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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Kyle Hawkins on April 26, 2021, 11:47:29 AM
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Hello all,
Situation - I plan to call Crossman today with hopes of ordering a LW Marauder .22 barrel. I would like you help/ assistance with locating a part number for a LW barrel.
Background - I have a 2014 model Benjamin Marauder Synthetic .22 (model# 2264S). It was during this time period that the barrels conking from Crossman were not all that great. The rifle was tuned and tinkered with until ammo prices fell then I switched back to firearms and it has sat for a few years. With the recent increase in ammo prices I have switched back to air rifles for practice. I just purchased and installed a full regulated Hill Airgun kit and am far more than impressed. I’m pushing JSB 15.89gr pellets at 890fps for 74 shots. The only thing left to gain is accuracy. About 2.5in at 40yds with multiple pellets is the best I can achieve. Scope is securely mounted, off of a bipod and rear squeeze bag, no wind. A few years ago I should have purchased a MMHF barrel or any of the other options but I did not...and they are no longer an option.
I now understand the Crossman barrels of these days are far better than past. Something to do with a NASA engineer. My research finds that a replacement .22 Marauder Barrel is part number (2264-001).
Does anyone know if I order this part number, if it will be one of the newly manufactured barrels, with better quality and accuracy?
My research also shows that the Marauder that comes with a factory LW barrel is model number (2264LW). I can not find a schematic for that rifle, does anyone have any information that could help me locate a part number for that barrel to order?
Thank you,
Kyle
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You will find the new crossman marauder 22 barrels shoot amazing. Crossman is making them in house.
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This page suggest that Croman do not sell the LW barrels: https://help.crosman.com/can-i-order-parts-from-the-custom-shop (https://help.crosman.com/can-i-order-parts-from-the-custom-shop)
You could phone them and try to order by quoting the part number anyway...
Else, Mountain Custom Airguns will make you a LW barrel at non-standard length if you like: http://mountainaircustomairguns.com/faq/ (http://mountainaircustomairguns.com/faq/)
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Another possibility, although remote: https://www.crosman.com/service-centers (https://www.crosman.com/service-centers)
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Today may just be my luckiest of days!
I called Crossman and experienced great customer service as always have with them on the phone. Ordered a few parts I was in need of. Then stated how I was having a hard time finding a schematic for a BP2264LS (LW equipped Marauder .22), which is nothing but the honest truth. Within a few moments he helped locate the barrel reference and order is placed. Unaware of part number but it was about $96. Totally worth it I feel.
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$96 for a purpose machined LW barrel sound like a heck of a good deal!
LW blanks from the US rep cost more than that: https://www.lothar-walther.com/gun-barrel-blanks/airgun-barrels/standard-profile-with-choke/41/airgun-blank-choked-twist-17.7.22-air-od.47-l-23.82-precision-rifle-steel-tube?c=273 (https://www.lothar-walther.com/gun-barrel-blanks/airgun-barrels/standard-profile-with-choke/41/airgun-blank-choked-twist-17.7.22-air-od.47-l-23.82-precision-rifle-steel-tube?c=273)
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Pyramydair difference for .22 marauder with crosman barrel and LW barrel is about $80.. I was going to order a LW barrel for my .22 Marauder and was advised by a couple GTA members that the accuracy was not all that different between the two. Anyway, I went a different route with that advise and ordered two of Crosman .22 barrels to keep the one out of three that grouped the Crosman Walmart pellets the best. Maybe I got lucky but got a keeper barrel that is capable of grouping CPH about 1/2" at 50 yrds (yes a few 1.5" flyers now and again) but even hole on hole regularly. Didn't try other pellets cause cheapo shooting was the objective. Anyway, the Crosman barrels were under $40 each so instead of finding a pellet for the barrel, I found the barrel for the pellet...lol Good luck with the LW and when you get it, let us know how it compares..
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Pyramydair difference for .22 marauder with crosman barrel and LW barrel is about $80.. I was going to order a LW barrel for my .22 Marauder and was advised by a couple GTA members that the accuracy was not all that different between the two. Anyway, I went a different route with that advise and ordered a two of Crosman .22 barrels to keep the one out of three that grouped the Crosman Walmart pellets the best. Maybe I got lucky but got a keeper barrel that is capable of grouping CPH about 1/2" at 50 yrds even hole on hole regularly. Didn't try other pellets cause cheapo shooting was the objective. Anyway, the Crosman barrels were under $40 each so instead of finding a pellet for the barrel, I found the barrel for the pellet...lol Good luck with the LW and when you get it, let us know how it compares..
