about one thing. That HW50 would vibrate so violently that my jaw would hurt after 10 or so shots. Buzz, twang, I have had rifles that had that but never one that vibrated do bad.
I took the stock off and noticed first thing that the spring was dry, desert dry. I wanted to see if some thick sticky grease would help so I carefully, using a long wooden q-tip, greased the spring.
Amazingly within 10 or 15 shots the vibration was reduced to a buzz then another 20 are so to a slight twang. After a couple hundred pellets I didn't notice anything.
That's all I did. Never opened it up just applied the grease one time. Problem solved.
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I'm out on the patio with my peep-sighted, John in PA tuned, .177 Beeman R9. I don't know how any air rifle could be more perfect.
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I'm out on the patio with my peep-sighted, John in PA tuned, .177 Beeman R9. I don't know how any air rifle could be more perfect.
I am planning on another break barrel or underlever and it will be a .22 I had a Beeman .20 and I still regret selling it if it had been a .22 I would probably still own it. That is a beautiful extremely well made and accurate rifle.
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Bahhh, dime a dozen.
Here's a dollar, I'll take 100 even, keep the change. :)
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I'm out on the patio with my peep-sighted, John in PA tuned, .177 Beeman R9. I don't know how any air rifle could be more perfect.
If you've used dozens+ of different air rifles/brands, that means a lot. High praise. :)
I've shot at least a couple I've enjoyed more.
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I haven't read most of the posts here, but Tune in a Tube is good stuff. That said, ultimately I have all of my buzzers out to a guy smarter than myself for a full tune.
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Bahhh, dime a dozen.
Here's a dollar, I'll take 100 even, keep the change. :)
A dollar only gets you 10 (dimes), unless I’m missing something?
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To all that replied, I thank you for your interest in my project. The ARH spring arrived and I thought it would be interesting to take some diameter measurements at different lengths as I set the spring. I am hoping to get more insight into the most desirable guide fit.
Thanks again, Mike
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+One with Pasadena Mike. I shot my R-9 with just a scope addition and a trigger adjustment from new in 1990 through 2015 when it started twanging super bad and when I finally took it apart , I found a broken spring. I cleaned it up added a PG2 kit and the new grease and seals that came with it. So the first round was 24 years or so with zero maintenance and the second round is still going strong 10 years later. I really have no idea if it has lost any real power throughout the years, and really don't care. it has slain many plastic army dudes and dinosaurs at 25 yards, and that’s pretty much why I bought it in the first place. I don’t think we have to tune these guns to make them shootable for back yard ranges. I just think like any other sport, we get caught up in it’ seek out ways to find the next level. In 2016 ish I also bought a HW30 urban pro from AOA. Swapped out the scope for a 2x7x32 Hawke Airmax and a trigger adjustment and have been shooting it since then. Other than the linkage points and barrel hinge points I have never lubed it. It twangs a bit, but it sure shoots nice. JMHO
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I've been a R9/HW95 "fan boy" for decades but the first thing I do with a new HW springer is to fit a better aftermarket spring (prefer the ARH solutions) and a home turned tight fitting spring guide to kill twang/vibration plus the ARH springs have lasted longer than the factory springs.
(https://i.imgur.com/F7wjpUL.png)(https://i.imgur.com/GXZl4Hh.jpg)
Here is a pic of loose fitting HW spring guides that allow twang and vibration however the newer HW95 guide was definitely a snugger fit than the older R9 guide............
(https://i.imgur.com/cYHcotm.jpg)
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My custom guides made to fit the spring in use ... have ZERO taper !!
Having the "Chinese finger Trap" effect capture the entire spring within the guide all at once damps the vibrations dead !!!
Do what ever works for you tho is my motto. it's all good stuff 8)
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Same here!
After buying a complete spring kit from ARH and noticed that the guide fit to the spring was REALLY TIGHT but it worked really well without twang or vibration!
When I started cutting my own spring guides I kept the "tight to spring fit" but developed a type of "personal tightness calibration" to give twang/vibration free shot cycle from a "pre-set" spring. I cut my Delrin guides tight enough that they can't be pulled from the spring (the Chinese handcuff effect) without first twisting the spring contrary to the coil wind with a firm pull. If the guide is loose enough to be pulled straight from the spring without needing "twisting while pulling" the shot cycle might have some "felt vibration" even though the "twang" will be gone (IMHO, easier to kill twang than vibration). On the other hand, if the guide to spring fit is so tight that it can't be removed from the spring with a "twist opposite spring wind with firm pull" I consider the fit too tight. I've noticed that if I made the "spring to guide fit" too tight a few of the coils around the guide will still be compressed after the spring is decompressed.
I guessing that the reason HW (and others) use a "looser than optimum" guide fit is to accommodate the inconsistent spring geometry. LOL, I also found that would springs inside diameter vary along it's length and one closed end can be a few thou larger or smaller that the opposite end. It seems to me that this would be problematic for factory assembly unless the guide fit was a bit "sloppy" to accommodate all variations of spring geometry. Also, it's generally considered that "loose fit guides" provide maximum higher velocity which is the number buyers (especially newer buyers) consider a "selling feature".