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Airguns by Make and Model => Diana Airguns => Topic started by: lizzie on September 26, 2011, 09:28:34 PM
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Here's pics of the new 34 I picked up from the PO today. It has a scope mounting system that I've never used before. Is this what is called a UTG mount, or is it something else? Or is UTG a brand name? Is there anything special I need to know about putting a scope on this rifle?
I was pleasantly surprised at the great condition of this gun externally- haven't shot her yet. She looks even better than in the pix I saw which prompted me to buy. The gun looks rarely used. ;D
It's stamped "Made in West Germany" and dated 08 91.
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc435/lizzylouandmetoo/rws34-2.jpg)
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc435/lizzylouandmetoo/rws34.jpg)
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc435/lizzylouandmetoo/rws34-6.jpg)
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc435/lizzylouandmetoo/rws34-5.jpg)
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc435/lizzylouandmetoo/rws34-3.jpg)
(http://i1211.photobucket.com/albums/cc435/lizzylouandmetoo/rws34-4.jpg)
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To Me that looks like a riser for a bigger scope...But I could be wrong.
He should Know http://www.airscopes.com/ (http://www.airscopes.com/) ...he is a member here.
Rob
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Thanks Rob- I'm fairly scope-ignorant. :)
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sorry ,i don't know about the scope mount, maybe its as old as the gun. i'm not sure that is a manufacturing date though. maybe some sort of other proof mark.....mine has no date. . i bought it in 1990 and it says "made in Germany" no date, but west germany became germany in 1990 so your's probably pre-dates that unless it was older parts being used up(common).
no matter what though, its a great gun. good luck picking a scope. lots of choices and lots of scope snobbery , i'm in the process of getting my first, i dont like them.
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Well, it looks like either *08 91* or *08 81*, but I don't think RWS and Diana had merged at that point, had they? It appears to be a manufacturing date stamp, as it is in the same place as the one on my late 70's 35, with smaller date stamping than the country of origin stamp.
As for scopes- I'm no scope snob at all. I came across an old Bushnell that I may try on it, which was likely made around the same time as the gun- maybe a little older. From what I understand, the Bushnell's hold up well to the recoil of springers. If this one doesn't, I'll prob just buy a Leapers.
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where is the # stamped? maybe i just cant see the darn thing.
i been looking around the web and found a lot of people had *07 07* even though some guns were bought before 07 and after 07.
i was hoping to find a place where we could look up the serial # but haven't found it.
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In the third picture down, you should be able to faintly see where "Made in West Germany" is stamped. The date stamp is to the right of that- right above the space where wood meets steel- it's very small and I have to use a magnifying glass to see it, and even then, it's hard to tell for sure what the numbers are, lol.
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This gun reminds me so much of my old 35 that it's just uncanny. :D I'm anxious to see if it shoots the same and is such fun. :)
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found it! 08 93 above the trigger. since i know i bought it in 1990 i will assume these are not date of manufacture
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Wow- I'm surprised! I wonder what it is then? I've been told that on the older Dianas, it's a date stamp.
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when you decide on a scope let me know, i have to put one one mine unless i sell it, havent decided if i'll keep it yet...i think if i let it go i may be sorry though
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maybe it is on the older ones
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maybe it is on the older ones
Maybe they had expiration dates. :D
Does your rifle have the Diana logo?
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That looks like the base (but the rings are missing) of an older style RWS C-mount.
Nathan
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Diana and RWS never merged. The rifles are manufactured by Diana Meyer & Grammelspacher GmbH. (Dynamit Nobel) RWS is a chemical and weapons company that exports/markets the Diana line.
Nathan
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Congrats on the arrival of your new 34. I'm surprised you could resist the temptation to not fire any test shots, even without a scope or iron sights. I know I would have tried it out and just fired just by looking down the barrel. I definitely like the looks of the older Diana guns. Its too bad it doesn't seem to have the sights with it, but having a scope mount already is definitely a plus. Looking forward to your future reviews and experiences with it. I think you are going to have a blast! :D
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Thanks HNT5 for the information and correction about the history of RWS/Diana. I thought that since they have their name stamped on the guns, they were involved in the manufacturing process.