I’m glad your Crossman barrels worked out great for you. However my original problem was the older Crossman .22 barrels and their less than desirable accuracy/ repeatability. So placed in the boat of seeking a new barrel with Crossmans updated barrel making practices, I’m glad I spent the $96 on a drop in ready LW vs spending $40 on a Crossman barrel and hoping it’s a shooter. I’ll update with results ASAP.
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I’m glad your Crossman barrels worked out great for you. However my original problem was the older Crossman .22 barrels and their less than desirable accuracy/ repeatability. So placed in the boat of seeking a new barrel with Crossmans updated barrel making practices, I’m glad I spent the $96 on a drop in ready LW vs spending $40 on a Crossman barrel and hoping it’s a shooter. I’ll update with results ASAP.
Crosman bought all new barrel machining equipment in mid 2018, along with bringing the .25 machining in-house from Green Mountain, and a new overseeing engineer. That brought the .22 back up to snuff, from real accounts by shooters, but don't blame you one bit stepping up to a LW barrel anyway.
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So a new loop in the plan I was not expecting. I placed my original order for the .22 Marauder LW barrel along with 3 breech o rings. For the 3 breech o ring I used the standard marauder schematic which listed part number (1761A023). Some more research reveals quite a few of the factory LW components are listed at (MR-***) part numbers. A vague schematic I found here on the forum states a .22 match breech o ring assembly is part (MR-006).
Does anyone have experience in the Crossman LW vs standard barrels enough to know if they really require a different breech o ring?
If my thought process is correct, the bolt OD is the same diameter, so as long as it seals off to the bolt and isn’t too loose inside the breech it should work correct?
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Don't know what might be different about O-rings or O-ting grooves in the barrel. But, I agree that if the bolt used is the same, then the effective seal at either O-ring should be functionally similar.
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F. Y. I. Don't overtighten the two set screws that hold the barrel in the receiver, and don't overtighten the shroud mount set screw. Don't ask me how I know this.
Hunter
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To update all,
Since this is slightly undocumented territory, not too many cases have been shared of calling Crosman and ordering a LW marauder barrel. And since the schematics for these LW builds are apparently undiscoverable...
I have learned that the breaches, barrels and specific components all start with part number (MR-***)
The barrels use the same breeches and breach orings as a regular marauder for that caliber.
To upgrade to a .22 picatiny style breech is $49.
Will document more as parts arrive and upgrade is complete.
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Crosman's part prices seem quite reasonable. I am sure that is one reason why their airguns are so popular.
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Good luck with your new LW barrel. I have two of them and they are very accurate.
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It looks like mountainaircustomairguns.com (http://mountainaircustomairguns.com/faq/) may be an option for LW or a hammer forged drop-in. You may give them a call. I don't know anything about them.
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It looks like may be an option for LW or a hammer forged drop-in. You may give them a call. I don't know anything about them.
Thank you. But at $235 for a MAC LW .22 vs $96 for a Crosman LW .22. I think I’ll try the Crosman first. Both drop in ready.
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It looks like may be an option for LW or a hammer forged drop-in. You may give them a call. I don't know anything about them.
Thank you. But at $235 for a MAC LW .22 vs $96 for a Crosman LW .22. I think I’ll try the Crosman first. Both drop in ready.
Wishing you the best results. Keep us posted. FWIW, $235 is about right for blank and custom labor for drop-in ready.
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I have a sweet .177 LW barrel from Roy at Mountain air. But I actually have 2 of the Crosman LW barrels. I have one on a marauder and one on a fortitude. Both very accurate.
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So did you get the new LW barrel up and running? Would like to know how you like it..
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Kyle,
How is the new barrel working for you?
Hunter
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When I converted my .177 to .22 I picked up the LW & Crosman barrels. Installed the Crosman barrel & it’s a great barrel. I shoot the plain ol’ Cpdm’s out of it. Shoots good enough I didn’t worry with putting the LW barrel in it, it’s sitting in my closet. Here’s a couple of targets setup with the BStaley mod running 19-20fpe.
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I love LW barrels, but I found that if you Re-crown the original barrel it will shoot more accurately, I did it to mine and now it shoots as good as my LW barreled Marauder rifle and my HW100's, if your barrel is too worn, just get a new stock barrel and re-crown it, factory crown is not that good, it would be cheaper and really easy to do.
check out this video
https://youtu.be/5Y9fr-3Wy5M
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Good shooting Whatsquirrel !
Hunter
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Finally a solid update!
So while I had placed the order for the new barrel back when this topic was originally posted… it has taken until now for that barrel to finally ship. I received my first shipment of miscellaneous ordered parts rather quickly. After multiple months of phone calls and being told “the product is backordered” I have just received an email, shy of 1am that it is being shipped. I have already conducted testing on group sizes with multiple types of ammo on the original barrel. Stay tuned for future updates along with accuracy of the new barrel and the same pellets previously tested in a head to head showdown.
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With your present barrel, when you push the bolt forward to load the pellet, is it smooth or feels notchy ?
Lot of times the burr on the transfer port catches on the pellet and shaves it or skews its alignment axially.
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With your present barrel, when you push the bolt forward to load the pellet, is it smooth or feels notchy ?
Lot of times the burr on the transfer port catches on the pellet and shaves it or skews its alignment axially.
That is not the problem with this barrel. This barrel comes from 2014 when they were known to have poor QC. Even new the barrel has never had a problem with the TP area or the throat hanging up. I have also installed the full Tim Hill regulated matched parts kit. Meaning that I have also drilled and reamed the TP for more flow on this barrel. I know for a fact the TP has no burrs or abnormalities.
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New barrel just arrived, first glance it does look pretty good. A quick wipe down removed a light amount of surface rust and a quick swab down the bore removed a pretty decent amount of likely dust and small debris. Overall impressed by first glance, rifling looks great. A .22 CPHP loads nicely in the breech and is also too tight to drop freely down the muzzle end, without taking measurement it does appear to have a moderate choke. Give me a little bit if time and I will post all findings including pre and post groups/ velocity changes in the same tune. Again it will take me a little bit of time, as we are getting used to a new schedule at the house, my 2 week old son dominates all free time lol.
Thank you,
Kyle
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I may have missed it, but can you please update the thread on which new barrel you are working with? I am thinking a Crosman of some sort with you mentioning waiting on parts in one post. Thanks!
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I may have missed it, but can you please update the thread on which new barrel you are working with? I am thinking a Crosman of some sort with you mentioning waiting on parts in one post. Thanks!
Today may just be my luckiest of days!
I called Crossman and experienced great customer service as always have with them on the phone. Ordered a few parts I was in need of. Then stated how I was having a hard time finding a schematic for a BP2264LS (LW equipped Marauder .22), which is nothing but the honest truth. Within a few moments he helped locate the barrel reference and order is placed. Unaware of part number but it was about $96. Totally worth it I feel.
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I may have missed it, but can you please update the thread on which new barrel you are working with? I am thinking a Crosman of some sort with you mentioning waiting on parts in one post. Thanks!
Today may just be my luckiest of days!
I called Crossman and experienced great customer service as always have with them on the phone. Ordered a few parts I was in need of. Then stated how I was having a hard time finding a schematic for a BP2264LS (LW equipped Marauder .22), which is nothing but the honest truth. Within a few moments he helped locate the barrel reference and order is placed. Unaware of part number but it was about $96. Totally worth it I feel.
Thanks! Yes, I missed that post, but read the rest, lol. It will be interesting to see how a .22 LW Marauder drop in barrel performs.
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did you push any pellets through the new barrel with a dowel or carbon fiber rod to see how they feel from breech to crown ?
dont use a metal rod or it will scratch the barrel.
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Crosman is A+ on parts and prices. Great price on a pic breach too!
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It’s been a while since your last update, Kyle.
How did the install of the LW barrel go and how’s the performance compare to the old barrel? Were any modifications needed on the old breech for the new LW barrel to fit or did it just slide in? Also, we’re you ever able to find the Crosman part number for the .22 LW barrel?
Thanks!
Matt
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I intended: “Also, were you ever able…”
and not:
“Also, we’re you ever able…”
Sorry.