I guess if the rings are missing from the mount (assuming it's not something that is universally available), I need to remove this mount and just go with a one-piece mount? Is that what you guys would tend to do?
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That looks like an earlier version of the C-mount from the brass colored inserts. Finding the correct rings could be an issue. I would just take it off (you can hold on to it if you'd like maybe some one will be looking for one on the classifieds one day )and use the UTG base.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-scope-mount-base-fits-rws-diana-34-36-38-45-with-to5-trigger?a=2298 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-scope-mount-base-fits-rws-diana-34-36-38-45-with-to5-trigger?a=2298)
That will compensate for any barrel droop that I'm sure your older M34 will have. Get some MEDIUM (not high) height Weaver rings or it may put you in an uncomfortable "heads up" shooting position, by virtue of the lowish cheek piece. I have used the Weaver medium mounts available @ Wal-Mart for ~$8 with good results. I wouldn't worry about the scope objective clearing, the UTG base + medium rings will give you plenty of clearence for scopes past 44mm.
Nathan
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This is a droop compensated scope mount for the RWS34, some call it a canted weaver/picatinny rail. Since most scopes don't have enough elevation to compensate for the barrel droop on most 34's. I use one on my 34 and it works great. Of course you need Weaver/picatinny scope rings to mount your scope onto this weaver style scope mount.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-scope-mount-base-fits-rws-diana-34-36-38-45-with-to5-trigger?a=2298 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-scope-mount-base-fits-rws-diana-34-36-38-45-with-to5-trigger?a=2298)
Any scope rings that mounts to weaver/picatinny base should work, I use the weaver top mount, detachable rings http://swfa.com/Weaver-Detachable-Top-Mount-30mm-Rings-P10408.aspx (http://swfa.com/Weaver-Detachable-Top-Mount-30mm-Rings-P10408.aspx) They are the lowest rings available and have the lowest profile available.
If you use the UTG 11mm to weaver/picatinny rail, will need to use a low height scope ring to keep the scope from being to high for a good cheek weld.
The stop pin hole is too shallow and will wallow out, I suggest you drill it to a deeper dept if you go that route!. The big screw head is not a stop, if you brace 11mm dovetail rings against it, they will simply knock the screw head off of the rifle.
There's lots a good choice's for mounting a scope to your 34, do some research and use a good stop or your scope will move every shot.
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This is a droop compensated scope mount for the RWS34, some call it a canted weaver/picatinny rail. Since most scopes don't have enough elevation to compensate for the barrel droop on most 34's. I use one on my 34 and it works great. Of course you need Weaver/picatinny scope rings to mount your scope onto this weaver style scope mount.
Can you post a pic of yours so that I can see how it works? (or pm me one?)
Thanks!
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This is a droop compensated scope mount for the RWS34, some call it a canted weaver/picatinny rail. Since most scopes don't have enough elevation to compensate for the barrel droop on most 34's. I use one on my 34 and it works great. Of course you need Weaver/picatinny scope rings to mount your scope onto this weaver style scope mount.
Can you post a pic of yours so that I can see how it works? (or pm me one?)
Thanks!
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I don't have a camera or access, so I can't post a picture of my 34! I did find a picture of a very similar UTG non-canted 11mm to weaver adapter https://www.pyramydair.com/ (https://www.pyramydair.com/) and a post here on the GTA http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=10087.0;prev_next=next (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=10087.0;prev_next=next) for pictures.
As I said these are similar and look much the same as the canted RWS 34 UTG model, being canted, the scopes eyepiece will be higher than the objective will be lower (canted). Just like the barrel on most 34's, the muzzle being lower than the breech, thus the scope is parallel to the bore when using the UTG RWS 34 11mm to weaver adapter.
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Thanks Condor22!
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Lizzie, what a lovely old 34! 1991, given the "flip switch" safety, (as Warren, aka "PostalCarrier" has dubbed them. I'll bet it has the pre-T01 trigger, too. Very, very nice, that one. I is jealous.
PS - The 34 came out circa 1984/85 from what I recall. Diana used the month/year (mm dd) stamping on the compression tube starting in the late 60's up until recently when it has been changed slightly. No more nailing it down. :-( Most Diana owners use this as the build date. (At least for the compression tube.)
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Thanks Red. ;D
I shot her a few times today- no scope or sights, but just an aim down the barrel (and yes, I hit the target :D ). I wouldn't be surprised, with the way it shoots, if it was never even broken in. It feels and shoots like a brand new gun. :) And btw, it certainly has some zip. :D
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Very Very nice looking....congrats! t01...nice
Here's a comparative view of my 'later version' t05 MPC 34..it uses the RWS lockdown droop compensator mount...still sisters....or is that brothers?
http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb340/escondido12/IMG00138-20110820-1313.jpg (http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb340/escondido12/IMG00138-20110820-1313.jpg)
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Wow Escondido1- very nice! Thanks for posting. :)
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Lizzie,
In response to a partial question in your original posting here; UTG is a brand name and I believe is fairly new. It is tied up with Leapers in some way I do not quite understand. I have ordered scopes and mounts advertised as UTG and received a Leapers product and vice versa. They seem to have the same products with the same specs but I cannot quite get the jist of it all. Duuuuuh!
Maybe it's like the relationship between RWS and Diana. Can anyone possibly enlighten us on this?
pappa
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Thanks pappa! :)
I've been thinking that UTG was a type of mounting system, lol.
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UTG is a Leapers trademark according to Leapers Inc. http://www.leapers.com/ (http://www.leapers.com/) read on right side column, down the column, beside the Alert says 'UTG is one of Leapers’ trademarks.'
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lizzy, heard from umarex today. the only explanation they had for my gun being marked 93 was that it was a mistake. those ARE in fact manufacture dates. i asked about made in west germany and as i thought. the may have just used the W.G. parts well into the 1990s on some guns.
she suggested mine was made in 88....in all honesty it could be...but when i asked about the made in germany on an '88 she was at a loss.
well so there you have it. another mystery kinda sorta solved.
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Wow Steve- thank you so much for going to all that trouble. That's great information to have, and some things are interesting with a little mystery involved. :)
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the plot thickens ....and perhaps solved... back in 94 or 95 or so i sent my 34 in for service, i don't remember what was wrong. MAYBE they replaced the compression tube. giving me back my original barrel ,sights ,trigger,stock, and i just thought they replaced the spring. THAT would explain why my 1990 is stamped 93...never know for sure.
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Wow- I'll bet you're right. It may very well have been easier for them to just slap a new tube on there rather than replacing the spring.
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i love the simple design of the old 34's. i especially wish they'd bring back the sights. i like the plain jane, steel, hooded front sight. rugged, simple, and functional. i wonder who's idea it was to slap these big, fat "fiberoptic" front sights on everything
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i love the simple design of the old 34's. i especially wish they'd bring back the sights. i like the plain jane, steel, hooded front sight. rugged, simple, and functional. i wonder who's idea it was to slap these big, fat "fiberoptic" front sights on everything
I don't know who it was, but I'll bet it had something to do with making it cheaper to manufacture. ;)
I like the simplicity of the 34's as well. They are kind of the "Plain Jane" of the air rifles that I am familiar with, but they seem well-built and sleek. I was a little surprised at the length of this one, never having seen a 34 in person before. It's longer than my 435 and the FWB, but it doesn't seem to be any heavier, or at least there's not an appreciable difference when holding it.
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UTG is a Leapers trademark according to Leapers Inc. http://www.leapers.com/ (http://www.leapers.com/) read on right side column, down the column, beside the Alert says 'UTG is one of Leapers’ trademarks.'
;)
Thanks condor22 for clearing my mind, and probably a lot of others, on this.